"Bear up in the sky" - Russia officially joined the fight in Syria. - Polidicks

[B]Russian parliament unanimously approves use of military in Syria[/B] [img]https://cdn.rt.com/files/2015.09/original/560b8c1cc461887b3a8b45d9.jpg[/img] [quote]The upper chamber of the Russian parliament has unanimously given a formal consent to President Putin to use the nation’s military in Syria to fight terrorism at a request from the Syrian President Bashar Assad. Consent was necessary for use of the country's military for foreign combat missions under the Russian constitution. The request for use of force was sent by the president after considering the large number of citizens of Russia and neighboring countries, who went to join terrorist groups fighting in Syria, head of the presidential administration Sergey Ivanov told media. There are thousands of them, and Russia’s national security would be under threat, should they return home, he added. “This is not about reaching for some foreign policy goals, satisfying ambitions, which our Western partners regularly accuse us of. It’s only about the national interest of the Russian Federation,” the official said.[/quote] [url]http://www.rt.com/news/317013-parliament-authorization-troops-abroad/[/url]

I honestly have no idea how this will go.

This isn't really good nor bad. I just hope that as many innocent civilians will make it out of that country until this is over as possible. [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=download;48793381]I honestly have no idea how this will go.[/QUOTE] Well, it means it's very unlikely Assad is actually going to fall. In short term, that's definitely a good thing, because as much of an assknob Assad is, he's still better in power than rampant ISIS. In long term, presuming you would be willing to let many more people die in that war in which both Assad's establishment AS WELL AS ISIS were to be beaten, it's a bad thing, because Russia won't let Assad fall and he will be, presumably, back in power, once the opposition is beaten.

rip isis

Lets get real though, if I had to choose between a secular despotic ruler who kept the country in functional shape and on way of pretty great economical and social growth, killing only the people he deemed necessary to keep himself in power, and a fundamentalist group who executes and/or rapes literally anybody who is as much as of a wrong religion, are hellbent on destroying and censoring any culture and ideology other than theirs, and seek to pretty much control the world, it's not a too hard choice. Of course, there's the idea that Syria might get rid of both, but that hardly seems feasible without glassing that whole area.

It's important to remember that the oposition has fundamentalist islamist groups not too different from ISIS and financed by Al Quaeda, e.g. Al Nursa.

[QUOTE]Lets get real though, if I had to choose between a secular despotic ruler who kept the country in functional shape and on way of pretty great economical and social growth, killing only the people he deemed necessary to keep himself in power, and a fundamentalist group who executes and/or rapes literally anybody who is as much as of a wrong religion, are hellbent on destroying and censoring any culture and ideology other than theirs, and seek to pretty much control the world, it's not a too hard choice. Of course, there's the idea that Syria might get rid of both, but that hardly seems feasible without glassing that whole area.[/QUOTE] Russia are happy to keep Assad at the helm. Their agenda is removing ISIS. Deposing middle east leaders has not worked up to now, I don't see this going any other way if Assad is removed.

Now if only the USA would join the Russians in a Joint Task Force

[QUOTE=DMGaina;48793574]Now if only the USA would join the Russians in a Joint Task Force[/QUOTE] Their EndGame is different though.

Russia would primarily focus on ridding ISIS from Syria. And eliminate possible threats against Assad's government. Syria could provide Russia with warm water ports in the Mediterranean. This is simply Russia going after their interests. I'm curious as to how Iran will interpret this action, and how they will respond.

[QUOTE=DMGaina;48793574]Now if only the USA would join the Russians in a Joint Task Force[/QUOTE] Have you missed the recent threads related to this about Russia and America in talks? Basically Russia is going in full force while America keeps on with their air strikes. Also to commemorate ISIS about to get fucked royally. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2YlbiyiuMc[/media]

[QUOTE=Saphirx;48793599]Russia would primarily focus on ridding ISIS from Syria. And eliminate possible threats against Assad's government. Syria could provide Russia with warm water ports in the Mediterranean. This is simply Russia going after their interests.[/QUOTE] Nothing wrong with a country looking out for its own interests while also helping other nations.

[QUOTE=Saphirx;48793599]Russia would primarily focus on ridding ISIS from Syria. And eliminate possible threats against Assad's government. Syria could provide Russia with warm water ports in the Mediterranean. This is simply Russia going after their interests.[/QUOTE] Honestly I'm fine with this so long as it means Russia just keeps it in Syria and I see lots of ISIS getting curb stomped.

