Cameron tells conference "Britain needs a bold and fair government - they need us" - Polidicks

[B]The government needs to take "tough and bold action" to make Britain "stronger and fairer", David Cameron has told the Conservative Party spring conference. [/B]He told the gathering in London that compassion meant taking long-term decisions "that will really change our country for the better". The PM said[B] it would have been easier not to address an "invisible crisis" in the National Health Service[/B] in England. "We could have just protected the NHS from the cuts, as we have, we could have just put in the extra £12.5bn, as we have, and we could have just left it there. "That would have been easy, but it would have been wrong, because sooner or later the cracks would have started to show; the queues would have grown, patients would have been let down. [B]So, frankly, I don't care about taking a bit of a hit on this issue. [/B]"Mr Cameron said the government was building on work that had been started by the Labour Party "because they, too, knew that we had to modernise our NHS". He sought to reassure party activists over the issue, saying that the NHS was "[B]in the party's DNA and that's not going to change[/B]".The prime minister said that the government was making cuts because [B]the Conservative Party cared about Britain[/B].[B] "It is only by taking tough and bold action that we will make our country stronger and fairer,[/B]" he said."That is what I want this party to be about and what I want this government to be about." Carole Walker says Mr Cameron was defending decisions he knew had been far from popular, telling activists "[B]when you've inherited the largest deficit in the country's peacetime history you can't just pick off the low hanging fruit and prune back a little here or a little there. You've got to look at the big items[/B]". Mr Cameron also urged party members to help Boris Johnson win another term as the mayor of London, describing him as "a brilliant mayor of the best city on earth". Mr Johnson later told the conference that voters in London would have to [B]choose between modernisation or a return to the "irresponsible and unaffordable approach of 1970s Labour". [/B]"Do you want to let Livingstone in and take London backwards?" Mr Johnson asked. "Or do you want to go forwards and another four years of sensible, moderate, [B]no-nonsense, Conservative administration in London[/B]?Mr Livingstone has pledged to cut transport fares by 7% if he is elected. He has also said he would reinstate the Education Maintenance Allowance in the capital. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17245193[/URL]

Stronger and fairer, yes. Are the Tories fair? No Are the Lib Dems strong? No

[QUOTE=SataniX;34974526]Stronger and fairer, yes. Are the Tories fair? No Are the Lib Dems strong? No[/QUOTE] But they're stupid and egoistic enough to think the opposite.

the UK needs the conservatives like I need a railroad spike through my neck

Tories, fair? Hilarious.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;34974539]the UK needs the conservatives like I need a railroad spike through my neck[/QUOTE] Living under conservatives in the UK will make that a reality. Enjoy the hospital waiting lists.

[QUOTE=ContagV2;34974567]Living under conservatives in the UK will make that a reality. Enjoy the hospital waiting lists.[/QUOTE] Enjoy your free hospitals.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;34974723]Enjoy your free hospitals.[/QUOTE] I do. Thank you.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;34974723]Enjoy your free hospitals.[/QUOTE] The Tories are trying to privatise the NHS. So no more free hospitals.

Aren't your Tories the rough equivalent to our Republicans?

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34975073]Aren't your Tories the rough equivalent to our Republicans?[/QUOTE] Yep, sort of. Our Conservatives aren't usually as extreme or nuts as your Republicans though.

Tories? fair? [img]http://www.conventionofassassins.org/blog/postingImages/haddockLaughing.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34975073]Aren't your Tories the rough equivalent to our Republicans?[/QUOTE] Everyone's more centrist and generally socially liberal, to a degree Seems like a fairly obvious speech; we're deep in shit, we've got to cut the deficit so we don't get any deeper in the shit. Johnson's done a good job and that's worth noting. I don't agree with the conservative platform in general, but they're the party taking us out of the recession, no doubt

[QUOTE=DaveP;34975163]Everyone's more centrist and generally socially liberal, to a degree Seems like a fairly obvious speech; we're deep in shit, we've got to cut the deficit so we don't get any deeper in the shit. Johnson's done a good job and that's worth noting. I don't agree with the conservative platform in general, but they're the party taking us out of the recession, no doubt[/QUOTE]Yes, but I mean that they are the conservative party of your government.

