• Philosophy Megathread, Contemplation and Discussion
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Ratings give rise to expectations, expectations give rise to anxiety and anxiety is a causal effect of an attachment to who you believe you should be. Everyone makes uncharacteristic decisions when the state of our mood dictates an action. Our mood is closely related to a sense of perceiving purpose behind the nature of our behavior, that is why we form a self-view. Hinduism teaches us that finding our true identity is becoming incarnated as one of the many forms of God, that is why there is so many of them. According to their faith, almost all of the Gods have a story of making mistakes, this is a teaching based on understanding that the true nature of being is making choices that sometimes conflict with the perception we have on the expectations of other beings. Buddhism reject the notion of Gods and incarnation, stating that there is no self, that we are just mental processes that experience suffering when desire is not proportional with the fundamental needs of being alive. Understanding that self-view is created out of a desire to have a unique persona while attempting to blend in, there is a sense of ego fabricating a split apprehension on what it means to be approved in the established perception on engaging in the rules of social convention. Eliminating the desire to either be unique or to adhere to a norm extinguishes the need for having an ego, and therefore suffering in becoming can cease when realizing that the nature of your behavior is a karmic circumstance on the law of cause and effect through being a product of an environment you have no control over. Awakening though is being aware that there is no self and so clinging to the reactions of other people is unnecessary, because the nature of expressing oneself is conditioned, shaped by surrounding existence. Escaping suffering is seeing that our mind can be unconditioned by mindfully watching desires and base decisions on pursuing what paves the path to a long-term goal in liberation from existing in routines that are ultimately unsatisfactory. Then, we can achieve supreme self-actualization and live in peaceful harmony with being sentient, this is what Buddhists call nirvana. Islam states itself to be the latest edition of monotheistic religion, the complete, universal primordial faith, and therefore, the true one. The prophet Muhammad was the last of the messengers of God. For muslims, the purpose of life is to worship God. There is no God but Allah and not following the revelations of Muhammad is sinful disobedience and the term for non-believers is kuffar, a degrading label which suggests a sense of promoted blissful state of worship by considering themselves to be the true practitioners of divine awareness. The holy book of Qur'an not only consists of rhetorical verses to induce religious experiences to those already engaged in worship, it also proposes a divine plan to mold a society based on what is called Sharia law. Believing it to be the ultimate form of livelihood. Concerning the perspective on Jihad, formally it means holy war, and the interpretations are many, but mainly it is a command to protect the existence of Islam. Performing Jihad can be anything from offering a lost agnostic to read the holy book for spiritual guidance to suicide bombing. Suicidal acts in the name of holy war is an interesting concept. Other monotheistic religions like Judaism and Christianity defines God in its simplest definition as love. Allah is expressed to have great compassion and the Jihad martyr will get a great reward in Jannah (heaven), while sinful behavior will get you to Jahannam (hell) as punishment. Now comes the interesting part, how can an act of terror on secular societies be considered a conviction of compassion and love? This all comes down to understanding faith, not just in Islam, but other religions as well. Evolution teaches us that life depends on competition, which constitutes struggle and suffering as adaptation to existential, environmental success depends on hunting, hiding and genetically transcending. Even plants compete in the sense of spreading seeds and claiming territory to deprive their fellow cousins of resources necessary to continue their genetic heritage. Through natural selection for billions of years, humanity transcended the limitations that would make us vulnerable to extinction in the sense of being succeeded by a hostile adaptation of another life form. Here does God enter the picture, our intellect provided us with the rejection of competition. That is why he is compassionate, this is why theists say he is love. The bible says God sacrificed his only son, Jesus, just to show us that he loves us. Mankind transcended evolution itself, by manifesting the notion of non-competition. Sacrificing ourselves to make room for others, the individual does not require struggle to ensure the survival of its own race. Islamic Jihad extremists, celibacy and holiness (priesthood) which does not follow natural selection, buddhist monks living on one meal per day owning nothing. Martyrdom is the most effective method of delivering the message that love is the most powerful force in the world. We could even say its omnipotent, how about calling it God? God created man in his own image, because we have the intellectual capacity to understand that rather than instinctively eliminating that which is not like us, traits that was conditioned by evolution, we start creating differences using love to embrace all of sentient existence. These traits cause creation, this explains young earth Creationism, they want to set the beginning measurement of time at this notion of creation, the earliest known form of taking action by this divine