Trump demands border wall, visa changes as part of immigration fix
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[QUOTE]WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Friday he would not consider reinstating an immigration program that protected young people from deportation without a commitment from Democrats to help build a wall on the border with Mexico and end certain immigration programs.
The debate on immigration will be a pivotal issue in Washington in early 2018 ahead of midterm congressional elections in November.
In September, Trump ended the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, which protected young people from deportation who had been brought to the United States illegally as children, and gave Congress until March to devise a long-term solution.
Democrats have pushed for DACA to continue, but Trump, a Republican, has said that will not happen without the end to various visa programs and the construction of a wall along the southern U.S. border.[/QUOTE]
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build the wall and let mexico pay for it, they aren't sending their best! :downs:
You truly are a heartless oaf.
I mean doesn't this have to go through congress and they can't use the budget trick so they have to get at least nine dems on board.
I don't mind the concept of a border wall. It's not the worst idea ever, immigrants should immigrate legally... however, with that being said, immigrating legally should be [I]easier, not harder, with increased border security[/I]. What the fuck are you doing, trump? Allow people to become citizens so that they can work and pay taxes and live the American dream more easily, don't fucking cut out existing pathways.
[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;53014030]Border crossing is but a fraction of illegal immigration though. Most are just visa overstays.[/QUOTE]
I am aware. The wall's intent is very clearly not simply for the purpose of stopping illegal immigration.
The problem with a border wall, however, is that it's not going to do much in the long run. For the most part, most illegal immigrants immigrate with visas which expire. And drug smuggling happens mainly through other lines of transport, such as concealing them in vehicles which cross into the border zones.
Trump's proposed wall would do little to effectively curb illegal immigration and drug smuggling in the long run. It would be a complete and utter waste of money for what would essentially just amount to being nothing more than a monument to Trump's ego.
Sure, he would create jobs temporarily by having American workers construct it, but he could easily create just as much jobs, and at a much higher economic benefit, by actually using the manpower and money for the wall on shit that actually fucking matters, such as rebuilding crumbling infrustructure and adding stimulus to the economy through new productive building projects. Not this pointless fucking vanity project.
[QUOTE=phygon;53013981]I don't mind the concept of a border wall. It's not the worst idea ever, immigrants should immigrate legally... however, with that being said, immigrating legally should be [I]easier, not harder, with increased border security[/I]. What the fuck are you doing, trump? Allow people to become citizens so that they can work and pay taxes and live the American dream more easily, don't fucking cut out existing pathways.[/QUOTE]
Actually when it comes to stopping illegal immigration building a physical wall is probably the most expensive and least effective way of doing it.
[QUOTE=phygon;53013981][B]I don't mind the concept of a border wall. It's not the worst idea ever, [/B]immigrants should immigrate legally... however, with that being said, immigrating legally should be [I]easier, not harder, with increased border security[/I]. What the fuck are you doing, trump? Allow people to become citizens so that they can work and pay taxes and live the American dream more easily, don't fucking cut out existing pathways.[/QUOTE]
No, it actually is. Literally nothing about a border wall is a good idea, especially not for stopping illegal immigration
A full border wall across the ~2000 miles of the border would be the biggest money sink in the history of money sinks. Innumerable billions spent on concrete, steel, contractors, shipping, infrastructure, and fuck knows what else, all for a completely passive barrier that adds maybe an hour of extra time taken to cross the border because it can be pretty easily bypassed by such advanced technology as a ladder and/or a rope. And maybe a rug if you feel fancy enough to put some barbed wire on top. And that's on top of the part where the vast [I]vast [B]vast[/B][/I] majority of illegal immigration doesn't even come from crossing the US border illegally at all
You absolutely [I]should[/I] mind the concept of a border wall, because it is a legitimately retarded idea
I'm sure when the wall is eventually finished 20 years from now it will still seem like a great idea.
[QUOTE=Sitkero;53014076]No, it actually is. Literally nothing about a border wall is a good idea, especially not for stopping illegal immigration
A full border wall across the ~2000 miles of the border would be the biggest money sink in the history of money sinks. Innumerable billions spent on concrete, steel, contractors, shipping, infrastructure, and fuck knows what else, all for a completely passive barrier that adds maybe an hour of extra time taken to cross the border because it can be pretty easily bypassed by such advanced technology as a ladder and/or a rope. And maybe a rug if you feel fancy enough to put some barbed wire on top. And that's on top of the part where the vast [I]vast [B]vast[/B][/I] majority of illegal immigration doesn't even come from crossing the US border illegally at all
You absolutely [I]should[/I] mind the concept of a border wall, because it is a legitimately retarded idea[/QUOTE]
We actually already have a wall that covers the majority of the border. It's not like we'd have to rebuilt the entire thing.
I'd much rather see that money going towards bridge building or something but if the border wall didn't have this shitty political spin on it, at least it's a public works project. I'm just trying to see the positives in a situation that's pretty fucked. I am in no way endorsing trump or his actions, I'm just trying to stay slightly positive about the shit that we can't stop anyway.
Agree to fund the wall, on the stipulations that it be no higher than 3 cm above the ground,no thicker than 3 cm, and can not exceed 15 cm in length.
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[QUOTE=phygon;53014130]We actually already have a wall that covers the majority of the border. It's not like we'd have to rebuilt the entire thing.
I'd much rather see that money going towards bridge building or something but if the border wall didn't have this shitty political spin on it, at least it's a public works project. I'm just trying to see the positives in a situation that's pretty fucked. I am in no way endorsing trump or his actions, I'm just trying to stay slightly positive about the shit that we can't stop anyway.[/QUOTE]
1) no, our border fences are pretty sparce, 2) the actual wall trump wants is 30 feet tall and spans the entire border and would most likely be a mix of precast concrete and steel, extremely expensive, if you have doubts go look at the prototypes that we taxpayers have already wasted millions of dollars on
Honestly I wouldn't mind the idea of money being pumped into border enforcement, training personnel and officers for the purpose, etc. That's policy that at least makes sense, and comes from a place I can understand. You could argue back and forth about whether the US has a fair system for legal immigration or not but illegal immigration isn't something that should really be cheered on or encouraged.
That said, the wall is fucking virtue signalling. It's inefficient, ineffective, and exists only as a means of pandering to simpletons who don't understand the concept that oftentimes the 'naive' solution to a problem is a fucking horrible one.
He's literally extorting the suffering of children for political power. There were better written Captain Planet villains.
[QUOTE=froztshock;53014263]Honestly I wouldn't mind the idea of money being pumped into border enforcement, training personnel and officers for the purpose, etc. That's policy that at least makes sense, and comes from a place I can understand. You could argue back and forth about whether the US has a fair system for legal immigration or not but illegal immigration isn't something that should really be cheered on or encouraged.
That said, the wall is fucking virtue signalling. It's inefficient, ineffective, and exists only as a means of pandering to simpletons who don't understand the concept that oftentimes the 'naive' solution to a problem is a fucking horrible one.[/QUOTE]
Great except it increased the number of undocumented workers in the US.
Now, instead of coming to the US, working, and then returning to their families, they come to the US and stay because it is riskier to return.
As a disclaimer, I don't really care that there are more in the US, I'm just pointing out that the policy does the opposite of what it seeks to accomplish.
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