30 million people are still living as slaves, according to estimates - Polidicks

[quote]The inaugural [URL="http://www.walkfree.org/learn"]"Global Slavery Index"[/URL] by the Walk Free Foundation released on Thursday said that India had by far the highest number of enslaved people, but that the problem was most prevalent in Mauritania, Haiti and Pakistan. The index ranked 162 countries by estimating how many people in each nation are living in slavery, the risk of enslavement and how governments were responding to the problem. Modern slavery is defined as human trafficking, forced labor and practices like debt bondage, forced marriage and the sale or exploitation of children. Ten countries are believed to account for 76 percent of all people living in slavery – an estimated 29.8 million people – including China, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Russia, Thailand, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Myanmar and Bangladesh.[/quote] So, has the news been happy for you lately? If so, let me fix that up real good. [url]http://www.dw.de/report-estimates-30-million-people-worldwide-living-in-slavery/a-17164558[/url]

I'm not surprised India is up there. I remember watching a video where they brought in a bunch of workers (a good deal of them foreigners) for a big project, and then project got cancelled, and they refused to let them leave. [editline]17th October 2013[/editline] Here it is, actually. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMh-vlQwrmU[/media]

And that's without even considering wage slavery. It's incredibly depressing how so many people are bound by traditionally recognised forms of slavery nonetheless and more needs to be done to enable these people to break free and secure their own autonomy.

My friend worked as a barman in Dubai for a summer, he said that it literally is one of the worst places in the world, the rich/poor divide is as obscene as the excess and extravagance of the city itself. He can't wait for the oil money to run out and the sands to take it back, he is incredibly bitter about the whole thing.

Bitter for good reason I imagine.

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;42551191]And that's without even considering wage slavery. It's incredibly depressing how so many people are bound by traditionally recognised forms of slavery nonetheless and more needs to be done to enable these people to break free and secure their own autonomy.[/QUOTE] 'Wage slavery' is nowhere near comparable to actual slavery.

I know but it is still often exploitative and less than ideal.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;42551417]'Wage slavery' is nowhere near comparable to actual slavery.[/QUOTE] I'm not you, so I don't know if you've ever seen it truly in action. But real wage slavery can be disgustingly inhumane and can result in some of the most foulest living conditions.

[QUOTE=Mebit;42551468]I'm not you, so I don't know if you've ever seen it truly in action. But real wage slavery can be disgustingly inhumane and can result in some of the most foulest living conditions.[/QUOTE] I'm not going to stress on the point because this is anecdotal, but even with wage slavery there is still a degree of freedom available that proper slaves do not get. My weekly expenses are $300 renting a place by myself, paying for electricity, getting groceries and petrol but I'm only rostered for enough hours every week to receive $120, they call me in additionally of course but that's not guaranteed. I have to worry every day whether they call me in or not, but so what? I have friends I can hang out with, I have a place to call home, I have a car and I can still choose what groceries I get when I go shopping. Might make pasta one week, then do butter chicken the next. I hardly consider it slavery.

I think they ment wage slavery as in poor people in the third world getting 1 cent a day to make our pants [editline]17th October 2013[/editline] Wait you think having a shitty job makes you a slave?

Wow I feel like an entitled asshat after watching that documentary I really should stop complaining about my job even if it it not to be taken too seriously.

There's a deep and unpleasant irony in people claiming they are "slaves to fashion" when the fashions they are "slaves" to are made by literal slaves.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;42551494]I'm not going to stress on the point because this is anecdotal, but even with wage slavery there is still a degree of freedom available that proper slaves do not get. My weekly expenses are $300 renting a place by myself, paying for electricity, getting groceries and petrol but I'm only rostered for enough hours every week to receive $120, they call me in additionally of course but that's not guaranteed. I have to worry every day whether they call me in or not, but so what? I have friends I can hang out with, I have a place to call home, I have a car and I can still choose what groceries I get when I go shopping. Might make pasta one week, then do butter chicken the next. I hardly consider it slavery.[/QUOTE] You're not a slave, or a wage slave.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;42551494]I'm not going to stress on the point because this is anecdotal, but even with wage slavery there is still a degree of freedom available that proper slaves do not get. My weekly expenses are $300 renting a place by myself, paying for electricity, getting groceries and petrol but I'm only rostered for enough hours every week to receive $120, they call me in additionally of course but that's not guaranteed. I have to worry every day whether they call me in or not, but so what? I have friends I can hang out with, I have a place to call home, I have a car and I can still choose what groceries I get when I go shopping. Might make pasta one week, then do butter chicken the next. I hardly consider it slavery.[/QUOTE] Lmao you're just a poor fuck, not a wage slave

