Postponed UK Psychoactive Substances Bill to come into force 26th May - Polidicks

[QUOTE]A blanket ban on “legal highs” will come into force at the end of the month after it was delayed amid concerns it was impossible to enforce.New laws passed to tackle the substances will take effect on May 26, after a huge amount of criticism that the bill was so vague it could not be used to sensibly police the use of them. The legislation criminalises the production, distribution, sale and supply of psychoactive substances. Offenders face up to seven years in prison.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/legal-highs-ban-when-announced_uk_572b79c5e4b05c31e571ae4e[/url] Official government source: [url]https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/psychoactive-substances-bill-2015[/url] Still not sure how enforceable this is...

So, did they include an exemption to caffeine and tobacco in the bill, or did they forget that part? [editline]8th May 2016[/editline] Seems they did. Hippocrites. They ban legal highs because 70 people died in a decade but don't touch caffeine and tobacco that probably killed more.

It's not enforceable at all, unless you call 3 people going to jail over this enforcing.

I said this would happen when they announced the postponement, they were just waiting for people to forget about it

[QUOTE=download;50275310]So, did they include an exemption to caffeine and tobacco in the bill, or did they forget that part? [editline]8th May 2016[/editline] Seems they did. Hippocrites. They ban legal highs because 70 people died in a decade but don't touch caffeine and tobacco that probably killed more.[/QUOTE] That makes it even more ridiculous. I wonder if this includes Theanine? (psychoactive component of green tea) [editline]7th May 2016[/editline] Uh yeah this technically bans green tea. Whoops? Guess it might be excluded under the food clause though.

[QUOTE=Tobba;50275482]That makes it even more ridiculous. I wonder if this includes Theanine? (psychoactive component of green tea) [editline]7th May 2016[/editline] Uh yeah this technically bans green tea. Whoops? Guess it might be excluded under the food clause though.[/QUOTE] they probably dont enforce that

[QUOTE=Megadave;50275314]It's not enforceable at all, unless you call 3 people going to jail over this enforcing.[/QUOTE] Selectively enforcing things can fuck with separation of powers pretty badly though. Vague bills like this really shouldn't be allowed.

Don't you just love conservatives.

well ball's where will we get salvia from now if the shop in town closes

How do you even regulate such a thing?

So does that mean they can finally ban cigarettes? Of course not that would stop them making all that tax money.

[QUOTE=mini me;50275622]well ball's where will we get salvia from now if the shop in town closes[/QUOTE] stock up or buy some cuttings you can grow out

anybody got a comprehensive list of what this is going to make illegal to posses? A blanket ban for a blanket term is really unhelpful. Is this legal highs as the plethora of synthetic cannabinoids that have come into creation in the past couple of years, or does it include chemicals that have existed for decades but are being created and sold for recreational use recently?

[QUOTE=despair3173;50275730]anybody got a comprehensive list of what this is going to make illegal to posses? A blanket ban for a blanket term is really unhelpful. Is this legal highs as the plethora of synthetic cannabinoids that have come into creation in the past couple of years, or does it include chemicals that have existed for decades but are being created and sold for recreational use recently?[/QUOTE] Everything psychoactive is what I've gathered from it. Which makes no sense and is only going to screw over people rather than do anything to help.

[QUOTE=despair3173;50275730]anybody got a comprehensive list of what this is going to make illegal to posses? A blanket ban for a blanket term is really unhelpful. Is this legal highs as the plethora of synthetic cannabinoids that have come into creation in the past couple of years, or does it include chemicals that have existed for decades but are being created and sold for recreational use recently?[/QUOTE] There is no list of banned substances with this law, only a list of ones not-banned or already regulated by another law, everything not specifically excluded that affects your brain is automatically banned by default and you can get jail time for selling or possessing it. [quote] 2 Meaning of “psychoactive substance” etc (1)In this Act “psychoactive substance” means any substance which— (a)is capable of producing a psychoactive effect in a person who consumes it, and (b)is not an exempted substance (see section 3). (2)For the purposes of this Act a substance produces a psychoactive effect in a person if, by stimulating or depressing the person’s central nervous system, it affects the person’s mental functioning or emotional state; and references to a substance’s psychoactive effects are to be read accordingly. (3)For the purposes of this Act a person consumes a substance if the person causes or allows the substance, or fumes given off by the substance, to enter the person’s body in any way. 3 Exempted substances (1)In this Act “exempted substance” means a substance listed in Schedule 1.[/quote]

instead of making this shit illegal and assume it can only do harm how about we actually do research!

