Palestinians Break Israel's Wall for the 20th anniversary of Berlin Wall's collapse
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[img]http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images//2009/11/9/2009119164552805738_20.jpg[/img]
[img]http://images.alarabiya.net/large_57746_90724.jpg[/img]
[img]http://images.alarabiya.net/palestinianwall1_4289_2882.jpg[/img]
[quote=Al Jazeera English]Palestinians and foreign activists have torn down segments of Israel's separation wall in a demonstration marking the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall.
In the town of Qalandiya in the occupied West Bank, a group of masked activists using a lorry pulled down a two-metre cement block before Israeli security forces confronted them with tear gas grenades.
Several of the estimated 50 demonstrators passed through the hole they had made, hoisting a Palestinian flag and setting ablaze tyres on the other side.
Protesters were wearing shirts with the text "Jerusalem we are coming", which was the slogan for the protest.
Abdullah Abu Rahma, leader of the People's Campaign to Fight the Wall, said: "Today we commemorate 20 years since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
"This is the beginning of the activities, which we do, to express our hold on our land, and our refusal to this wall - the wall of torture, the wall of humiliation."
Activists have vowed to hold a week of protests in the Palestinian territories and around the world, including a campaign calling for the release of all anti-wall activists currently imprisoned.
Last Friday, Palestinian youths almost toppled a segment of wall using a hydraulic car-jack in the West Bank village of Nilin.[/quote]
To mark the anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, Palestinians attempt to recreate the fall by destroying a wall that has been dividing them for [B][U][I]many [/I][/U][/B] years, unfortunately, unlike the Berlin Wall, Israel's separation wall still stands today.
Source: [url]http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/11/2009119151639325464.html[/url]
Some pictures of the wall:
[img]http://campaigns.libdems.org.uk/user_images/703_n736880310_353679_6664.jpg[/img]
[img]http://cache.virtualtourist.com/2462815-The_wall_by_Rachels_tomb_in_Betlehem-Palestine.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.amores.ch/images/banksy.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.briansewell.com/images/segregation-wall-palestine.jpg[/img]
[quote=Alarabiyah]Perhaps the Palestinian people should take a page out of the German people's book. [url]http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/11/09/90724.html[/url][/quote]
Wow, those artwork are really great
It is nice how this day is commemorated all around the world. Hopefully that day will stand as an example to help break down all the other walls on the world still existing in the 21st century.:banjo:
[QUOTE=Chainsaw;18282087]Wow, those artwork are really great[/QUOTE]
I agree, here's a few good ones I liked. You can find many others on Google.
[img]http://www.wishtank.org/img/2007/banksy/palestine1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/banksy-palestine-wall-graffiti.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Poltergeist Three;18282093]It is nice how this day is commemorated all around the world. Hopefully that day will stand as an example to help break down all the other walls on the world still existing in the 21st century.:banjo:[/QUOTE]
Then what will keep the foxes out my garden?
all the artwork on the wall is really cool
[QUOTE=starpluck;18282169]I agree, here's a few good ones I liked. You can find many others on Google.
[img]http://www.wishtank.org/img/2007/banksy/palestine1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/banksy-palestine-wall-graffiti.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Yeah, those are all by Banksy.
Well fuck, since that wall was put up suicide bombings in israel have been quite rare.
I wouldn't say it's been completely useless.
[QUOTE=Theater;18284189]Well fuck, since that wall was put up suicide bombings in israel have been quite rare.
I wouldn't say it's been completely useless.[/QUOTE]
and when the berlin wall was put up there were a lot less skilled workers leaving east germany :downs:
the israeli wall treats a symptom, not the problem.
[QUOTE=Conscript;18284285]and when the berlin wall was put up there were a lot less skilled workers leaving east germany :downs:
the israeli wall treats a symptom, not the problem.[/QUOTE]
And how would you define treating the problem?
[QUOTE=archangel125;18284312]And how would you define treating the problem?[/QUOTE]
start by not letting Palestinians live like trash and herding them into a ghetto, then leaving them with little to no electricity or running water. there's a reason why Palestinians turn to extremists in [i]extreme[/i] conditions.
unfortunately israel's stubborn, hostile, and chauvinist attitude to the Palestinians and the middle east in general is only dragging them down into a deeper and deeper hole.
I think that this might just be one of the greyest wars in terms of morality I've ever seen. You have Israel playing the part of the big bad oppressors, and the Palestinians fighting back with guerilla tactics. Many innocent civilians killed on both sides of the conflict. The only truly evil people involved, I think, are the corporate figures who keep the war going because it is in their interest, and the leaders/officials in charge of the 'Jihad' camps. For the love of.... If you're going to train guerilla warriors, don't tell them that they're fighting in the name of some god.
[QUOTE=Theater;18284189]Well fuck, since that wall was put up suicide bombings in israel have been quite rare.
I wouldn't say it's been completely useless.[/QUOTE]
That's because most of them are busy in Iraq and Afghanistan.
This wall has caused a lot of problems for ordinary people living in the West Bank and Gaza strip. It makes it hard for supplies to move in and out and pretty much destroys the local economy.
The protest graffiti and art on the wall is very nicely done and I think acts like this at least make us rethink the situation as to whether the situation is as black and white as bad guy good guy.
well, [i]all[/i] wars are grey in morality. also, I'm not having Israel do anything, I'm only stating the obvious. i despise both sides, israel being an oppressive figure acting in its own interests and the radical islamists as violent reactionaries. also, the middle east for the past 100 years has been fighting foreign powers and puppet states of foreign powers.
the reason why islam is so prevalent in palestinian and middle eastern nationalism is simple, because its deeply ingrained in the culture. even when a wave of communism swept the middle east, they tried to combine it with islam.
