[quote]Iran's Revolutionary Guards have shot down two "Western spy" drones in the Gulf, the Fars news agency quoted a top commander of the elite military force as saying on Sunday.
"Westerners have a series of capabilities which cannot be ignored, especially satellites, or for example they have spy planes which can take pictures in some places," Amir Ali Hajizadeh, head of the air force wing of the Guards said.
He said that the drones were mainly being used in Iraq and Afghanistan but "some violations against our soil" have also occurred.
"And we have so far downed many of their advanced spy planes. In the Persian Gulf, we have downed two of their planes and this is the first time that we are saying it," Hajizadeh said without specifying when exactly the drones were shot down.
He also boasted that all "enemy" bases in the region were within range of Iranian missiles, referring to arch-foe the United States. He said that even the aircraft carriers deployed in the region were no longer a threat to Iran.
"There was a time when an aircraft carrier was something to rely on and when they told a country that this warship was moving towards your shore, the government of that country would be toppled," Hajizadeh said.
"But now this has become a threat for them. We have full control of our enemies. We notice whatever changes taking place on our shores. When they go on alert in the warships or when they put on life jackets to launch boats in the sea, we are aware of that."
Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, target of a series of US sanctions, was set up as a force to defend the 1979 Islamic revolution from internal and external threats.
Its commanders have repeatedly boasted of its capabilities and delivered warnings to regional foe Israel, which like the United States, has not ruled out a military strike to prevent Iran acquiring a nuclear weapons capability.
Many Western governments believe Iran's nuclear programme may be a covert bid to make a bomb, a charge Tehran denies.
The US navy's Fifth Fleet is based in Bahrain, just across the Gulf from Iran. Iranian commanders have repeatedly threatened to block navigation through the strategic Strait of Hormuz, which links the Gulf to the Indian Ocean, if it comes under attack.
Sixty percent of the world's oil supplies pass through the Strait of Hormuz.
The US military and Central Intelligency Agency regularly use drones to launch missile strikes in Afghanistan and in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt but do not generally confirm attacks.
The drone strikes are deeply unpopular among the Pakistani public but the United States says the strikes have killed a number of high-value targets.[/quote]
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Maybe they're going to invade?
source?
Aircraft carriers not a threat, right.
[QUOTE=Neinman;27153625]source?[/QUOTE]
Sorry about that, I will add it to the op.
I guess they didn't want to play I spy.
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I'm calling bull shit without photos. Also, Iran is getting much too full of its self.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;27153630]Aircraft carriers not a threat, right.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002[/url]
[url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wartech/nature.html[/url]
If a smart Marine Corps general could sink a US Navy carrier battle group and an amphibious force with third world/"obsolete" equipment in an exercise, then so can any officer or commander with half a brain.
If shit really would go down, Iran wouldn't stand a chance.
Weather balloons.
Seriously, it's actually a possibility here.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;27156658]If shit really would go down, Iran wouldn't stand a chance.[/QUOTE]
Aside from having a 12 million strong suicide force and some pretty modern military forces I think they stand great of a chance, to at least make most invading forces retreat and since they have the ability to sink carriers and hit Israel with missiles I think they would take a lot of Zionists down with them.
If our side is smart we send out decoy drones- drones whose only purpose is getting targeted and shot down. This allows us to gain data on their anti-aircraft abilities.
[QUOTE=PEn1s lol;27160547]Aside from having a 12 million strong suicide force and some pretty modern military forces I think they stand great of a chance, to at least make most invading forces retreat and since they have the ability to sink carriers and hit Israel with missiles I think they would take a lot of Zionists down with them.[/QUOTE]
I give you credit, I was unaware of there force, but you actually provided info to your argument instead of just rating dumb, and I thank you for that.
Hmm, on the topic of taking down Carriers... do the US Navy not possess an EW Cruiser like the HMS Daring? We learned the lesson in the Falklands that anti-ship missiles REALLY hurt and we've done something about it but what would happen if an Exocet-equivalent were to hit the hull or main deck of a Nimitz-Class? I think the Navy might be risking their carriers by sending them out with not much outside defence.
[QUOTE=Jon27;27161916]Hmm, on the topic of taking down Carriers... do the US Navy not possess an EW Cruiser like the HMS Daring? We learned the lesson in the Falklands that anti-ship missiles REALLY hurt and we've done something about it but what would happen if an Exocet-equivalent were to hit the hull or main deck of a Nimitz-Class? I think the Navy might be risking their carriers by sending them out with not much outside defence.[/QUOTE]
They have Aegis, but if Millenium Challenge is right, it's not that suited for guys taking out CVBGs with low tech boat armadas in coastal waters.
[QUOTE=Hiccuper;27159453]Weather balloons.
Seriously, it's actually a possibility here.[/QUOTE]
I did a bit of research and there have been cases of this, so it's not a very far-off possibility.
But it could also be an unknown friendly as well.
