Teen girls plead not guilty in Slender Man stabbing case - Polidicks

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/21/teen-girls-plead-not-guilty-in-slender-man-stabbing-case/?intcmp=hplnws[/url] [quote] Two 13-year-old Wisconsin girls accused of luring their friend into some woods to repeatedly stab her as a sacrifice to a fictitious horror character pleaded not guilty Friday. The teens from the Milwaukee suburb of Waukesha are being tried as adults and face decades in prison if they are convicted in the 2014 attack. A judge entered not guilty pleas on behalf of both girls at a brief arraignment hearing Friday. [/quote]

Walk 300 miles? Not guilty for stabbing a friend 19 times. Dream big.

I'm sure this is a lawyer decision. They probably weren't offered a plea deal, so their lawyers advised them to plead not guilty in hopes of getting an insanity plea or a better sentence. I wouldn't think it's necessarily a reflection of character or mental status, the actions that got them here are plenty evidence of that.

Hopefully they are tried as adults. If they get dumped in juvie they'll just come out at 18 and be the same.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48512154]Hopefully they are tried as adults. If they get dumped in juvie they'll just come out at 18 and be the same.[/QUOTE] That's a pretty ridiculous approach. Are you assuming that these girls can't possibly be helped and just need to be dumped into a cage forever?

[QUOTE=Explosions;48512264]That's a pretty ridiculous approach. Are you assuming that these girls can't possibly be helped and just need to be dumped into a cage forever?[/QUOTE] Honestly, I don't think so.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48512154]Hopefully they are tried as adults. If they get dumped in juvie they'll just come out at 18 and be the same.[/QUOTE] Yeah fucking insane people wanting help and rehabilitation all the time what the fuck is wrong with them

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48512274]Honestly, I don't think so.[/QUOTE] I'm curious as to how you've come to this conclusion. What is it based on? You're assuming that the girls are guilty in the first place and unless you have some unstated special sources, the only information you have about the incident is things you read or heard on the news or from someone else you talked to. What a professional criminal analysis you've made!

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;48512351]fucking hell this ''REHABILITATION'' circlejerk is awful[/QUOTE] so is the circlejerk of people who want to throw 13 year old girls in the slammer for life

If they're so stupid they "obey commands" that a non-existant video game character gives them they sorta deserve the shit because of how incredibly foolish they are.

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;48512421]If they're so stupid they "obey commands" that a non-existant video game character gives them they sorta deserve the shit because of how incredibly foolish they are.[/QUOTE] Well they do say kids are impressionable. I honestly think their mental health is in question here. Rehabilitation may not be wholly effective at this point in time.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;48512351]fucking hell this ''REHABILITATION'' circlejerk is awful[/QUOTE] Yeah how dare people want to actually solve problems and not support useless vindictive punishment.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;48512351]fucking hell this ''REHABILITATION'' circlejerk is awful[/QUOTE] What, you mean the people wanting prisoners and/or perpetrators of violent crime to be rehabilitated instead of locked away from society, eating up resources?

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;48512351]fucking hell this ''REHABILITATION'' circlejerk is awful[/QUOTE] Yeah, imagine caring about the well being of people. In fact, they shouldn't even get a trial. Or a lawyer to represent them. Let's throw them in a oubliette and forget about them.

Because rehab in U.S. is so effective... They will not be rehabbed, at least not under current system. [editline]21st August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Aldawolf;48512520] In fact, they shouldn't even get a trial. Or a lawyer to represent them. Let's throw them in a oubliette and forget about them.[/QUOTE] You can't argue by inflating someone else's argument.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48512526]Because rehab in U.S. is so effective... They will not be rehabbed, at least not under current system. [editline]21st August 2015[/editline] You can't argue by inflating someone else's argument.[/QUOTE] That's why we fix the system instead of throwing punishments at people that accomplish nothing. The United States has one of the highest repeat offender rates among developed countries. I've made proper arguments on this issue, but his complete disregard for the well being of prisoners is pretty disgusting by going "hurr hurr rehabilitation circlejerk" I bet he wouldn't mind if we just went straight to death penalty for people instead of the complicated process it is. A lot of people genuinely believe this btw (Even people in positions of power believe this) I don't really care if I strawman though, I'm not trying to use it as argument material