[QUOTE=MercZ;18284727]That's because most of the suicide bombers are busy in Iraq and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]
no, not really
The ones fighting the U.S. and the ones fighting Israel are from two totally separate groups. There's a whole bunch of different countries and different organizations over there, you know.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18284768]no, not really
The ones fighting the U.S. and the ones fighting Israel are from two totally separate groups. There's a whole bunch of different countries and different organizations over there, you know.[/QUOTE]
No shit, anyone knows that.
However they all have common enemies and a shared set of ideals in regards to western oppression and exploitation. Many of them also have a common source of funding and support. It's not too common to see different groups move around depending on where the money is the best.
Israel was a battlefield for most of them up until the US became more directly involved in Middle-East affairs.
What I met is if you want to join *insert group*, you're more likely to get the money doing that in Iraq and Afghanistan currently. There's more demand for them there because it's a more exploitable situation, and most resources are being directed towards that.
I'm just judging by the way things used to work before 2003. Back in the 90s anyone can remember nearly everyday there was a suicide bomb or car bomb in Israel. After 2003 those started becoming more rare because most of the original funding and manpower that was being sent to Palestine went else where, mainly to Iraq and Afghanistan.
I'm just pointing out the Wall isn't really solely responsible for the decline of the violence in Israel. There have been significant changes in the political landscape of the region that have also contributed to a shift in violence to other areas.
Though when I see it, they seemed to've put another group of people into a large ghetto. The only time the wall has been altered is if they needed to expand settlement zones, so at this point in time it no longer seems to be purely a security measure.
[QUOTE=archangel125;18284542]I think that this might just be one of the greyest wars in terms of morality I've ever seen. You have Israel playing the part of the big bad oppressors, and the Palestinians fighting back with guerilla tactics. Many innocent civilians killed on both sides of the conflict. The only truly evil people involved, I think, are the corporate figures who keep the war going because it is in their interest, and the leaders/officials in charge of the 'Jihad' camps. For the love of.... If you're going to train guerilla warriors, don't tell them that they're fighting in the name of some god.[/QUOTE]
What jihad camps?
[QUOTE=Warhol;18285121]What jihad camps?[/QUOTE]
I think he ment muslim fundamentalist guerilla training camps.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18284768]no, not really
The ones fighting the U.S. and the ones fighting Israel are from two totally separate groups. There's a whole bunch of different countries and different organizations over there, you know.[/QUOTE]
literally all terrorists are muslim though. don't you know this.
hope the entire wall gets torn down, and israel's oppression on the palestinian people finally ends one day.
[QUOTE=Urkel01;18285489]literally all terrorists are muslim though. don't you know this.
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Sarcasm, I hope.
[QUOTE=MercZ;18284727]That's because most of them are busy in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Saying ignorant things like that makes you look retarded.
Israel is a militaristic state and they're basically violating every one of the Palestinians basic rights. They remove them from their homes, they take away their decency and lower their standard of life, they demolish entire blocks of houses to find "terrorists" they bomb neighborhoods.
I don't support suicide bombing, but I don't support Zionists either. You shouldn't imply that all Arabs are fighting for the same thing, because they aren't.
A lot of the artwork in the OP is by Banksy if you like it.
I thought muslims couldn't draw pictures of humans..
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;18285949]I thought muslims couldn't draw pictures of humans..[/QUOTE]
Nah, just not of Mohammed. Besides, there are plenty of Palestinian christians, as well. This is more about rights and freedom than religion.
[QUOTE=Noba_Fett]I thought muslims couldn't draw pictures of humans..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=archangel125;18285994]Nah, just not of Mohammed. Besides, there are plenty of Palestinian christians, as well. This is more about rights and freedom than religion.[/QUOTE]
Actually, you [I]can[/I](technically) depict Mohammad, just not his face. That's the issue Muslims have, I really don't feel like typing out a paragraph explaining it. Go look it up on Wikipedia.
The Wahabbist Fundamentalists are the one against depictions of people entirely; You can't even take a picture of a person or even record them with a camcorder. Also look this up.
[QUOTE=Wayword;18285553]Saying ignorant things like that makes you look retarded.
Israel is a militaristic state and they're basically violating every one of the Palestinians basic rights. They remove them from their homes, they take away their decency and lower their standard of life, they demolish entire blocks of houses to find "terrorists" they bomb neighborhoods.
I don't support suicide bombing, but I don't support Zionists either. You shouldn't imply that all Arabs are fighting for the same thing, because they aren't.[/QUOTE]
Look, I'm on the side of the Palestinians. If you read my other post I'm opposed to this wall. When I said "them", I'm referring to the terrorists, some of whom may have not been Palestinian and came from out of the country as an opportunity to make money off a volatile situation.
I'm just disputing this idea that Israel has built this wall PURELY for security reasons, and attributing the decline in terrorist attacks to the construction of the wall while blatantly ignoring the fact that the various organizations have shifted their attention elsewhere because that's where their funding is going.
I personally think this wall has other purposes and trying to justify it with saying "WE'RE KEEPING THE TERRORISTS OUT" is immature0 to me the wall is a way to marginalize the Palestinians into a ghetto-like living conditions and continue expanding the illegal settlements. I'm only calling bullshit on that, but I worded my response poorly and made myself look like a neo-con now that I look at it.
I was just pointing this out because I think the wall is a sign of oppression, rather than one of security. People are trying to paint it as one of security in order to discredit the movement against the building of this wall and the stands people have been making against them- by graffiti, by protesting the occupation by the IDF, and so on.
history in the making
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