David Cameron can go suck on a door knob.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34975073]Aren't your Tories the rough equivalent to our Republicans?[/QUOTE] Oh god no, the Conservatives are nobheads but they're far saner than the republicans. [editline]3rd March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Doozle;34975138]Tories? fair? [img]http://www.conventionofassassins.org/blog/postingImages/haddockLaughing.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] They are fair To the rich that is

[QUOTE=ContagV2;34974567]Living under conservatives in the UK[/QUOTE] This is the problem with British politics. The party system is flawed in the way it's currently run. Instead of government working like one large [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendum]referendum[/url] it instead works as one large crock-pot of social sectors. For it to work in a fully democratic manner there need to be methods and laws put in place to stop serious [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion]coercion[/url] of Members of Parliament with the sole purpose of solidifying the seat for a certain political party. Things such as [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whip_(politics)]whips[/url] and infractions for Members of Parliament who vote against their parties rules are unjust and should not be in place. This is tough on the politicians involved in defying the whip (and similar) because they are funded (often directly) by the political party they stand for and risk losing their job and income. The really awful thing is that the point of a Member of Parliament is that they're meant to be the elected head of a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_bloc#Voting_as_a_block]voting block[/url] and therefore put that voting blocks majority opinion across, which instead turns into the parties opinion. Voting blocks are nothing more than positions to be fought over by parties, strategically and sickeningly obviously. See this chart below* for example. For those unaware it goes as follows: Blue = Conservative (Tories) Red = Labour Yellow = Liberal Democrats (Lib Dems) [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/DotmY.jpg[/thumb] [i]*Not sure where this is sourced from, don't quote me etc[/i] Obviously in this election (unsure of image date, presumably latest election) the Conservatives came out with more seats (voting blocks) than any other party however the trend is very obvious. The Conservatives concentrate their efforts down in the South while Labour concentrate their efforts in the North (North East/West being the most obvious here). Often the Conservatives will not even find someone who lives within the voting block to stand for a seat up in the North, for example in my constituency the conservative runner actually lived in London and had barely any ties to the North East at all. Why did he run for election? Because if he had won the seat the Conservatives would have had another puppet on their strings. The Liberal Democrats, previously thought to be a definite third place party, barely winning many seats in previous years, have obviously won a fairly large amount in this image compared to previous years. Their efforts are mainly within the North, Scotland and some Southern seats such as the South West (Cornwall etc). What this is clearly (or I'm trying to?) shows is that political parties have favored 'zones' and will put little to no effort securing the areas that they know don't like them. This is not necessarilly the problem, the problem is the fact that this is a known ideology and instead of people voting based on the specific politicians opinions they will vote based on the political party. What does this mean? It basically means that instead of voting for a man or woman who will be good for the voting block they are voting because they know that the government will whip them into shape regardless, and that if a Member of Parliament is voted into power they must be part of the winning (overall majority) party to actually have much of a say in things. This is the stupid part, the fact that this democratic society has become one of 3 major parties that have entrenched views and ideologies which are very unlikely to change in the coming years. Not entirely sure where I was going with this post, but I'm sure you'll agree that the way the government currently runs is an utter joke, the parties are nothing but checkpoints for views and opinions and unless you agree to their overall mandate you won't have a job. Fuck all the political parties, the politicians themselves are another matter altogether. You can say [i]"Fuck politicians"[/i] but at the end of the day it's the system in place that is the fault, which realistically is in the hands of the people not the politicians. tl;dr Governments shouldn't be run on a political party ideology but instead a Member of Parliament one. More needs to be done to hand the power down to the people and not the pricks. -- [i]Holy fuck I look geeky. College paid off eh?[/i]

[QUOTE=Clunj;34975420] [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/DotmY.jpg[/thumb] [i]*Not sure where this is sourced from, don't quote me etc[/i][/QUOTE] It's the 2010 election results one [img]http://i40.tinypic.com/35btv29.png[/img]

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;34974747]The Tories are trying to privatise the NHS. So no more free hospitals.[/QUOTE] It's not at all accurate to say they're trying to private the NHS or get rid of free healthcare Any government that did either of those things would be lucky to even make it to the next election before getting thrown out in a landslide

