Case of NYPD officer who choked asthmatic man to death ruled a homicide - Polidicks

[quote][IMG]http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1888804.1406945356!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/choke2n-2-web.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://static1.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1888881.1406923585!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-choke2-0801.jpg[/IMG] [/quote] [url]http://abcnews.go.com/US/nypd-chokehold-death-homicide-medical-examiner-rules/story?id=24811834[/url] [quote] The death of a Staten Island man who was put into an apparent choke hold by the New York Police Department was ruled a homicide today by the city's medical examiner. The incident provoked outrage last month after a witness filmed New York Police Department cops placing Eric Garner in what appeared to be a chokehold while arresting Garner for selling cigarettes illegally. Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and 350 pounds, could be heard saying that he could not breathe. After his death, officers told supervisors that they did not think excess force was used and initially blamed Garner's death on a heart attack before the film went viral. The New York City Medical Examiner ruled that the cause of death was "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest, and prone positioning during physical restraint by police." [B] They said that acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity and hypersensitive cardiovascular disease were "contributing conditions" but still ruled the manner of death a "homicide." [/B] The officer who was seen in the video placing Garner in the choke hold, Daniel Pantaleo, an eight-year veteran, was placed on modified assignment pending the outcome of investigations into the incident by the district attorney and NYPD Internal Affairs unit. The [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/us/federal-bureau-of-investigation.htm"]FBI[/URL] also said it was monitoring the case. Pantaleo's gun and badge were taken away pending the outcome of the investigations. The District Attorney's office said it had seen the medical examiner's results and the investigation was ongoing. No charges have yet been filed in the death. [/quote] Ignoring the fact they tried to provoked him over selling untaxed tobacco, that was an illegal chokehold. Don't talk to the police like him, they're itching for you to say or do something that would automatically justify whatever force they take. [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/push-charges-nyc-police-chokehold-death-24817734"]Related[/URL]: [quote]After her son was placed in a police chokehold and died saying, "I can't breathe," Gwen Carr would wake up screaming, "Let him go! Give him air!" she said Saturday. When she heard his death had been ruled a homicide, she said, her first words were, "Thank you, Jesus!"[/quote] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-5UY9I1EbU[/media]

Those people in the video don't even look dressed to be police. Was it dress up as a douchebag day?

[QUOTE=Complifused;45599364]Those people in the video don't even look dressed to be police. Was it dress up as a douchebag day?[/QUOTE] A lot of the people 'attracted' to the police force are douchebags who wish to project an aura. This plain-clothed attire (clearly not undercover) is probably supposed to be another manifestation of their wish to look unique/thrilling in front of everyone.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;45599438]A lot of the people 'attracted' to the police force are douchebags who wish to project an [B]aurora[/B]. This plain-clothed attire is probably supposed to be another manifestation of their wish to look unique/thrilling in front of everyone.[/QUOTE] Don't you mean aura ? [t]http://onebigphoto.com/uploads/2012/01/aurora-at-dawn.jpg[/t] Because that's an aurora Speaking of mixing up words, I don't want to be the devil's advocado (hue) but that woman thanking Jesus rather than the people at the court for ruling the case a homicide is annoying me.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;45599438]A lot of the people 'attracted' to the police force are douchebags who wish to project an aurora. This plain-clothed attire (clearly not undercover) is probably supposed to be another manifestation of their wish to look unique/thrilling in front of everyone.[/QUOTE] Policing attracts a lot of people who just want to feel bigger than everyone else unfortunately. Pretty sure everyone has met a bad cop before.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;45599438]A lot of the people 'attracted' to the police force are douchebags who wish to project an aurora. This plain-clothed attire (clearly not undercover) is probably supposed to be another manifestation of their wish to look unique/thrilling in front of everyone.[/QUOTE] wow thanks for that detailed and sweeping analysis starpluck i'm sure it's backed up by years of ethnographic research and wasn't totally 100% plucked out of your ass

