• Video appears to capture off-duty LAPD officer firing gun during confrontation with teens
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[quote] An off-duty Los Angeles police officer fired a gun Tuesday during a confrontation with at least two teenagers in Anaheim, authorities said. No one was struck, and two teens were later arrested, according to Anaheim Police Sgt. Daron Wyatt. A video purporting to show portions of the incident was posted on YouTube. (Warning: The video contains indecent language.) “We are aware of numerous videos being posted on YouTube and other Internet sites,” Anaheim police said Wednesday. “We cannot authenticate the validity of these videos as they were not recorded or posted by APD. However, they do appear to depict portions of the incident in question.” One video shows a man and a boy moving around a yard, their arms locked. Several other young people are standing nearby, many wearing backpacks. At one point, someone rushes the man, sending him over a row of bushes. The man then starts to drag the boy over the hedge as another swings at him. A few seconds later, as more people approach the two, the man reaches into the waistband of his jeans and draws what appears to be a gun. A single gunshot can be heard about three seconds later. Anaheim police officers were called at about 2:40 p.m. to Euclid Street and Palais Road, where the off-duty officer was reported to be in a physical dispute with “several male juveniles,” Wyatt said. That confrontation began over what Anaheim police described as “ongoing issues” with the juveniles walking across the officer’s property, Wyatt said. During the argument, police said, a 13-year-old allegedly threatened to shoot the off-duty officer, prompting him to attempt to detain the teen. That prompted a “physical confrontation” between the off-duty officer and several other juveniles, Anaheim police said, during which the officer fired his gun. Because the police officer fired his gun, homicide detectives were assigned to the case and interviewed witnesses at the scene. The names of the two teens arrested were not released because they are juveniles. The 13-year-old was arrested on suspicion of battery and making criminal threats, and a 15-year-old on suspicion of assault and battery, Anaheim police said. Wyatt said the off-duty officer is cooperating with the inquiry and has not been arrested. His name was not released. Capt. Andy Neiman, an LAPD spokesman, said the department had launched its own internal investigation into the shooting, which is standard procedure when officers fire their guns. Neiman said LAPD detectives and staff from the inspector general’s office had gone to the scene. “We will continue to conduct the internal investigation to determine the actions of the officer and the circumstances, and then we’ll consult with the Orange County district attorney as well to determine if there’s any issues,” Neiman said.[/quote] [url]http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-anaheim-20170221-story.html[/url] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoSkCGrRAQg[/media]
that man is a walking embarrassment
literally the stupidest thing i've seen a person do
Looks like the shot did a good job of defusing the situation
Was anyone hit? No. Was anyone hurt? No. Did it prevent escalation and stop people from being hurt? Yes. Was it the right move? Possibly. The crowd was clearly escalating rapidly. The teen threatened deadly force, which forced him to act. He could no longer allow the teen to leave because that teen is now a threat to him and his family. This placed the officer in a shitty situation.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51861305]that man is a walking embarrassment[/QUOTE] If he was intelligent he would've called the police to come arrest the kid. Rather then taking matters into his own hands when he was off duty.
[QUOTE=GunFox;51861349]Was anyone hit? No. Was anyone hurt? No. Did it prevent escalation and stop people from being hurt? Yes. Was it the right move? Possibly. The crowd was clearly escalating rapidly. The teen threatened deadly force, which forced him to act. He could no longer allow the teen to leave because that teen is now a threat to him and his family. This placed the officer in a shitty situation.[/QUOTE] Is this proper escalation of force, though? It absoultely did not look like it.
[QUOTE=GunFox;51861349]Was anyone hit? No. Was anyone hurt? No. Did it prevent escalation and stop people from being hurt? Yes. Was it the right move? Possibly. The crowd was clearly escalating rapidly. The teen threatened deadly force, which forced him to act. He could no longer allow the teen to leave because that teen is now a threat to him and his family. This placed the officer in a shitty situation.[/QUOTE] What? Where did the teen threaten deadly force?
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what even was going on? [quote]That confrontation began over what Anaheim police described as “ongoing issues” with the juveniles walking across the officer’s property, Wyatt said. During the argument, police said, a 13-year-old allegedly threatened to shoot the off-duty officer, prompting him to attempt to detain the teen.[/quote] oh so basically dumb shit. The officer shouldn't have grabbed the kid but then 13 year olds shouldn't be threatening to shoot people either...
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51861368]Is this proper escalation of force, though? It absoultely did not look like it.[/QUOTE] The shot may have been accidental, but it might have been in his personal best interest considering other people were starting to get violent and there was like 20 people surrounding him. I want to hear more before i come to a conclusion on it though.
Actually firing a round might've been a bit overkill, given the reaction the crowd had to him having a gun in the first place, but he was an off-duty officer surrounded by a crowd that could possibly escalate to an enraged mob, while being assaulted by the kid he was attempting to hold back. I think a bit more context to why they were in a conflict to begin with would help to see if that was really the best choice of action. EDIT: says in the article: "confrontation began over what Anaheim police described as “ongoing issues” with the juveniles walking across the officer’s property, Wyatt said. During the argument, police said, [B]a 13-year-old allegedly threatened to shoot the off-duty officer[/B], prompting him to attempt to detain the teen. That prompted a “physical confrontation” between the off-duty officer and several other juveniles, Anaheim police said, during which the officer fired his gun." So that also throws in the possibility that he believed one of them was armed, makes the response a bit more reasonable IMO.