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;34974747]The Tories are trying to privatise the NHS. So no more free hospitals.[/QUOTE] No. What's actually happening is that they have removed the PCT's in an attempt to minimise bureaucracy and give GP's more control. The idea is that the GP's can carry on doing on their normal job whilst having the power to make the decisions the PCT would normally deal with. This cuts out a whole organisation that was essentially doing nothing. Unfortunately the idea isn't quite flawless, as the Tories haven't taken into account that a GP can't do two jobs at full efficiency in the same space of time. However, to say that the Tories are trying to make people pay for the NHS is retarded. Both themselves and the population know that doing this would lead to massive levels of dissent among the population - and it would be monumentally worse than the Lib Dem tuition fees fuck-up. [QUOTE=DaveP;34975163]Everyone's more centrist and generally socially liberal, to a degree Seems like a fairly obvious speech; we're deep in shit, we've got to cut the deficit so we don't get any deeper in the shit. Johnson's done a good job and that's worth noting. I don't agree with the conservative platform in general, but they're the party taking us out of the recession, no doubt[/QUOTE] Pretty much this. Admittedly I am more biased as I am Conservative, but I can't really see how people can criticise the government's defecit reduction methods when they are actually working.

Something I notice with all of Cameron's addresses is the emphasis on cuts (which always seem to affect "everyone" i.e pensions, VAT etc) but he doesn't seem to ever mention [i]making[/i] money (although I haven't kept as up to date with him as I should). Although it has had its heart torn out over the last few decades and doesn't often get a mention, we have some very good scientists and engineers. If he made a push to get some entrepreneurs to set up some companies in IT, robotics and power, we could start actually generating wealth again.

[QUOTE=QwertySecond;34975909]Something I notice with all of Cameron's addresses is the emphasis on cuts (which always seem to affect "everyone" i.e pensions, VAT etc) but he doesn't seem to ever mention [i]making[/i] money (although I haven't kept as up to date with him as I should). Although it has had its heart torn out over the last few decades and doesn't often get a mention, we have some very good scientists and engineers. If he made a push to get some entrepreneurs to set up some companies in IT, robotics and power, we could start actually generating wealth again.[/QUOTE] One thing that's pissing me off about the current government (no, I don't agree with them on everything) is that they are outsourcing so much industry to other countries. The latest example being that they awarded a contract of some sort to a foreign defense contractor over BAE Systems. And they wonder why companies are going bust and people can't find work?

We need UKIP. It's run by a guy who was conservative and then just realized how fucking stupid they are and left. Also has Lib Dems and Labour people in there too.

[QUOTE=David29;34975956]One thing that's pissing me off about the current government (no, I don't agree with them on everything) is that they are outsourcing so much industry to other countries. The latest example being that they awarded a contract of some sort to a foreign defense contractor over BAE Systems. And they wonder why companies are going bust and people can't find work?[/QUOTE] I've heard he did the same thing with all the windfarms we've been putting up. Seems bizarre that, with money being scarce, he's getting rid of more of it.

[QUOTE=Elfy;34976196]We need UKIP. It's run by a guy who was conservative and then just realized how fucking stupid they are and left. Also has Lib Dems and Labour people in there too.[/QUOTE] and Germany needs the Nazi party

[QUOTE=BrainDeath;34976945]and Germany needs the Nazi party[/QUOTE] How is UKIP anything like the Nazi party?

[QUOTE=matt.ant;34975548]It's the 2010 election results one [img]http://i40.tinypic.com/35btv29.png[/img][/QUOTE] I remember the optimism me and my classmates shared as we watched those results came up, hoping for a burst of orange. Alas, instead we were engulfed by a tory tidal wave. (Actually my school's constituency is one of those tiny patches of liberal democrat in the south-west. I JUST live in the tory constituency to the north. The lib dem MP is an absolute legend, which is probably why he held it. The Tory one is a pompous tosser.)

The Conservatives can't seem to go one speech without mentioning how bad Labour was. I know it's par for the course in politics, but it's boring to hear it over and over again; I'd like to hear them justify and discuss their policies more, not fill in extra time with slagging off those of their predecessors. Merely proving the other guy wrong doesn't make you right.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;34977572]The Conservatives can't seem to go one speech without mentioning how bad Labour was. I know it's par for the course in politics, but it's boring to hear it over and over again; I'd like to hear them justify and discuss their policies more, not fill in extra time with slagging off those of their predecessors. Merely proving the other guy wrong doesn't make you right.[/QUOTE] We'll stop bitching about Brown when everyone stops bitching about Thatcher.

[QUOTE=Mythman;34975108]Yep, sort of. Our Conservatives aren't usually as extreme or nuts as your Republicans though.[/QUOTE] Conservative and republican isn't interchangeable anymore like it was a long time ago, at least in America. The only thing republicans are over here anymore is socially conservative.