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;45599462]wow thanks for that detailed and sweeping analysis starpluck i'm sure it's backed up by years of ethnographic research and wasn't totally 100% plucked out of your ass[/QUOTE] Your statement is useless too; or what merit does it have? Text sarcasm always sounds idiotic to me. This whole story sucks; hearing the guy call out that he can't breathe and watching him die at the hands of like 7 policies officers... Fucking horrid

kill all pigs

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;45599462]wow thanks for that detailed and sweeping analysis starpluck i'm sure it's backed up by years of ethnographic research and wasn't totally 100% plucked out of your ass[/QUOTE] It's true though, you get that basically anywhere. He's not saying all are bad, but there's definitely a significant percentage of people who shouldn't really have that job. (Though I'm not just talking about violence but also bending of regulations etc. It's not difficult to get inconvenienced by police when you film them in Germany for example, even though it's perfectly legal in most cases (according to Law Blog, it's fairly reliable regarding that sort of thing).)

Wow. I hadn't watched the video until now. I was thinking it was going to be something really stupid and provoked but wow. The police involved deserve whatever comes to them.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;45599438]A lot of the people 'attracted' to the police force are douchebags who wish to project an aura. This plain-clothed attire (clearly not undercover) is probably supposed to be another manifestation of their wish to look unique/thrilling in front of everyone.[/QUOTE] Yeah you got any information to back this up? Or is just another one of these "fuck da police" statements?

I just don't know how you could be choking a fellow human and hear him cry out his last words before suffocating and not having the natural instinct to let go; on someone who wasn't even violent.. I'm sure there is some justification like "if we had let go of his neck he might overpower us" but when you've got like 7 officers all dog piling a guy I don't think you need to continue choking him, at the very least..

[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;45599595]I just don't know how you could be choking a fellow human and hear him cry out his last words before suffocating and not having the natural instinct to let go; on someone who wasn't even violent.. I'm sure there is some justification like "if we had let go of his neck he might overpower us" but when you've got like 7 officers all dog piling a guy I don't think you need to continue choking him, at the very least..[/QUOTE] You can get caught up in the moment, which is what I'm pretty sure happened here. However, he shouldn't have put him in a chokehold in the first place.

[QUOTE=MR-X;45599591]Yeah you got any information to back this up? Or is just another one of these "fuck da police" statements?[/QUOTE] I said a lot of people attracted to the police force hold that mindset, not all the people inside the police force.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;45599462]wow thanks for that detailed and sweeping analysis starpluck i'm sure it's backed up by years of ethnographic research and wasn't totally 100% plucked out of your ass[/QUOTE] He's not exactly wrong though. The majority of police officers I've met have been very professional and a real credit to my overall good opinion of our constabulary; I think very highly of them. That said, you do get some people who literally join up because they have an inner need to get some kind of power over everyone else. You find exactly the same with some server admins who literally just want it as a status symbol. [editline]5th August 2014[/editline] In the UK I think this would count as a manslaughter charge. The cop doing the choke hold was clearly using excessive force for the situation and should be punished.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;45599462]wow thanks for that detailed and sweeping analysis starpluck i'm sure it's backed up by years of ethnographic research and wasn't totally 100% [B]plucked[/B] out of your ass[/QUOTE] Heh.

[QUOTE=MR-X;45599591]Yeah you got any information to back this up? Or is just another one of these "fuck da police" statements?[/QUOTE] yea only nice people want to be an elite class of citizen with a monopoly on force.

[QUOTE=TheWindow;45599608]You can get caught up in the moment, which is what I'm pretty sure happened here. However, he shouldn't have put him in a chokehold in the first place.[/QUOTE] Getting caught up in the moment only goes so far though; at a certain point the officer should have realized that he was [I]killing[/I] someone, not just choking them out. Reminds me vaguely of that video where a homeless guy was crying for his father while being beaten to death. Just defies imagination how another person can do that, much less someone in law enforcement.

starpluck isn't wrong in saying that there are bad eggs in the police force who are no doubt attracted to power - that's fuckin highschool simple logic that everyone knows - but claiming that "plain-clothed attire is probably supposed to be another manifestation of their wish to look unique/thrilling in front of everyone", whether true or not, is completely baseless and just plain shitty armchair psychology [editline]5th August 2014[/editline] like i'm sure being a plainclothed officer is something that you are told to do that is specific to a role you train for and have to be selected for. it's not something where you think "yo i wanna look like a fuckin badass when i'm murdering civilians today i'm gonna rock plain clothes"