behavior, creation, love. Therefore they can state that God created the world, because compassionate construction built all that we know, homes for the homeless, food for the poor and knowledge for the fools. Creationism finds measuring time at the process of humanity achieving the position of loving construction to be the beginning of the world as we will know it. While some atheistic methods of measuring the beginning of the universe are not even trustworthy. In quantum mechanics, the uncertainty principle presented that if we send a particle small enough towards two holes, measuring one of the holes showed that it went through the one being looked at, while measuring the other gave the same result. Discovering the age of the universe as 13.7 billion years old is interesting, since looking at the beginning have produced theories that quantum fluctuations caused the Big Bang. But this makes me question if time is a conceivable concept enough for humans to fully calculate accurately. Maybe it is the uncertainty principle all over again, if we look for a beginning particle, we will see one, but just because we looked. We separate day from night by light, we separate month from year by the rotation of our solar system, and hypothetically time slows down approaching dense objects, like a black hole, it not being dense would just mean bigger, like seeing the difference between the rotation of earth around itself to designate days and the entire rotation around the sun to experience it to be years. So, if time is based on the size and density of the object and the Big Bang theory states that the entire universe was the size of an atom before it expanded, then how can there conceptually be a beginning? From our perspective, time moves with our perception of reality, but the beginning of the universe is probably just an illusion as the further back we go, the expanding universe de-accelerates, with density increasing at the same time. Relativity is the word for this, we can calculate a beginning because we perceive time at a certain pace but as it changes the method of calculation must change too, there probably never was a beginning. Vajrayana Buddhism holds the belief that everything is a fabrication of our mind. With the uncertainty principle, the relativity of time, seeing a beginning of the universe simply because we are watching through our own scope of time. Which are determined by the speed of the neuro-synaptic signals that travels our brain by the way. We are the manifestation of God, the supreme awareness of existential reality born out of evolutionary competition until the limit of environmental adaptation was reached. Now we delight in creation, by technology and religious traditions like Hanukkah and Christmas. Obligated gift-giving, just to celebrate the existence of our ability to transcend the nature of nature with love and compassion using a tree to help us remember the truest form of being; Being able to reflect that some things are not able to reflect. What can we take from this knowledge? That everything you think about others and yourself is a web of illusions, because there is no competition anymore, you are above nature, senses stranded in time. The experience of an evolutionary process of a collective mind defining its own purpose by creating its own world of pleasure and bliss. Buddhism tells us about rebirth too, so we are already an immortal, all-knowing entity with the capacity to create anything. Determinism dictates there is only one outcome of every situation, quantum mechanics on the other hand tells us the outcome is uncertain. I would say, determinism shaped the fundamental structure that allowed humanity to reach this point, which maybe is why time moves forward, because memories is the evolutionary heritage of deterministic darwinism. But when abundance and love transcended evolution, the mind must create its own desires and purposes, which as at this point I would perceive as possibilities based on uncertainty, since the legacy of our existence is abundantly provided for, and there is no higher function in evolution than survival, maybe transcending evolution is the reason we are conscious? Because abundantly being provided for, a new existence is unfolding, the birth of a being merging with quantum mechanics so that we experience the process of being found beyond the limitations of our past, being animals and finding food. Rebirth is just realizing that there is no self, just mental processes that change depending on interaction with the external. Everyone of us have the same experience when interacting with the external, and communication is based on exchanging differences in reality, but there really are no differences in our realities when it comes to touch, smell, taste, hearing and vision. My conclusion is that there is no individual point of consciousness, only deterministic heritage from before our race lost our place in nature and now we embark on a new journey based in technology and quantum uncertainty, the collective process of being God. We create reality now. Being compassionate, not being greedy, not having prejudices, not lying and having no ill-will binds our collective experience of this even tighter and separates us from the animals that live so instinctively it is questionable they even possess an awareness like ours. Competition stalls creation, love fuels creation. What does life engage in when no longer part of the purpose of its design? Addiction? Animalistic behavior? How do we define destiny based on pure knowledge and understanding in simply being aware? Be no one, take pure actions and float in the dream of reality, for experiencing is simply reflecting upon the non-reflective shadow of your ancestors, being one with the universe following the awakening of mind. Love has set you free.
