Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders draws a crowd of 6,000 in Ohio - Polidicks

[QUOTE]CLEVELAND - Bernie Sanders looked to the Republicans Monday night at Cleveland State University for a hand up on his answer to the attacks in Paris and ISIS and he found it. The Vermont senator and 2016 Democratic presidential candidate weaved the promises of Republican governors Monday that they would not accept Syrian refugees with former President George W. Bush's press for the Iraq War in 2003 into a one-sentence policy line that lit up the crowd of roughly 6,000 in Cleveland. "We gotta be tough, but not stupid!!" Sanders yelled. Sanders cautioned against "Islamophobia" amid calls from Republican governors across the U.S. that they would not accept Syrian refugees and a press by candidates to seek federal legislation barring Syrian relocations.[/QUOTE] [url]http://fox8.com/2015/11/16/live-video-presidential-candidate-bernie-sanders-holds-rally-in-cleveland/[/url]

I don't think it's islamophobic to not want to accept any Syrian refugees into the state right now given the circumstances, just self-preservational towards a very real threat.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49130292]I don't think it's islamophobic to not want to accept any Syrian refugees into the state right now given the circumstances, just self-preservational towards a very real threat.[/QUOTE] The U.S. has a very stringent vetting process for any and all syrian refugees they accept, it's nothing like allowing people to just walk over our border. We're mostly letting families with young children in.

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;49130470] it's nothing like allowing people to just walk over our border[/QUOTE] Well... :v:

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;49130470]The U.S. has a very stringent vetting process for any and all syrian refugees they accept, it's nothing like allowing people to just walk over our border. We're mostly letting families with young children in.[/QUOTE] If it's as strict as it should be then okay, flood the country with dudes, as long as they're respectable non-terrorist human beings. AFAIK France's mistake was having a fairly lax border policy. If they were gonna be like that, then they should've amped up their police and military presence accordingly to ensure maximum readiness for any threats that could, and eventually would, pop up.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49130292]I don't think it's islamophobic to not want to accept any Syrian refugees into the state right now given the circumstances, just self-preservational towards a very real threat.[/QUOTE] Circumstances that a single refugee was a part of ISIS that was a part of the terrorist attack? Its all knee jerk reactions. 538 has a good piece on it: [quote] The overall number of refugees from Syria last year, though, was tiny: Just 74 total refugees from Syria settled in 13 of 25 states whose governors have taken a stand — and none at all settled in 12 of the states. Just 58 more settled in the rest of the U.S. in 2014.[/quote] 132 total refugees came from Syria last year. This is what were worried about. 132 people in a nation of more than 318,000,000. I am significantly more worried about domestic terrorism than anything a refugee could bring- As should everyone else. If ISIS wants to strike the US, they will- and it probably wont be from a refugee. Our aviation security systems are nowhere near effective enough to prevent it.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49130482]Well... :v:[/QUOTE] The majority of the people that DO walk over our border have similar values and culture to many of the places in the U.S. where they end up and they integrate easily. This is not true of the immigration crisis in Europe.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49130292]I don't think it's islamophobic to not want to accept any Syrian refugees into the state right now given the circumstances, just self-preservational towards a very real threat.[/QUOTE] While that statement itself is true, its hard to say that some of these knee-jerk reactions are not fueled by Islamophobia. Fox news right now (as well as segments of the Republican party) at times is beginning to sound like /pol/. Im not saying Islamophobia is always the reason for some states wanting to bar refugees, im sure you all can find specific scenarios where there are legitimate reasons. However, i bet that some of these instances are no more than Republican political stunts

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49130292]I don't think it's islamophobic to not want to accept any Syrian refugees into the state right now given the circumstances, just self-preservational towards a very real threat.[/QUOTE] Plenty of these govenors specifically ask no Muslims be admitted and plenty of powerful people behind them have made similar statements, Rupert Murdoch doesn't come out and say that without at least voicing the same concerns to people he's politically connected to

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49130292]I don't think it's islamophobic to not want to accept any Syrian refugees into the state right now given the circumstances, just self-preservational towards a very real threat.[/QUOTE] Except the U.S. is so fucking anal about immigration that it's hardly a problem. To be fucking real, terrorists could easily enter illegally through Mexico with almost whatever they wanted if the current examples of drugs, guns and human trafficking are anything to go by.. Legal refugees are the least likely group to be terrorists in this case.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49130292]I don't think it's islamophobic to not want to accept any Syrian refugees into the state right now given the circumstances, just self-preservational towards a very real threat.[/QUOTE] It's not Islamaphobic in and of itself, but you have to admit that there are definitely people who are opposing it out of islamophobia.

[QUOTE]"During these difficult times as Americans, we will not succumb to racism."[/QUOTE] Sorry Bernie, Islam isn't a race. Islamism isn't a race either. Being concerned about a radical ideology isn't being racist.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49133218]Sorry Bernie, Islam isn't a race. Islamism isn't a race either. Being concerned about a radical ideology isn't being racist.[/QUOTE] Way too often people conflate Islam with being Arabic. I don't like how you refer to Islam as radical though. If even 1% of the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world were radical extremists, I feel like we'd have been hit a lot harder than we have so far.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;49133210]It's not Islamaphobic in and of itself, but you have to admit that there are definitely people who are opposing it out of islamophobia.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and if we're learning anything from this whole thing it goes to show that the islamophobics that may be backing this idea are not representative of the actual idea, which is actually a safe idea -and it shouldn't be mocked/shunned because of "but don't be racist :( it looks islamophobic" bigotry and the assholes that associate themselves with it to push their own hated/incitement

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49133218]Sorry Bernie, Islam isn't a race. Islamism isn't a race either. Being concerned about a radical ideology isn't being racist.[/QUOTE] Every time this happens. I always see this on facepunch, people argue semantics and then segue into thinly veiled bigotry.

[QUOTE=DanTehMan;49130470]The U.S. has a very stringent vetting process for any and all syrian refugees they accept, it's nothing like allowing people to just walk over our border. We're mostly letting families with young children in.[/QUOTE] The U.S has only accepted like 2k Syrians. For example Texas has only accepted like 200, so these governors are stupid.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49133218]Sorry Bernie, Islam isn't a race. Islamism isn't a race either. Being concerned about a radical ideology isn't being racist.[/QUOTE] He said, "We will not succumb to racism...We will not let ourselves be divided by Islamaphobia" Not that it was racist. Two completely different points he made.