• Android Wear is now officially compatible with iOS
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[url]http://googleblog.blogspot.com/ncr/2015/08/android-wear-now-works-with-iphones.html[/url] [quote=Google]When you wear something every day, you want to be sure it really works for you. That’s why Android Wear offers countless design choices, so you can find the watch that fits your style. Want a round watch with a more classic look? Feel like a new watch band? How about changing things up every day with watch faces from artists and designers? With Android Wear you can do all of that. And now, Android Wear watches work with iPhones. Android Wear for iOS is rolling out today. Just pair your iPhone (iPhone 5, 5c, 5s, 6, or 6 Plus running iOS 8.2+) with an Android Wear watch to bring simple and helpful information right to your wrist:[/quote]
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;48584504]I'm astounded Apple approved the companion app.[/QUOTE] especially considering they said theyd block apps like this that arent theirs
It's just a bluetooth device so there's no reason why they would block it.
[QUOTE=Scot;48584780]It's just a bluetooth device so there's no reason why they would block it.[/QUOTE] They removed apps stating pebble support when the apple watch launched. It's in their TOS.
Good, now you iPhone users can buy a good smartwatch for cheap.
[QUOTE=Levelog;48584825]They removed apps stating pebble support when the apple watch launched. It's in their TOS.[/QUOTE] We'll see if this is ever allowed to support Android Wear Apps outside of the Google Ecosystem. Currently only a very select number of apps will work, and there's no plans to announce app support on iOS. I'm thinking this is how they got around that.
No 4S? That's such a shame, I guess the Pebble is still my only hope.
[QUOTE=Trekintosh;48585298]No 4S? That's such a shame, I guess the Pebble is still my only hope.[/QUOTE] 4s doesn't have BLE, so it won't work you're at 4 years past release, i don't think expecting it to be supported is justifiable anymore
[QUOTE=Xieneus;48584887]Good, now you iPhone users can buy a good smartwatch for cheap.[/QUOTE] But they'll still be stuck with the Apple Watch bloatware that they can't get rid of from their home screen. Like come on, at least it should either be stashed away in Settings or there should be a toggle to make it show up in Springboard or not. And to think they're trying to bloat iOS 9 even further by mandatorily including Find My Friends, an app that used to be separately downloadable.
So when are Apple going to do the opposite and allow the Apple watch to work with android phones? And don't say compatibility, Apple could easily release an android tie in app. How are Apple allowed to get away with so many consumer unfriendly practices while all their rivals are constantly fighting anti-competitive lawsuits?
[QUOTE=subenji99;48591633]So when are Apple going to do the opposite and allow the Apple watch to work with android phones? And don't say compatibility, Apple could easily release an android tie in app. How are Apple allowed to get away with so many consumer unfriendly practices while all their rivals are constantly fighting anti-competitive lawsuits?[/QUOTE] it is kinda amazing how much all of apples competitors are under fire from governments while apple isn't under fire by any afaik.
[QUOTE=subenji99;48591633]So when are Apple going to do the opposite and allow the Apple watch to work with android phones? And don't say compatibility, Apple could easily release an android tie in app. How are Apple allowed to get away with so many consumer unfriendly practices while all their rivals are constantly fighting anti-competitive lawsuits?[/QUOTE] Why would they? Have no reason to and no obligation to. There's nothing anti-competitive or anti-consumer about that, they just have a different business model. There was nothing anti-competitive about Wear not being on iOS, Google just decided to eventually add support for it, obviously in an attempt to gain market share.
[QUOTE=subenji99;48591633]So when are Apple going to do the opposite and allow the Apple watch to work with android phones? And don't say compatibility, Apple could easily release an android tie in app. How are Apple allowed to get away with so many consumer unfriendly practices while all their rivals are constantly fighting anti-competitive lawsuits?[/QUOTE] Apple develops all their own things. iOS for example, belongs to them and them exclusively, meaning they can pretty much do whatever they want with them. Many of the things they do are shady and restrictive, but not necessarily illegal. Contrast to Android, which is actually open source, so attempts to monopolise it from one company or another won't legally end well.
(not talking about their non non-competitive practices like the apple watch, just in general) [editline]1st September 2015[/editline] my merge! my 10 minute ago merge!