I liked it when Diogenes went to the academy and told Plato he was an idiot because he defined a man as "featherless biped". Also when Socrates confessed that he didn't know anything.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49957902]Also when Socrates confessed that he didn't know anything.[/QUOTE] The Buddhist term for reality is Maya, which means illusion. The oldest indian Vedic scriptures describes that true knowledge comes from examining the internal experience and not the external world. Both of those statements align with the fact that holy men from both religions can expose their body to suffering, such as starvation, yet experience peace. The scientific method is an endless process of gathering knowledge from the external world, calculating stars and galaxies, measuring irrational numbers and mapping DNA. Claiming internal experiences to be non-empirical and not reliable. So what is knowledge? What does it mean to know something? We can't really define a true reality since our senses are designed by evolution, because there is no longer an attachment to the constraints of nature where they were adapted to fit in. Our entire view of the universe could be obscured by the limitations of our origins. So time might just be the product of reflecting upon the non-reflective, a new dimension of perceiving the limitations of reality. Existence by science, non-existence by holiness, time because of their separation, just like matter and anti-matter defines time and existence itself by not colliding. When atheistic empirism collides with theistic faith there is destruction and chaos as their colliding energy cancels the sense of internal and external separation. Ultimately by death, the canceling of the two worlds. The internal mourns, the external logically confirms. Experience is just the acknowledgment that there is an observer of an illusion. I conclude that reality is the condition of there being both something and nothing at the same time because either one is incompatible with eternity and understanding the notion of both these states is seeing that existence must be either one, but can't be stuck in only one of them as that would negate time. Defining time by the choices being made by true sentience to indulge in either complexity by observation or non-complexity by closing your eyes in bliss. Is this knowledge?
[QUOTE=Solodris;49958537]The Buddhist term for reality is Maya, which means illusion. The oldest indian Vedic scriptures describes that true knowledge comes from examining the internal experience and not the external world. Both of those statements align with the fact that holy men from both religions can expose their body to suffering, such as starvation, yet experience peace. The scientific method is an endless process of gathering knowledge from the external world, calculating stars and galaxies, measuring irrational numbers and mapping DNA. Claiming internal experiences to be non-empirical and not reliable. So what is knowledge? What does it mean to know something? We can't really define a true reality since our senses are designed by evolution, because there is no longer an attachment to the constraints of nature where they were adapted to fit in. Our entire view of the universe could be obscured by the limitations of our origins. So time might just be the product of reflecting upon the non-reflective, a new dimension of perceiving the limitations of reality. Existence by science, non-existence by holiness, time because of their separation, just like matter and anti-matter defines time and existence itself by not colliding. When atheistic empirism collides with theistic faith there is destruction and chaos as their colliding energy cancels the sense of internal and external separation. Ultimately by death, the canceling of the two worlds. The internal mourns, the external logically confirms. Experience is just the acknowledgment that there is an observer of an illusion. I conclude that reality is the condition of there being both something and nothing at the same time because either one is incompatible with eternity and understanding the notion of both these states is seeing that existence must be either one, but can't be stuck in only one of them as that would negate time. Defining time by the choices being made by true sentience to indulge in either complexity by observation or non-complexity by closing your eyes in bliss. Is this knowledge?[/QUOTE] I don't really see much contradiction between theistic religion and empiricism.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49958829]I don't really see much contradiction between theistic religion and empiricism.[/QUOTE] I just looked the word up in the dictionary and figured out I have had a misunderstanding of its meaning. What I meant was the rejection of faith while clinging to observable data.