If this being used against spice, I can understand it. If it's going to be used to put spice addicts in jail rather than rehab then the government can get a rusty pole and fuck themselves up the arse with it. This is coming from the government whose own drug advisor said "legalisation is the way forward", party said " hmm no" and proceeded to fire the advisor. The fucks the point in hiring one in the first place?

[QUOTE=DELL;50275797]Everything psychoactive is what I've gathered from it. Which makes no sense and is only going to screw over people rather than do anything to help.[/QUOTE] It's even more absurd than you might realize. You're right, pretty much everything is psychoactive to an extent. In virtually every spice cabinet in the world there's at least one plant product that can make a person hallucinate, feel euphoric, etc. Nutmeg is among the most common - a couple teaspoons will make a person experience something similar in effect to Mescaline or LSD. They'll feel pretty unpleasant for a time, but it's not unheard of for people to abuse spices in this fashion, especially in prisons. Ginger, turmeric, tea, mint, chamomile, common sage, etc all have compounds which in right doses can be pretty potent. As they are generally consumed they have an effect on one's state of mind. This sort of legislature is regressive and foolish.

this is ridiculous. people are going to take any chemical to get high and cause more damage than previously to their innerds. Starting new wars only to end in further ruin.

You know your drug laws are dumb when you have to add arbitrary exemptions for certain things that would otherwise be banned under the same criteria.

[quote]The new act states that a substance produces a psychoactive effect “if, by stimulating or depressing the person’s central nervous system, it affects the person’s mental functioning or emotional state”. [/quote] This is the stupidest anti-drug legislation in the Western world. Congrats the UK, you make highest-incarnation-rate America look progressive on the War on Drugs.

This is so god damn stupid it hurts my head.

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;50275903]If this being used against spice, I can understand it. If it's going to be used to put spice addicts in jail rather than rehab then the government can get a rusty pole and fuck themselves up the arse with it. This is coming from the government whose own drug advisor said "legalisation is the way forward", party said " hmm no" and proceeded to fire the advisor. The fucks the point in hiring one in the first place?[/QUOTE] [quote]Following the release of this pamphlet, Nutt was dismissed from his ACMD position by the Home Secretary, Alan Johnson. Explaining his dismissal of Nutt, Alan Johnson wrote in a letter to The Guardian, that "He was asked to go because he cannot be both a government adviser and a campaigner against government policy. [...] As for his comments about horse riding being more dangerous than ecstasy, which you quote with such reverence, it is of course a political rather than a scientific point.[/quote] this scientific fact is [I]obviously[/I] just a political point and so we cannot take the truth of it in consideration!!! if you read the wikipedia article for david nutt about his dismissal, you can see that pretty much all the real scientists who know stuff disagree with his dismissal

One thing I wish was not the case about David Nutt was his last name. I feel that at least at an subconscious level, the authorities in charge subliminally held that Nutt was a nut-case and had nutty ideas when it came to legalization the drugs. Inappropriate puns were likely used while attempting to professionally discredit Mr. Nutt before sacking him.

How do these pig-headed fuckers expect to take the commons again without allowing the populace to willingly sedate themselves?

So essentially nootropics are banned in the UK?

[QUOTE=Tobba;50275482]That makes it even more ridiculous. I wonder if this includes Theanine? (psychoactive component of green tea) [editline]7th May 2016[/editline] Uh yeah this technically bans green tea. Whoops? Guess it might be excluded under the food clause though.[/QUOTE] Kratom should also be considered a food

Everything psychoactive. Could it be argued that fish and chips would be illegal? Eating fish and chips fills me with great pleasure, while my girlfriend feels regretful and guilty.

[QUOTE=Doozle;50277167]Everything psychoactive. Could it be argued that fish and chips would be illegal? Eating fish and chips fills me with great pleasure, while my girlfriend feels regretful and guilty.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's kind of one of the many problems with this bill - there is no specific definition of what psychoactive actually means included and no test for what constitutes psychoactive/not psychoactive.

"We know what's best for you" Next we'll start colonising again, to tame and teach savages to live in a dignified manner Makes my blood boil