Google's search engine is wholly their own property and yet they're constantly under fire for any perceived bias Microsoft has had injunctions placed against it to the point of having to offer "N" releases of its OS just for setting IE, Windows Media Player and Bing as default options in it's own wholly owned OS But Apple doesn't have any of this shit for all their anti-competitive behaviour Just try to move from an iPhone to any other smartphone, you'll see how big an issue this is.
[QUOTE=subenji99;48596705]Google's search engine is wholly their own property and yet they're constantly under fire for any perceived bias Microsoft has had injunctions placed against it to the point of having to offer "N" releases of its OS just for setting IE, Windows Media Player and Bing as default options in it's own wholly owned OS But Apple doesn't have any of this shit for all their anti-competitive behaviour Just try to move from an iPhone to any other smartphone, you'll see how big an issue this is.[/QUOTE] I don't understand what you're trying to get at? What does this have to do with the topic? The stuff with Google and Microsoft has to do with them having monopolies in their respective markets. What's anti-competitive about the Watch and how does this relate to that? The Apple Watch is an accessory for iPhones. Saying it's anti-competitive is like saying iPhone 6 cases are anti-competitive because they don't fit on a Nexus 5.
So you don't think that the iPhone is a monopoly in the smartphone market, and maybe consumers should have the choice of using a different smartwatch with an iPhone? [img]http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corporate/us/en/images/news-trends/2015-newswire/8554_Smartphone%20_wirepost_Graphic2_D1.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=subenji99;48596782]So you don't think that the iPhone is a monopoly in the smartphone market, and maybe consumers should have the choice of using a different smartwatch with an iPhone?[/QUOTE] The iPhone isn't a monopoly though? Android as a platform holds the highest market share in the mobile market. And they do have a choice? Pebble was always on iOS, and now there's Wear. I'm not sure what you're getting at. [editline]2nd September 2015[/editline] 43% of the market in the U.S. isnt a monopoly lol
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;48596805]The iPhone isn't a monopoly though? Android holds the most market share in the mobile market. 43% of the market in the U.S. isnt a monopoly lol[/QUOTE] OS =/= brand monopoly. When you add up all the variations of android based handsets they outnumber iPhones (many of which are <$200 beaters), but there's no single class of phone made by a single manufacturer that outstrips Apple.
[QUOTE=Superwafflez;48596830]OS =/= brand monopoly. When you add up all the variations of android based handsets they outnumber iPhones (many of which are <$200 beaters), but there's no single class of phone made by a single manufacturer that outstrips Apple.[/QUOTE] That doesn't make it a monopoly. Even in the graph above their share of the market is only ~12% greater than Samsung's. Simply outselling competitors doesn't make for a monopoly, you would have to own almost the entirety of the market.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;48596805]The iPhone isn't a monopoly though? Android as a platform holds the highest market share in the mobile market. And they do have a choice? Pebble was always on iOS, and now there's Wear. I'm not sure what you're getting at. [editline]2nd September 2015[/editline] 43% of the market in the U.S. isnt a monopoly lol[/QUOTE] But they did remove any apps stating pebble support.
[QUOTE=Levelog;48596861]But they did remove any apps stating pebble support.[/QUOTE] No they didn't. There was one instance a few months ago where an app was rejected and it was believed it was because they mentioned Pebble in the description, but it made it back on the store fine while keeping the Pebble mention. There have been plenty of apps that have mentioned Pebble support without issues so it was really just an isolated incident, likely because of someone's fuckup rather than some major policy issue. I mean, you can just search Pebble in the App Store and clearly see that's not the case.
Why are you arguing for restricting consumer choice exactly? Out of some kind of misplaced brand loyalty? On android you can use any manufacturer's smartwatch with any other manufacturer's phone. This article is stating that now you can even use those watches with an Apple phone too. Why not Apple? If their watch is any damn good maybe people will want to use it even if they don't use an iPhone - what's bad about allowing that? But it doesn't fit in Apple's world. You need to use your Macbook with your iPhone synced with iTunes, talk to everyone on iMessage and browse with Safari. You need to sync all your data on iCloud. These are all interwoven and god help you if you want to use something else. On top of that there are industry standards Apple just doesn't follow because they're allowed to get away with it. Bluetooth has been a thing for years, but Apple didn't like talking to every other device out there with an existing standard so AirDrop and AirPlay exist, and standard bluetooth connection is [url=https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DuZzx1k4-xk/VeZ8EAEuLrI/AAAAAAAAElc/yrLeKiytA2Q/s0/2015-09-02_05-32-52.png]extremely difficult.[/url] Contactless payment has existed for 5 years but Apple has no interest in using the well-established NFC antenna so it made it's own technology and introduced Apple Pay - and they're so big that companies are mass adopting it anyway even though as you say "45% share isn't a monopoly". When every other tech company is up against the legal wall trying not to step on anyone else's toes, Apple is striding through doing whatever the fuck it pleases - and consumers shouldn't stand for it.