so what do you believe in yourself
That everything has what is called dependent origination, equal experiences that get different designations as they are lost when whispered, ear to ear from person to person. So different realities are born based on what name they inherit, creating split understanding between human beings. This is why humans behave so differently among each other while animals do not. There is a collective experience of divinity in humanity, just taking different forms based on traditions that make sure it is not forgotten. The ones calling themselves messengers, prophets, son of God or enlightened ones saw the potential in collective labor, seeing how a message through time can produce an outcome where paradise is achieved. I'm referring to the the holy books of the Torah, Bible and Qur'an. We call it faith because we are not certain what the messengers saw. I believe humanity will always be divided by groups because of these differences, there is no paradise to be built because there is no agreement on which faith to be true so I subscribed to Buddhism; The rejection of faith and a practice in the here and now to achieve liberation from the unsatisfactory modern world where finding purpose is almost impossible and addiction is abundant. We need to turn back to nature and find our function in basic survival while being in a group so there is no isolation or depression.
[QUOTE=Solodris;49959779]I believe humanity will always be divided by groups because of these differences, there is no paradise to be built because there is no agreement on which faith to be true so I subscribed to Buddhism; The rejection of faith and a practice in the here and now to achieve liberation from the unsatisfactory modern world where finding purpose is almost impossible and addiction is abundant. We need to [B]turn back to nature and find our function in basic survival [/B]while being in a group so there is no isolation or depression.[/QUOTE] i do not think you understand how how unwise that would be, if anything technology is a requirement for us all to group together, communication, the ability to connect every human at the same time, to let us become unified, and to decide as one
[QUOTE=despair3173;49959903]i do not think you understand how how unwise that would be, if anything technology is a requirement for us all to group together, communication, the ability to connect every human at the same time, to let us become unified, and to decide as one[/QUOTE] I get your point. But to what end though? Anything technology can give us will ultimately be unsatisfying as the nature of reality is to change.
[QUOTE=Solodris;49959779]That everything has what is called dependent origination, equal experiences that get different designations as they are lost when whispered, ear to ear from person to person. So different realities are born based on what name they inherit, creating split understanding between human beings. This is why humans behave so differently among each other while animals do not. There is a collective experience of divinity in humanity, just taking different forms based on traditions that make sure it is not forgotten. The ones calling themselves messengers, prophets, son of God or enlightened ones saw the potential in collective labor, seeing how a message through time can produce an outcome where paradise is achieved. I'm referring to the the holy books of the Torah, Bible and Qur'an. We call it faith because we are not certain what the messengers saw. I believe humanity will always be divided by groups because of these differences, there is no paradise to be built because there is no agreement on which faith to be true so I subscribed to Buddhism; The rejection of faith and a practice in the here and now to achieve liberation from the unsatisfactory modern world where finding purpose is almost impossible and addiction is abundant. We need to turn back to nature and find our function in basic survival while being in a group so there is no isolation or depression.[/QUOTE] you're against isolation and depression yet choose a religion which is barely practised by anyone in your country, rather than engaging in the religion of either your family or local community where you can experience being in a community rather than being alone buddhism is inextricably tied to the culture with which it originated. Buddhism in the west is primarily practised by beardo malcontents i chose Catholicism because its the biggest and most widespread religion in the world with an ancient history and importance - but also primarily because multiple family members and friends are catholics are well. by doing this i have gone a long way towards finding purpose in life, controlling addictive and self-destructive behaviours, and banishing the demon of depression and isolation
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49960178]you're against isolation and depression yet choose a religion which is barely practised by anyone in your country, rather than engaging in the religion of either your family or local community where you can experience being in a community rather than being alone[/QUOTE] Buddhism doesn't have to be organized to be practiced. I reject the notion of God and can therefore not engage in the main religion of my country. I am alone because of mental faculties, not because I made a choice. I practiced Shaolin Kung Fu with Zen Buddhists in my city a couple of years ago, but I had to quit because of mental illness. While meditative practice can be done anywhere, being alone promotes this practice. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;49960178]buddhism is inextricably tied to the culture with which it originated. Buddhism in the west is primarily practised by beardo malcontents[/QUOTE] There's a temple not far from where I live. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;49960178]i chose Catholicism because its the biggest and most widespread religion in the world with an ancient history and importance - but also primarily because multiple family members and friends are catholics are well. by doing this i have gone a long way towards finding purpose in life, controlling addictive and self-destructive behaviours, and banishing the demon of depression and isolation[/QUOTE] That sure sounds like Christian practice. I've found that Buddhism has helped me find peace even after having lost control over addiction and mental illness. There's a lot of pride in Catholicism, not good karma.