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;45599834]starpluck isn't wrong in saying that there are bad eggs in the police force who are no doubt attracted to power - that's fuckin highschool simple logic that everyone knows - but claiming that "plain-clothed attire is probably supposed to be another manifestation of their wish to look unique/thrilling in front of everyone", whether true or not, is completely baseless and just plain shitty armchair psychology [editline]5th August 2014[/editline] like i'm sure being a plainclothed officer is something that you are told to do that is specific to a role you train for and have to be selected for. it's not something where you think "yo i wanna look like a fuckin badass when i'm murdering civilians today i'm gonna rock plain clothes"[/QUOTE] Maybe Civil Protection in HL2 should have worn T-shirts and cargo shorts.

I still say it was a highly unprofessional behavior. Chocking or "piling on top" people is generally a bad idea. That's NOT how you make an arrest. You don't know if the man just had a surgery or have any disorders that can be fatal.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;45599755]Getting caught up in the moment only goes so far though; at a certain point the officer should have realized that he was [I]killing[/I] someone, not just choking them out. Reminds me vaguely of that video where a homeless guy was crying for his father while being beaten to death. Just defies imagination how another person can do that, much less someone in law enforcement.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I guess. Please don't think I'm justifying anything the cops did here, though.

[QUOTE=Conscript;45599738]yea only nice people want to be an elite class of citizen with a monopoly on force.[/QUOTE] Or maybe some people actually want to protect members of their community while being on the side of the law?

[QUOTE=Starpluck;45599331] Ignoring the fact they tried to provoked him over selling untaxed tobacco, that was an illegal chokehold. Don't talk to the police like him, they're itching for you to say or do something that would automatically justify whatever force they take.[/QUOTE] As seen here, someone who doesnt know the use of force continuum or policy for the department

When he started choking out the words 'I can't breathe' quieter and quieter, I just turned off the video... Like seriously, can Police officers please take that into a bit more consideration. I know every drunk fuck says it when they get knocked to the ground, but maybe, JUST MAYBE, sometimes they are telling the truth.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;45599438]A lot of the people 'attracted' to the police force are douchebags who wish to project an aura. This plain-clothed attire (clearly not undercover) is probably supposed to be another manifestation of their wish to look unique/thrilling in front of everyone.[/QUOTE] Don't you guys have psych tests as a requirement for the police?

[QUOTE=Starpluck;45599650]I said a lot of people attracted to the police force hold that mindset, not all the people inside the police force.[/QUOTE] When you post unsubstantiated nonsense like [quote]This plain-clothed attire (clearly not undercover) is probably supposed to be another manifestation of their wish to look unique/thrilling in front of everyone. [/quote] you still have to back it up. Not to mention you made the claim in the first place that [I]a lot[/I] of cops are douchebags looking to project an aura. You made the claim. He called you on it. The fact that you're not saying that literally every policeman fits the stereotype doesn't mean you're freed from having to back up the claim that [I]a lot[/I] of them are. Yes, everyone readily accepts that there are some people like that- but to go from 'a lot' to a 'a small minority' to avoid backing up your claims is a bait and switch. Imagine how ridiculous it would seem if someone applied this same logical process to other topics. 'A lot of Jews are really sociopaths. This latest retaliation against Gaza is an expression of their wish to dominate the Western world.' 'uh can you back that up' 'I said a lot of Jews are sociopaths, not all of them' Completely useless and dishonest. You're making substantial demographic claims about policemen, you back it up.

I remember I got a ticket once for having approximately 33% of "Garden State" covered by the dealership plate guard, and having a spinning rim air freshener hanging from the rearview. Though, I'm pretty sure the cop was fucked up on percs, considering how antsy/itchy he was. Motherfucker was reaching for his gun when I went to put down my chicken lo mein.

I knew the guy was in the wrong from the beginning, I remember everyone trying to defend him in the original thread. I have nothing against the police, but this whole scenario was just unnecessary from the beginning.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;45599438]A lot of the people 'attracted' to the police force are douchebags who wish to project an aura. [/QUOTE] Could say the same about internet moderators but then again I would be talking complete shit