Lol jesus, there's so much wrong here. I don't know what you're trying to argue about when you barely understand anything you're saying. [QUOTE=subenji99;48597596]On android you can use any manufacturer's smartwatch with any other manufacturer's phone. This article is stating that now you can even use those watches with an Apple phone too. Why not Apple? If their watch is any damn good maybe people will want to use it even if they don't use an iPhone - what's bad about allowing that?[/QUOTE] What about Windows Phone? Is it somehow anti-competitive that they don't support that platform? Was it anti-competitive before when they didn't support iOS? There's nothing anti-competitive or anti-consumer about any of this, it's just what they choose to support. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the business models of these companies. Apple is primarily a hardware maker, and they make most of their sales from hardware. They sell their own hardware and by extension the software for their own hardware, which is tightly integrated. Google isn't like this - they make money from ads and user tracking. Their entire business model relies on getting users onto their services. Every move by a company has a business case, and it's not like Google decided to support iOS just from the good of their heart, it's how they make money. And like I said before, the Apple Watch is designed from the bottom up to be a companion to an iPhone - everything from the design to the integration of apps and built in services. You couldn't just simply build a companion app on Android, and even if you did it'd be severely limited and out of place. It's not like Wear is fully featured on iOS either - it mostly just displays notifications and Google Now, with some extra features on some of Google's own apps. [QUOTE]But it doesn't fit in Apple's world. You need to use your Macbook with your iPhone synced with iTunes, [/QUOTE] Ummm, having a MacBook has never been a requirement for anything. Yes you'll need iTunes for syncing certain things but that's also available on Windows, and with more services moving to the cloud it gets less and less essential. [QUOTE]talk to everyone on iMessage[/QUOTE] You clearly don't understand iMessage. You don't [I]have[/I] to talk to people with iMessage, but it works automatically between iPhone and Mac users to provide a better texting experience than SMS. It just seamlessly switches between iMessage and SMS depending on whether the other person has iMessage or not. It's odd how you'd complain about iMessage when it seems to be the feature most Android users wish Google would adopt. [QUOTE] and browse with Safari.[/QUOTE] You don't have to use Safari. If you use Chrome you can install that on iOS and get all the same features and syncing abilities. [QUOTE]You need to sync all your data on iCloud. These are all interwoven and god help you if you want to use something else.[/QUOTE] iCloud isn't mandatory. You can use an iPhone just fine without ever registering or logging into iCloud. But even if you do I don't see how this is an issue? It's literally no different to signing into your Google account on an Android phone. [QUOTE]On top of that there are industry standards Apple just doesn't follow because they're allowed to get away with it. Bluetooth has been a thing for years, but Apple didn't like talking to every other device out there with an existing standard so AirDrop and AirPlay exist, and standard bluetooth connection is extremely difficult.[/QUOTE] Bluetooth is supported just fine, that's more to do with file transfers not being a thing on iOS due to the nature of the OS. Also why bring up AirDrop here, when it's more similar to Beam or S Beam? Neither of those are "open" either, they're just features for their own platform. Also AirPlay has nothing to do with Bluetooth, it's just Apple's protocol for audio and video streaming over networks, kinda like how Chromecast works. [QUOTE]Contactless payment has existed for 5 years but Apple has no interest in using the well-established NFC antenna so it made it's own technology and introduced Apple Pay - and they're so big that companies are mass adopting it anyway even though as you say "45% share isn't a monopoly".[/QUOTE] And this is where I lose all hope in you knowing what you're talking about. Apple Pay literally just uses NFC, and it's compatible with pre-exististing contactless terminals. I have no idea what makes you believe they've created some new technology that's shutting out everyone else. Also I can't believe you write this as if Apple Pay is a bad thing, when it's finally giving mobile payments the boost it's needed. Contactless payments have existed for a while, yes, but Google failed to do much with it. Now it's seeing greater adoption, and Android Pay is coming out because of this. It's a win for everyone. And yes, "45% share isn't a monopoly". Do you have any idea what a monopoly actually is?
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