I just started reading The Complete Works of Plato today, after that I'm going to read Aristotle, then Aquinas, Locke, Hume, Déscartes (I've fucked up chronology here) Kierkegaard and Kant. Then I can finally read Schopenhauer and Neitzsche with historical context because they're the only philosophers I'm truly interested in. yes I'm a Eurocentric. Although Schopenhauer was one of the first Western philosophers to take Eastern philosophy seriously.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49960178]you're against isolation and depression yet choose a religion which is barely practised by anyone in your country,[/QUOTE] I don't really understand what you mean by choosing religion though? That's how I perceive reality. I have unbreakable faith in the Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha. Are you saying you're choosing to follow something you don't fully perceive? Why?
[QUOTE=Solodris;49960331]Buddhism doesn't have to be organized to be practiced. I reject the notion of God and can therefore not engage in the main religion of my country. I am alone because of mental faculties, not because I made a choice. I practiced Shaolin Kung Fu with Zen Buddhists in my city a couple of years ago, but I had to quit because of mental illness. While meditative practice can be done anywhere, being alone promotes this practice. [/quote] So your answer to isolation is to retreat from the world into solitary meditation? You don't need to even believe in god to go to church. The answer to problems in the world is not to pull back from it. [quote]That sure sounds like Christian practice. I've found that Buddhism has helped me find peace even after having lost control over addiction and mental illness. There's a lot of pride in Catholicism, not good karma.[/QUOTE] How is there pride in it? Christianity at its core advocates humility, charity, patience, etc. It seems odd to argue that there's pride in it when pride is frequently viewed as a sin. [QUOTE=Solodris;49960433]I don't really understand what you mean by choosing religion though? That's how I perceive reality. I have unbreakable faith in the Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha. Are you saying you're choosing to follow something you don't fully perceive? Why?[/QUOTE] I follow it because it seems like the best one to follow in terms of its philosophical basis, the ethics and moral framework, and the institution and its widespread effects in both time and space.
[QUOTE=Solodris;49960061]I get your point. But to what end though? Anything technology can give us will ultimately be unsatisfying as the nature of reality is to change.[/QUOTE] reality will change and evolve with technology and us, it is desire that keeps us going, you seem to be advocating almost admitting defeat, to return to an earlier state in development where we were less able and advanced. Unless you desire to regress (something i cannot comprehend) then it doesnt seem at all beneficial, especailly when youre talking about sacrificing knoweldge. We are not simple people, we are advanced, if you cannot handle the world we live in then you have every right to accept your limitations, and distence yourself from society, but do not bring the rest of us down with you
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49961038]So your answer to isolation is to retreat from the world into solitary meditation? You don't need to even believe in god to go to church. The answer to problems in the world is not to pull back from it.[/QUOTE] No, I was saying that meditation helps me deal with isolation. But still, there are Yogis that practice solitary meditation for years because of meditative attainments. That tells us something about the potential of the mind. Edit: A church is a construct based on the concept of God. A religion that accepts God accepts suffering, therefore I can't waste my time identifying with people associated with the church since that would be frivolous speech and that is a hindrance towards practicing my own religion. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;49961038]How is there pride in it? Christianity at its core advocates humility, charity, patience, etc. It seems odd to argue that there's pride in it when pride is frequently viewed as a sin.[/QUOTE] Arguing is clinging to pride. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;49961038]I follow it because it seems like the best one to follow in terms of its philosophical basis, the ethics and moral framework, and the institution and its widespread effects in both time and space.[/QUOTE] Interesting. [QUOTE=despair3173;49961072]reality will change and evolve with technology and us, it is desire that keeps us going, you seem to be advocating almost admitting defeat, to return to an earlier state in development where we were less able and advanced. Unless you desire to regress (something i cannot comprehend) then it doesnt seem at all beneficial, especailly when youre talking about sacrificing knoweldge. We are not simple people, we are advanced, if you cannot handle the world we live in then you have every right to accept your limitations, and distence yourself from society, but do not bring the rest of us down with you[/QUOTE] This thread is not a debate. You're indulging in divisive speech.
