Today I'd like to debate who's even smart enough to run the United States of America after Obama.
Note: Obama is up for reelection, don't discuss this as I'd like to get an idea on what FP thinks of the others, not the current president.
Right now I believe the only sane canidate in the Republican party is Ron Paul. I know you'll throw the evolution bullshit at me, but that's personal opinions and every President has his own personal opinion.
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The main problem I have with Ron Paul is his economic policies, which I pretty much completely disagree with.
I don't think abolishing the fed is the answer, I don't think commodity-backed currency is the answer, and I definitely don't agree with his idea of severely limiting the size of the federal government and further deregulation, given current economic times.
At a glance, Ron Paul seems like the least evil. I mean look at the candidates. Don't they resemble a villain in a movie or how the devil always takes form? A middle aged man in a crisp suit.
Any way, I haven't taken much notice. I do not think I will be voting for the candidates that have bad histories (Such as Gingrich) and candidates with sex scandals and such because if they cheat on their partner, what's stopping them from cheating their friends and co-workers?
Going to be a tough decision, Obama is in consideration for me and then probably Paul. We'll see how it pans out.
I prefer Huntsman. And I have nothing wrong with sex scandals. My problems with Gingrich are his policies.
Huntsman does make the most sense, but he'll never get passed primaries.
I personally feel that Obama has fallen through on many things concerning promises made before his presidency, but I consider him the lesser evil compared to most of the GOP candidates. The only exception is Ron Paul, whose tough love economic policies and lessened foreign intervention policies might be what this country needs to get back on track. He is also not extremely outspoken on issues like gay rights, and instead opts to leave it up to state governments and local communities. If it (hopefully) comes down to Ron Paul vs Obama, it will be a very hard decision for me.
Not a single Republican in the race is "smart" enough to go after Obama when they all want is to return to some form of the previous presidency (which caused most of these economic issues we're suffering through now). They are intolerant socially and so out of touch with modern American issues (and trying really hard not to show it or be contrary to them and failing) that it's just not worth the risk of getting one of these Dinosaurs (excluding Santorum) into a position as fraught with power as the Presidency. Newt fucking Gingrich is on the polls. Newt was a fucking disgrace in the 90s and that isn't destined to change.
Just about Ron Paul until I can procrastinate more from studying for my midterms (and apparently he's number 2 in the New Hampshire polls?):
[B]Ron Paul[/B]? Oh yay, another strict constitutionalist. When you actually read up on American history, Ron, say hello to Jefferson for me. Those Democratic-Republicans sure were useful (until Hamilton came along, and dangnabbit, showed us that the Constitution cannot be held strictly in an ever-changing world. Oh, and by the by, a strict constitutionalist view means that there is no association of federal limitations to the state. The State would not have to abide by any case law or say, the Bill of Rights, created by the Fed if challenged. He's a libertarian, and just look how that turns out anywhere you go. Someone doesn't have health insurance? Fuck them, they don't deserve societal support. He is also a massive hypocrite, does not support homosexuality or anything associated with it (supported DOMA), thinks that it's possible to enforce abortion restrictions without imposing restrictions, and thinks evolution isn't true (despite being a "Doctor") and that creationism should be taught in classrooms.
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Did I mention he wants religion in schools again, overturning Abington School District v. Schempp and going against the very document he wants to fuck in the ass.
Obama. We managed to keep the country alive for 4 years under him so far and he doesn't have anything nearly as wrong with him as the republicans do (plenty of religious fanatics, a strict constitutionalist/isolationist, a guy who brought home a dead baby, and Huntsman is too far behind).
As a Boy Scout, farmer and air force Pilot, Rick Perry is about american as you can get.
With his tough stance on crime and his successful governance of Texas, I believe he'd make the best leader of the free world.
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;34189538]As a Boy Scout, farmer and air force Pilot, Rick Perry is about american as you can get.
With his tough stance on crime and his successful governance of Texas, I believe he'd make the best leader of the free world.[/QUOTE]
As a God-Fearing freedom loving american, Rick Perry is the best.
fuck da gays.
But really, Ron Paul looks pretty good.
Apparently we aren't supposed to talk about Obama, but that's who I would vote for.
I'm not thrilled about it, but all of the Republicans are crazy.
Huntsman is the least crazy, but lets be real he has no chance of winning the primaries. And he's a mormon, so he wears magic underwear (Romney as well).
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[QUOTE=Jaehead;34188431]The main problem I have with Ron Paul is his economic policies, which I pretty much completely disagree with.