They're probably exaggerating. I'm thinking HQ recieved a report from some AA battery that thought it saw something that looked like a drone and opened fire, and HQ gave it to the news agency who turned it into a load of high-tech drones getting shot down.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;27156496][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002[/url]
[url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wartech/nature.html[/url]
If a smart Marine Corps general could sink a US Navy carrier battle group and an amphibious force with third world/"obsolete" equipment in an exercise, then so can any officer or commander with half a brain.[/QUOTE]
That commander was forced to resign because he cheated.
His "third world equipment" consisted of dingies and small fishing boats with anti-naval missile launchers strapped to them that weight so much, if you were to try to put that kind of weapon on a fucking life raft, it would sink.
He also didn't take into account travel time and teleported his forces where he wanted to.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27164364]That commander was forced to resign because he cheated.[/quote]
[quote]There were accusations that Millennium Challenge was rigged. I can tell you it was not. It started out as a [b]free-play exercise[/b], in which both Red and Blue had the opportunity to win the game. However, about the third or fourth day, when the concepts that the command was testing failed to live up to their expectations, the command then began to script the exercise in order to prove these concepts.[/quote]
Cheated? Yeah, when OPFOR wins an exercise against US forces it's always because the OPFOR commander "cheated". Looks like the BLUFOR cheated because when dealing with unconventional dudes were too tough for them, they decided to script it like an orchestra where tactics used specifically to counter technological superiority is "cheating". In war, there's no such thing as "cheating" and it should apply as well in training.
[quote]His "third world equipment" consisted of dingies and small fishing boats with anti-naval missile launchers strapped to them that weight so much, if you were to try to put that kind of weapon on a fucking life raft, it would sink.[/quote]
Who said he was using life rafts? Silkworm missiles can surely be put on small boats.
[quote]He also didn't take into account travel time and teleported his forces where he wanted to.[/QUOTE]
Source? If you don't have any then your claims are like of Mike Sparks throwing [url=http://blacktailfa.deviantart.com/art/T-64-quot-Premium-Tank-quot-Hoax-158048933][b]bullshit "rebuttals" on someone's article[/b][/url] on an attempt to discredit him or something. I know that a lot of people are trying to discredit Van Riper with your cheating claims just to justify that they still need expensive toys like supercarriers, just like how good old Billy Mitchell was ostracized when he showed the Navy in the 1920s that a few planes with bombs could sink their mighty dreadnoughts.
This wargame and many other exercises at the Fort Irwin NTC shows that a smart adversary can give US forces a lethal whopping, despite many people still believing the myth that the American military cannot be defeated.
I don't understand, if you're looking to piss people off you should be all 'trololo' and paint a russian flag on your drone.
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I particularly like this quote: [b]"But now this has become a threat for them. We have full control of our enemies."[/b]
Yeah, let's see your "full control" of us when we're rolling in by the thousands, planes overhead, and battleships blasting the hell out of your shitty little country.
[QUOTE=Superstormj;27171404]I particularly like this quote: [b]"But now this has become a threat for them. We have full control of our enemies."[/b]
Yeah, let's see your [i]"full control" of us when we're rolling in by the thousands, planes overhead, and battleships blasting the hell out of your shitty little country.[/i][/QUOTE]
Let's see you first hit a rat with an air rifle you child.
Holy crap you're retarded.
[QUOTE=RayDark;27171588]Let's see you first hit a rat with an air rifle you child.[/QUOTE]
Wow, you're a fucking retard. I'm quoting the article you dumbshit.
Taking a look through your post history, you really aren't that smart.
It's like your stupid ass has never learned what punctuation is.
[QUOTE=Superstormj;27171993]Wow, you're a fucking retard. I'm quoting the article you dumbshit.
Taking a look through your post history, you really aren't that smart.
It's like your stupid ass has never learned what punctuation is.[/QUOTE]
I do that on purpose you silly child. And also you said, 'Yeah, let's see your "full control" of us when we're rolling in by the thousands, planes overhead, and battleships blasting the hell out of your shitty little country.' when obviously, your vagina hasn't even reached full maturity, because that is an incredibly fucking stupid observation.
[QUOTE=RayDark;27172248]I do that on purpose you silly child. And also you said, 'Yeah, let's see your "full control" of us when we're rolling in by the thousands, planes overhead, and battleships blasting the hell out of your shitty little country.' when obviously, your vagina hasn't even reached full maturity, because that is an incredibly fucking stupid observation.[/QUOTE]
First of all, you keep calling me "child".
You don't know how fucking old I am, and you like feeling big by calling people that.
Second, you don't make sense half the time you say shit. That whole post was a clusterfuck of unintelligible bullshit.
I'm just going to ignore you, you obviously passed the parental lock on your parent's computer that's supposed to keep your cerebral palsy ass out.
[QUOTE=Superstormj;27172481]derp[/QUOTE]
You mad? Also thank you for clarifying your views on this news item, it really gives me more insight to the whole operation.
Moron.
Sorry to tell you superstormj but when american and NATO troops start to get gassed,suicide bombed and beaten back I think you might look stupid.
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AHAHAHAH
IRANIAN GAURD ELITE FORCE!
BAHAHAHAAHH
Oh man, yeah and that's what do do, threaten the US air bases when they have a carrier off your coast, yeah surely that'll end well.
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