[QUOTE=Snapster;51861374]What was the offduty officer doing in the first place? It looks like two teens were fighting over a bag when the video starts. The off duty LAPD officer has no jurisdiction, if he was trying to break it up he should have called the local police to come.[/QUOTE] [quote]That confrontation began over what Anaheim police described as “ongoing issues” with the juveniles walking across the officer’s property,[/quote] It was in front of his house and the teen apparently threatened to shoot him.
[QUOTE=Snapster;51861374]What was the offduty officer doing in the first place? It looks like two teens were fighting over a bag when the video starts. The off duty LAPD officer has no jurisdiction, if he was trying to break it up he should have called the local police to come.[/QUOTE] If only there was a nice big fucking article you could read about it somewhere.
An off duty cop unlawfully restrains a child then pulls out a gun when his friends try to help him? Funny thing is people will somehow defend this asshole.
That shot had to be an accidental discharge. Intentionally shooting a gun in that situation would be absolutely reakless. Lose job and go to jail reakless.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51861379]The shot may have been accidental, but it might have been in his personal best interest considering other people were starting to get violent and there was like 20 people surrounding him. I want to hear more before i come to a conclusion on it though.[/QUOTE] The cop pulling the gun was fine. It's the shot I'm concerned about. But I am but an armchair judger of actions, just wondering if there are any fp users here who are American Cops that could give us their insight on what he should and should not have done.
[QUOTE=billibobc;51861388]An off duty cop unlawfully restrains a child then pulls out a gun when his friends try to help him? Funny thing is people will somehow defend this asshole.[/QUOTE] The article and video both mention that the kid apparently threatened to shoot him, while him and a evidently a number of others were apparently walking on his property. [editline]22nd February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51861395]The cop pulling the gun was fine. It's the shot I'm concerned about.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it looks like it might have been accidental while he was pulling the kid over the hedge, his finger slipped.
[QUOTE=billibobc;51861388]An off duty cop unlawfully restrains a child then pulls out a gun when his friends try to help him? Funny thing is people will somehow defend this asshole.[/QUOTE] An off duty cop tells teens to get off his property. Uppity shithead teen threatens to shoot him. Cop rightfully doesn't let that threat fly.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51861383]It was in front of his house and the teen apparently threatened to shoot him.[/QUOTE] The kid repeats throughout the video that he said "sue you" not "shoot you". We can't hear the first time he says it, though
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51861408]The kid repeats throughout the video that he said "sue you" not "shoot you". We can't hear the first time he says it, though[/QUOTE] Yeah but who knows, im wondering if theres anymore footage around from before that. Given the context im leaning towards the kid just trying to cover his ass considering he was supposedly already trespassing with a group of people, so im not sure what could've lead to "i'll sue you" in that situation, he probably realized he fucked up and tried to pull a fast one since people were recording it by then, but its probably best to just wait and see.
I saw him get assaulted and pushed over the hedge. Force was warranted.
Waiting for the investigation to be done. I'm all for punishing those who abuse their power but watching this video and reading the article leaves just enough room for this to swing either way.
Right before he discharged his gun multiple teens, one his size, were surrounding him and two very visibly tried to get at him as he was holding back one already. There is a very thin line before the entire mob joined in and he had to defuse it somehow. Also don't go fucking trespassing on someones yard, let alone as a group.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51861411]Yeah but who knows, im wondering if theres anymore footage around from before that.[/QUOTE] I know this is a bit flimsy, so know I'm not putting that much weight behind this argument, but the way the kid says "sue", to me, makes his story a bit more believable (watch around 1:14).
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51861427]I know this is a bit flimsy, so know I'm not putting that much weight behind this argument, but the way the kid says "sue", to me, makes his story a bit more believable (watch around 1:14).[/QUOTE] Oh i get what you mean now. Maybe, i dont know.
[QUOTE=OvB;51861394]That shot had to be an accidental discharge. Intentionally shooting a gun in that situation would be absolutely reakless. Lose job and go to jail reakless.[/QUOTE] Most ND are when unholstering, charging, and sometimes cleaning a weapon.
i'm surprised they didn't start backing up when they saw him reaching for his waistband
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51861423]Right before he discharged his gun multiple teens, one his size, were surrounding him and two very visibly tried to get at him as he was holding back one already. There is a very thin line before the entire mob joined in and he had to defuse it somehow. Also don't go fucking trespassing on someones yard, let alone as a group.[/QUOTE] It'll probably come down to the circumstances of how it began. They're gonna look into why he was holding the kid. Any other person in any other location wouldn't be off base thinking the adult was abusing the child. If the officers reasons for holding the kid are unlawful, he's probably gonna be in a world of hurt.
Yeah those kids are without a doubt stupid. They need to go back to their momma's house for the wooden spoon no doubt
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