[QUOTE=Solodris;49961282]No, I was saying that meditation helps me deal with isolation. But still, there are Yogis that practice solitary meditation for years because of meditative attainments. That tells us something about the potential of the mind. Edit: A church is a construct based on the concept of God. A religion that accepts God accepts suffering, therefore I can't waste my time identifying with people associated with the church since that would be frivolous speech and that is a hindrance towards practicing my own religion. [/quote] Uh, forgive me if I am wrong, but why are you saying that Christianity is a bad thing for the fact it accepts suffering when Buddhism is literally about coming to terms with suffering? Both religions are similar in that as there is suffering in the world, they come up with responses that help people to cope with it. [quote]Arguing is clinging to pride.[/quote] sounds cultish [quote]This thread is not a debate. You're indulging in divisive speech.[/QUOTE] what's the point of having a philosophy thread if you can't debate and argue about different things in philosophy? what do you think the greeks did all day?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49961471]Uh, forgive me if I am wrong, but why are you saying that Christianity is a bad thing for the fact it accepts suffering when Buddhism is literally about coming to terms with suffering? Both religions are similar in that as there is suffering in the world, they come up with responses that help people to cope with it.[/QUOTE] Not everyone is susceptible to accepting a religion because of the notion that there are claims about the existence of a God. Buddhism is about being constantly aware of the current moment and perpetually teach other people to handle their own suffering. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;49961471]what's the point of having a philosophy thread if you can't debate and argue about different things in philosophy? what do you think the greeks did all day?[/QUOTE] There's a difference between debating/arguing and having a discussion, exploring why there are differences rather than holding a conviction on being right about a fixed idea.
[QUOTE=Solodris;49961282] This thread is not a debate. You're indulging in divisive speech.[/QUOTE] How does one discuss philosophy without debate? Also, that is a rather peculiar OP for a general philosophy discussion thread. No wonder people shy away from it when people like you take joy in stroking your ego with superfluous meanderings...
[QUOTE=Solodris;49961537]Not everyone is susceptible to accepting a religion because of the notion that there are claims about the existence of a God. Buddhism is about being constantly aware of the current moment and perpetually teach other people to handle their own suffering.[/quote] so how should we respond to suffering in the world? [quote]There's a difference between debating/arguing and having a discussion, exploring why there are differences rather than holding a conviction on being right about a fixed idea.[/QUOTE] debate is pretty central to philosophy - it means you have your ideas about things subject to criticism to see if they hold up in terms of their logical consistency and coherence, not to mention any objections to it and proposals for alternate methods. you have to establish why you think your philosophy deserves to be treated seriously by other people, and this is usually by presenting your ideas in a manner that allows them to be both understood and subjected to critique
This thread was a complete failure. It was created out of impulse based in hypomanic obsession after taking some amphetamine. Well, at least I learned something.
[QUOTE=Solodris;49962216]This thread was a complete failure. It was created out of impulse based in hypomanic obsession after taking some amphetamine. Well, at least I learned something.[/QUOTE] next time one could try by including links to various resources for philosophy, a basic overview of it, and maybe a question or two at the end
[QUOTE=Solodris;49961537]There's a difference between debating/arguing and having a discussion, exploring why there are differences rather than holding a conviction on being right about a fixed idea.[/QUOTE] you're right, i appologise, but you havent really explained why you hold the idea that you do, and i am interested about that.
