• U.S. Agencies Infiltrating Drug Cartels Across Mexico
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[TABLE] [TR] [TD][release][SUB][SUP][URL=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/25/world/americas/united-states-infiltrating-criminal-groups-across-mexico.html?hp]www.nytimes.com[/URL][/SUP][/SUB] [b]WASHINGTON[/b] — American law enforcement agencies have significantly built up networks of Mexican informants that have allowed them to secretly infiltrate some of that country’s most powerful and dangerous criminal organizations, according to security officials on both sides of the border. As the United States has opened new law enforcement and intelligence outposts across Mexico in recent years, Washington’s networks of informants have grown there as well, current and former officials said. They have helped Mexican authorities capture or kill about two dozen high-ranking and midlevel drug traffickers, and sometimes have given American counternarcotics agents access to the top leaders of the cartels they are trying to dismantle. Typically, the officials said, Mexico is kept in the dark about the United States’ contacts with its most secret informants — including Mexican law enforcement officers, elected officials and cartel operatives — partly because of concerns about corruption among the Mexican police, and partly because of laws prohibiting American security forces from operating on Mexican soil. “The Mexicans sort of roll their eyes and say we know it’s happening, even though it’s not supposed to be happening,” said Eric L. Olson, an expert on Mexican security matters at the Woodrow Wilson Center. “That’s what makes this so hard,” he said. “The United States is using tools in a country where officials are still uncomfortable with those tools.” [/release] [/TD] [TD][release][img_thumb]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/10/25/world/JP-DEA-1/JP-DEA-1-articleLarge.jpg[/img_thumb] [SUB][I]Jesús Vicente Zambada-Niebla, center, known as Vicentillo, at the attorney general's office in Mexico City in 2009.[/I][/SUB][/release][TABLE="width: 401, align: right"] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Liking that there is more being done in Mexico and getting rid of those damn drug cartels.
It seems really counter productive that they would tell people they're secretly infiltrating drug cartels.
Boy, better hope those drug lords don't read the news huh...
[QUOTE=ratman_122;32950805]It seems really counter productive that they would tell people they're secretly infiltrating drug cartels.[/QUOTE] It's a tactic. [editline]24th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=dass;32950833]Boy, better hope those drug lords don't read the news huh...[/QUOTE] Better hope they do. If they released this information publicly at the current time, they're doing it for a reason.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32950853]I didn't know revealing what you're doing was a tactic.[/QUOTE] Paranoia. Can you trust everyone working under you now? Nope. I think I'm gonna go kill my right hand man...I think he's a spy.
[QUOTE=ratman_122;32950805]It seems really counter productive that they would tell people they're secretly infiltrating drug cartels.[/QUOTE]I'm sure the cartels already know this is happening.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;32950879]I'm sure the cartels already know this is happening.[/QUOTE] Still though, now they might be looking even harder for traitors in the ranks, just more chance that people get hurt instead of bringing the bad guys to justice.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32950853]I didn't know revealing what you're doing was a tactic.[/QUOTE] If their intention is to confuse the cartels with revealing info, and you were a cartel boss, they'd have succeeded with you. See? :D Way more than people realize goes on behind the veil.
[QUOTE=ratman_122;32950889]Still though, now they might be looking even harder for traitors in the ranks, just more chance that people get hurt instead of bringing the bad guys to justice.[/QUOTE] Revealing it raises suspicion and paranoia. They wouldn't make an announcement like this if it meant it was going to seriously jeopardize their plans.
Spy sapping mah meth lab
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32950853]I didn't know revealing what you're doing was a tactic.[/QUOTE] Hmm... unless... Unless if they [I]don't[/I] actually have anyone infiltrating the cartels! Thus causing them to think "Dumbass Americans. I knew it. Welp, time to kill that ass over there. I knew he was a spy." Or maybe the American officials [I]know[/I] that the cartels will see this as the Americans bluffing, so they [I]won't[/I] think there are any spies, [I]even though there totally are[/I]. Et cetera.
[QUOTE=scout1;32950836]It's a tactic. [editline]24th October 2011[/editline] Better hope they do. If they released this information publicly at the current time, they're doing it for a reason.[/QUOTE] Isn't it a bad tactic? I mean, the new guy wont "fit in" so well now, will he? This will either scare them and make them go on a quest to find the moles with, or without luck...
They wouldn't announce this if this would jeopardize their plans. So obviously there's more to this plan.
Can we just legalize whatever they're trafficking and watch them willfully disappear?
[QUOTE=Jawalt;32951356]Can we just legalize whatever they're trafficking and watch them willfully disappear?[/QUOTE] Because they only thing they do is drugs Certainly not illegal weapons, prescriptions, murder for higher, auto theft, smuggling of immigrants into the country, smuggling of stolen goods, among other things
[QUOTE=Esrange;32951425]Because they only thing they do is drugs Certainly not illegal weapons, prescriptions, murder for higher, auto theft, smuggling of immigrants into the country, smuggling of stolen goods, among other things[/QUOTE] uh yeah but they're mostly involved in drugs (that's why they're called "drug" cartels)
War on drugs is a bunch of bullshit.
[QUOTE=Esrange;32951425]Because they only thing they do is drugs Certainly not illegal weapons, prescriptions, murder for higher, auto theft, smuggling of immigrants into the country, smuggling of stolen goods, among other things[/QUOTE] Not to mention that [I]if[/I] legalizing drugs had the power to make them disappear (not saying it doesn't), chances are they'd be doing everything in [I]their[/I] power to stop that from happening (if they aren't already). Yes, it would let them legitimately sell currently illegal drugs, but it would also let [I]other[/I] companies sell those as well, and the addition of fresh competition would drastically reduce their power, especially if those companies and their production facilities were set up in areas beyond their immediate sphere of power (I.E.: anywhere north of the border). Therefore, legalizing drugs would be a threat to their power, and they probably wouldn't accept that peacefully. Hell, it'd probably make them fight harder than they already are.
[QUOTE=ratman_122;32950805]It seems really counter productive that they would tell people they're secretly infiltrating drug cartels.[/QUOTE] You don't think the cartels already know this? They're not stupid you know. This is a PR thing, it shows people that they are putting up a good fight. It shows that some people are willing to lose it all to stand up against some truly barbaric people. Hopefully such courage would inspire others to stand against them and give law enforcement information.
I'm surprised they could find anybody, given that anyone caught informing on the cartels ends up on Youtube getting their heads cut off with chainsaws and rusty knives.
[QUOTE=Jawalt;32951356]Can we just legalize whatever they're trafficking and watch them willfully disappear?[/QUOTE] lol lets legalize crime
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