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48512593]That's why we fix the system instead of throwing punishments at people that accomplish nothing. The United States has one of the highest repeat offender rates among developed countries. I've made proper arguments on this issue, but his complete disregard for the well being of prisoners is pretty disgusting by going "hurr hurr rehabilitation circlejerk" I bet he wouldn't mind if we just went straight to death penalty for people instead of the complicated process it is. A lot of people genuinely believe this btw (Even people in positions of power believe this) I don't really care if I strawman though, I'm not trying to use it as argument material[/QUOTE] The system is not fixed, it needs fixing but that takes a lot of time. When it comes to criminals, something has to be done with them now. Until the system is fixed best option is to keep them away from general population.

I say stick those fuckers in an asylum. Prison won't do shit for rehabilitating them. Because lets face it, 1 hour a week with the prison psychiatrist (or w/e it is) won't help them nearly as much as doctors in an psychiatric hospital. Granted, they should be sentenced to at least 10 years in a mental house, that kind of stupid thinking doesn't just get rehabilitated over night, or a few years really. I don't think they should spend life in prison because hell if you do that what the fuck are you fixing, life imprisonment is almost as bad as capital punishment. except they have to suffer their whole lives especially if they smarten the fuck up and realize what they did. That's my 2 cents on the matter at least.

once again kids are tried as adults ..why do americans even have these rules when they just break them over and over for the sake of vengeance because freedums?

[QUOTE=mini me;48512916]once again kids are tried as adults ..why do americans even have these rules when they just break them over and over for the sake of vengeance because freedums?[/QUOTE] Because if the crime is sever enough you get tried as an adult. That's just how it is in the states. Rob a store break some shit and you get tried as a minor, kill, rape, brutally assaulkt someone and you can be tried as an adult

[QUOTE=mini me;48512916]once again kids are tried as adults ..why do americans even have these rules when they just break them over and over for the sake of vengeance because freedums?[/QUOTE] No, because it's supposed to protect kids who don't know any better. Premeditating murder and then stabbing your friend 19 times isn't really covered under not knowing any better because anyone with half a brain cell can realize that it isn't really something you should do. Also, if they go to juvenile hall they'll be released at 18 without supervision OR mental health treatment, which if you think a fictional character is real and start murdering people for, you absolutely need.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;48512351]fucking hell this ''REHABILITATION'' circlejerk is awful[/QUOTE] Do you think it would help these girls to lock them up in juvie then jail during their formative years and then release them after having locked them up in an environment that is violent and dangerous? This is a great way to solve nothing and create two repeat offenders.

I secretly hope for them to get life in prison but I also have this optimistic dream of them getting put in a mental asylum then some massive scandal happening that might improve the conditions of psychiatry in the US.

[QUOTE=sweetbro;48512404]so is the circlejerk of people who want to throw 13 year old girls in the slammer for life[/QUOTE] for stabbing someone 19 times

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;48512351]fucking hell this ''REHABILITATION'' circlejerk is awful[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sweetbro;48512404]so is the circlejerk of people who want to throw 13 year old girls in the slammer for life[/QUOTE] Everything is a circlejerk

Wow, what's with all the people using their age as an excuse to say that they should get out of a fitting punishment. I was 13 once and trust me 13 year olds are mentally aware enough that you shouldn't go out into the woods and stab someone 19 times.

[QUOTE=sweetbro;48512404]so is the circlejerk of people who want to throw 13 year old girls in the slammer for life[/QUOTE] Or what some consider worse: the death penalty. I'll show myself out...

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;48512351]fucking hell this ''REHABILITATION'' circlejerk is awful[/QUOTE] FYI, referring to a popular opinion as a circle jerk doesn't actually add anything intelligent to the discussion.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48512526]Because rehab in U.S. is so effective... They will not be rehabbed, at least not under current system. [/QUOTE] Actually, its not that the system is broken once you're in. Its just that there's no easy way to keep people in who really need to stay in.

Frankly American mental health is shit as well. The income disparity is such that any time a mental health worker is actually educated enough to know what they're doing, they end up working for private. Public mental health workers, the kind that work at mental hospitals, are absolutely TERRIBLE, at least from my experience.