People should be free from the day they were born to the day where they die. I guess I have to keep on dreaming.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;42551494]I'm not going to stress on the point because this is anecdotal, but even with wage slavery there is still a degree of freedom available that proper slaves do not get. My weekly expenses are $300 renting a place by myself, paying for electricity, getting groceries and petrol but I'm only rostered for enough hours every week to receive $120, they call me in additionally of course but that's not guaranteed. I have to worry every day whether they call me in or not, but so what? I have friends I can hang out with, I have a place to call home, I have a car and I can still choose what groceries I get when I go shopping. Might make pasta one week, then do butter chicken the next. I hardly consider it slavery.[/QUOTE] You can choose where to live, what to eat, whether or not to quit your job and move across the country, etc. Wage slaves have none of these options. You arrive in a foreign country, your papers are taken from you. You can't go to the cops because you're now an illegal immigrant. You can't run off because you aren't given money and don't know anyone except the people you work with/for. You work 16+ hours every day without breaks because labour laws don't apply to people without the power to have them enforced. They don't have friends to hang out with, a car, they don't get to choose what groceries they buy. That's the difference between you and a wage slave. Get over yourself.

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;42551191]And that's without even considering wage slavery.[/QUOTE] What do you (personally) define as wage slavery?

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;42550663]I'm not surprised India is up there. I remember watching a video where they brought in a bunch of workers (a good deal of them foreigners) for a big project, and then project got cancelled, and they refused to let them leave. [editline]17th October 2013[/editline] Here it is, actually. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMh-vlQwrmU[/media][/QUOTE] That guy at 9:50 gets me every fucking time. I hate the world aaa

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42553808]What do you (personally) define as wage slavery?[/QUOTE] Basically the quasi-voluntary state where the livelihood of a person depends on wages and where the job they work more often than not places them and their labour under control of a boss or other autocratic figure. They tend not to have any means of self-management. "wage slavery is not a consequence of exploitation -- exploitation is a consequence of the fact that the sale of labour power entails the worker's subordination. The employment contract creates the capitalist as master; he has the political right to determine how the labour of the worker will be used, and -- consequently -- can engage in exploitation." It's not such a voluntary situation when you need the wage to eat, etc. If there was some kind of minimum income irrespective of work (as I think you've mentioned before) I guess that could enhance the relationship between worker and boss by making it more voluntary than before.

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;42555275]Basically the quasi-voluntary state where the livelihood of a person depends on wages and where the job they work more often than not places them and their labour under control of a boss or other autocratic figure. They tend not to have any means of self-management. "wage slavery is not a consequence of exploitation -- exploitation is a consequence of the fact that the sale of labour power entails the worker's subordination. The employment contract creates the capitalist as master; he has the political right to determine how the labour of the worker will be used, and -- consequently -- can engage in exploitation." It's not such a voluntary situation when you need the wage to eat, etc. If there was some kind of minimum income irrespective of work (as I think you've mentioned before) I guess that could enhance the relationship between worker and boss by making it more voluntary than before.[/QUOTE] How would you solve the issue of wage slavery? I see it as being a simple fix whereby some legislative reform can fix these problems in combination with enforcement of the law by the state. Certainly that's managed to wipe out wage slavery from most modern day states, so similar actions can be done in these less advanced countries.

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;42555275]Basically the quasi-voluntary state where the livelihood of a person depends on wages and where the job they work more often than not places them and their labour under control of a boss or other autocratic figure. They tend not to have any means of self-management. "wage slavery is not a consequence of exploitation -- exploitation is a consequence of the fact that the sale of labour power entails the worker's subordination. The employment contract creates the capitalist as master; he has the political right to determine how the labour of the worker will be used, and -- consequently -- can engage in exploitation." It's not such a voluntary situation when you need the wage to eat, etc. If there was some kind of minimum income irrespective of work (as I think you've mentioned before) I guess that could enhance the relationship between worker and boss by making it more voluntary than before.[/QUOTE] Is that Karl Marx you're quoting?

30 million? Isn't that like more than double the amount of slaves traded from Africa to work in the Americas?

I'm a slave to the system

there has to be more than 30 million people in prisons

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42558912]Is that Karl Marx you're quoting?[/QUOTE] carole pateman i believe.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42558912]Is that Karl Marx you're quoting?[/QUOTE] No, Bakunin and Carole Pateman, the former was influenced by some of the work of Marx I believe as many anarchist writers are.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;42550663]I'm not surprised India is up there. I remember watching a video where they brought in a bunch of workers (a good deal of them foreigners) for a big project, and then project got cancelled, and they refused to let them leave. [editline]17th October 2013[/editline] Here it is, actually. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMh-vlQwrmU[/media][/QUOTE] But that's Dubai, not India

[QUOTE=smurfy;42567067]But that's Dubai, not India[/QUOTE] The people are Indians, for the most part.

that's like the population of iraq wow

[QUOTE=smurfy;42567067]But that's Dubai, not India[/QUOTE] I'm guessing the two sentences are unrelated