I don't think abolishing the fed is the answer, I don't think commodity-backed currency is the answer, and I definitely don't agree with his idea of severely limiting the size of the federal government and further deregulation, given current economic times.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Ron Paul goes against just about every modern Economic theory, and advocates for stuff that was tossed out more than one hundred years ago.
Cool, he has his own opinions, but I'm going to take people with PhDs in Economics more seriously.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;34189826]Apparently we aren't supposed to talk about Obama, but that's who I would vote for.
I'm not thrilled about it, but all of the Republicans are crazy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I don't think any Progressives are happy about it, but in this climate a vote for a third party is a vote for the opposition.
None of them, they're all insane. After watching the Iowa Caucas, I forgot whether we're voting for a president or a moron celebrity. I don't really care who wins, nothing will really change. Things would get worse, yeah, but nothing would really change.
So yeah, who wants to move to Switzerland with me? I hear their citizens still have rights.
I don't believe any of them are fit to run this country, incumbent included. They all seem hell bent on fucking shit up in their own unique way, none of them want to take care of pressing matters such as the fucking national debt. Of the choices at hand I'd rather keep what we have than let any of these GOP loons get anywhere near the oval office, they'll be the ruination of this entire country.
Maybe even the world at large. Their foriegn policy is likely to make the doomsday clock tick, and as much as I like watching nukes I don't want to see us back to 2 minutes to midnight.
[video=youtube;DFXXAuDK1Ao]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFXXAuDK1Ao[/video]
Sorry, the boot on his head renders his candidates' political views invalid.
He has a very poorly made website, but he has a video on it of him interviewing about religion and homosexuality issues in the deep south. I think he has the right ideals if he would've took it seriously but in order to do so he'd have to come up with a very large sum of money.
(by ideals I didn't mean his pony laws, zombie awareness plans, or other satirical comments in this video. if you actually look him up he does all this out of protest of how fucked up the political system is)
Gary Johnson or Jon Huntsman
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;34189597]
But really, Ron Paul looks pretty good.[/QUOTE]
His policies were outdated in the 19th century.
RP is who I WAS going to back, but then he turned out to be a massive racist and a liar, sadly. I guess Obama for me.
His politics didn't exist in the 19th century
[QUOTE=DylanWilson;34191759][video=youtube;DFXXAuDK1Ao]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFXXAuDK1Ao[/video]
Sorry, the boot on his head renders his candidates' political views invalid.
He has a very poorly made website, but he has a video on it of him interviewing about religion and homosexuality issues in the deep south. I think he has the right ideals if he would've took it seriously but in order to do so he'd have to come up with a very large sum of money.
(by ideals I didn't mean his pony laws, zombie awareness plans, or other satirical comments in this video. if you actually look him up he does all this out of protest of how fucked up the political system is)[/QUOTE]
He is obviously satirical, calm down.
I'd go with Ron Paul, if I'd live in the states.
[QUOTE=Conscript;34198713]His politics didn't exist in the 19th century[/QUOTE]
Jefferson (Thomas and Davis).
Stick with Obama guys, everyone else just seems nuts.
All of the candidates are awful. Unless the GOP can pull a decent candidate out of thin air (as in someone who isn't one of the current runners), I probably won't be voting next election.
Stephen Colbert.
obama
he hasn't really done anything wrong
no one really stands out except for obama and ron paul and i don't like ron paul
Well he may have not done anything wrong but exactly what has he done right? He proposes a lot of stuff but falls through with it. He has done good in terms of civil liberties but that is hardly what this election is going to be about. Its going to be about fixing the economy.
heh, correct me if I'm wrong but no Republican candidate seems to know what is good for the economy
all of them are anti-regulation, no?
If you don't want to turn your country into a shithole, stick with Obama. None of the Republican candidates are fit to run the US in a decent way.
But Obama too has his issues. Hell, the entire political system of the US is in dire need of a clean-up.
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[QUOTE=Snuffy;34198935]All of the candidates are awful. Unless the GOP can pull a decent candidate out of thin air (as in someone who isn't one of the current runners), I probably won't be voting next election.[/QUOTE]
Vote for Obama. Do not let any of the Republican candidates win.
[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;34199395]Well he may have not done anything wrong but exactly what has he done right? He proposes a lot of stuff but falls through with it. He has done good in terms of civil liberties but that is hardly what this election is going to be about. Its going to be about fixing the economy.[/QUOTE]
And lower taxes and phasing out of social programs is in no way going to fix the economy. Obama caves to the GOP quite a bit, but between him and Ron Paul, I'll choose Obama.
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