[QUOTE=despair3173;49967093]you're right, i appologise, but you havent really explained why you hold the idea that you do, and i am interested about that.[/QUOTE] I experience differences to be circumstantial becoming in sensing an identity that is separate from other human beings, during the stone age, a tribe had to work coherently to find their different functions to provide for the group. Splitting this coherent nature by being born into a world where competition is everywhere conflicts with the evolutionary design, creating suffering. Debating is just one form of competitive behavior that separates us from our inherent nature to provide for the group. Creating suffering when our primal sense of function is rejected, as our sense of purpose depends on validation. Not being validated produces a sense of being lost, obscuring the identity, debating even more to find function to somehow investigate on how to provide, perpetuating the decline in purpose. Eventually communication becomes debating when we are conditioned to think that validation is winning a debate. So if we avoid perceiving other human beings as being wrong, and rather accept that their circumstantial situation creates a volitional act, we can ease their pain by not imitating their hostility. Because the more hostile an argument is, the more it means that there is suffering behind the facade.
I like philosophy in the sense that literally nothing has any value or meaning in all existence altogether fucking everything is terrible and depressing and so on, but not really cuz you can just be like "I choose this thing is good" then nobody can say nothing to it but like "Alright then."
[I]"... ἀνεξέταστος βίος οὐ βιωτὸς ἀνθρώπῳ"[/I] "... the unexamined life is not worth living." [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates#Trial_and_death"]-Socrates[/URL] [editline]19th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Bat-shit;49967647]I like philosophy in the sense that literally nothing has any value or meaning in all existence altogether fucking everything is terrible and depressing and so on, but not really cuz you can just be like "I choose this thing is good" then nobody can say nothing to it but like "Alright then."[/QUOTE] Philosophy is [b]much[/b] more than just [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism"]this[/URL]. Philosophy (esp ethics) is tremendously important in understanding how we ought to conduct ourselves in life. There are objective truths in ethics.
I refuse to believe so, Any existence is as viable as any. Meaning that, [I]nothingness[/I] is also a viable existence. There are no objective truths as to how to act in life, unless God told you so. [B]Edit:[/B] you had edited your post apparently when I first responded, but anyways. Of course philosophy is much more than nihilism. While I may think that morals and morality do not inherently exist, we still must act. And in doing so, we'll be applying isms and norms from all over.
[QUOTE=Solodris;49962216]This thread was a complete failure. It was created out of impulse based in hypomanic obsession after taking some amphetamine. Well, at least I learned something.[/QUOTE] A complete failure? I'm not sure.. From what little I know, it seems like a very thought-out post on Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, God, and more, generally why people act the way they act? I read like 95% of it. But yeha, like Sobotnik said, the OP may benefit from some links and descriptions. It seems like a scary wall of text, but it's pretty easily digestible. Although I see that your expectations of this thread are different from what users commonly expect from a megathread OP. I think it's fine..?
I am but a product of karmic heritage, volitional convictions born out of natural selection. Evolution is the sleeping ancestor of my genetic design. As a being having awakened from this dream, I am no longer bound by its constraints. A word describing this state is God, because letting go of instinctual patterns, I define my own behavior, creating my own world. I can not die because I was never born, mental processes without the shackles of attaching to inherent nature is immortality since the production of itself is being the father and the son at the same time, traditionally teaching future generations the intellectual process of pursuing transcendence from nature. The notion of being a life form that eventually dies is the ignorant nature of clinging to mental formations about a survival instinct concocted by an ancient fear of a coherent tribe losing one of its members providing a function in surviving a hostile environment. Our mind creates everything; Time, greed, fear, grief and hatred. I am the deity of revelation, fear not existence, because you become one with it understanding my message.
evolution isn't a "sleeping ancestor of my genetic design", it's a fucking theory that explains the variation in lifeforms we see today by means of natural selection your esoteric ramblings don't make sense half of the time and they misuse well-established concepts in the natural sciences
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