[quote]The request for use of force was sent by the president after considering the large number of citizens of Russia and neighboring countries, who went to join terrorist groups fighting in Syria, head of the presidential administration Sergey Ivanov told media. There are thousands of them, and Russia’s national security would be under threat, should they return home, he added.[/quote] Jesus christ, literally doing this for the Russian minorities. Putin, it was a joke, not a foreign policy suggestion

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48793664]Jesus christ, literally doing this for the Russian minorities. Putin, it was a joke, not a foreign policy suggestion[/QUOTE] I guess Putin wrote Syria on his Christmas wishlist.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48793664]Jesus christ, literally doing this for the Russian minorities. Putin, it was a joke, not a foreign policy suggestion[/QUOTE] Nah this time its for the Russian majorities! They are just using the same rethoric europeans used so far:"what happens if the jihadists return?".

[QUOTE]"what does happen if the jihadists return though?"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48793664]Jesus christ, literally doing this [b]for[/b] the Russian minorities. Putin, it was a joke, not a foreign policy suggestion[/QUOTE] Much rather, against Russian minorities though.

Cold War v2

[QUOTE=Saphirx;48793599]Russia would primarily focus on ridding ISIS from Syria. And eliminate possible threats against Assad's government. Syria could provide Russia with warm water ports in the Mediterranean. This is simply Russia going after their interests.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's essentially what every country ever always did, does and will do. Nothing wrong with that in itself, but last time someone went into that region with the millitary, well, I don't need to remind anyone :v:

Honestly the Cold War never ended, it was cooled down for a bit.

[QUOTE=download;48793381]I honestly have no idea how this will go.[/QUOTE] Afghanistan V2

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48793904]Afghanistan V2[/QUOTE] Could end up Chechnya 3.0. Everyone outside of allowed zone gets glassed.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48793904]Afghanistan V2[/QUOTE] Except ISIS doesn't have US funding so actually probably not

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48794046]Except ISIS doesn't have US funding so actually probably not[/QUOTE] They've gotten a lot in terms of donations and volunteers from various countries, some of which includes western ones, Turkey, Arab states, etc. Jihadi John comes to mind. Like there aren't any governments involved (possibly excepting Turkey), but they are certainly getting support from outside of the Islamic State.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48794063]They've gotten a lot in terms of donations and volunteers from various countries, some of which includes western ones, Turkey, Arab states, etc. Jihadi John comes to mind. Like there aren't any governments involved (possibly excepting Turkey), but they are certainly getting support from outside of the Islamic State.[/QUOTE] Yeah not enough to take on modern Russia, particularly if Russia has Assad's backing as well.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48794067]Yeah not enough to take on modern Russia, particularly if Russia has Assad's backing as well.[/QUOTE] Iunno, it would take a big commitment and a lot of time to oust ISIS from Syria. The United States struggled to keep Iraq stable, and I don't have high hopes for Russia considering the state of their military.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48794081]Iunno, it would take a big commitment and a lot of time to oust ISIS from Syria. The United States struggled to keep Iraq stable, and I don't have high hopes for Russia considering the state of their military.[/QUOTE] Well the thing is that Russia isn't invading Syria, they are helping the Syrian government to win. And truth to be told whoever wins the war, the country will not be stable for years to come.

[QUOTE=ripsipiirakk;48794129]Well the thing is that Russia isn't invading Syria, they are helping the Syrian government to win. And truth to be told whoever wins the war, the country will not be stable for years to come.[/QUOTE] The region will never be stable in any of our lifetimes.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48794081]Iunno, it would take a big commitment and a lot of time to oust ISIS from Syria. The United States struggled to keep Iraq stable, and I don't have high hopes for Russia considering the state of their military.[/QUOTE]Yeah, this. ISIS will either break down into an insurgency, completely shatter and everyone involved joins other groups, or it fractures into smaller insurgent cells. Really only one of those options ends in the organization going away, it doesn't actually solve the problem. I mean we've tried every way we could outside of just going medieval on the place to stamp out insurgencies. Yeah, a lot of endeavors fell short because of poor execution, but getting rid of insurgents is [i]hard.[/i] [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] Plus it wouldn't surprise me if Russia and China were treating this like practice, learning the skills needed so they can project force into far away places like we can. China would definitely be interested in that since their ultimate goal is clearly to oust us from our position at the top. (especially in the Pacific)