[quote]The Harper government took a major step forward Tuesday on one of the most controversial B.C. political issues in a generation, announcing its conditional approval of Enbridge Inc.’s proposed $7.9 billion oilsands pipeline megaproject.
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[quote]One pipeline will carry an average of 525,000 barrels of diluted bitumen daily to the B.C. coast for Asia-bound supertankers, while the other will bring back 193,000 barrels of condensate to mix with the gooey oilsands resource to make it easier to transport.[/quote]
[quote]The government said it supports the findings of a National Energy Board-Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency joint review panel.
That three-person panel, in its December report, found that the “project’s potential benefits for Canada and Canadians outweigh the potential burdens and risks.”
However, the panel imposed 209 conditions on the project, 113 of which must be completed before construction begins.
Natural Resources Minister Greg Rickford, in a prepared statement, said the project's proponent still must demonstrate to the National Energy Board how it will meet the 209 conditions.
"Today constitutes another step in the process," he said.
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[quote]Grand Chief Stewart Phillip, president of the Union of B.C. Indian chiefs, accused Harper of "pandering to big oil" in a CBC interview and didn't reject the notion aboriginal protesters will deploy civil disobedience.
"We will do whatever is necessary."[/quote]
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And so begins another 15 years before any attempt can be made to start construction because a bunch of butthurt hippies will try and bog it down in the courts and resort to acts of sabotage. Chooser the lesser of the evils. By order of magnitude the pipeline is far safer than transport by rail/road which you would propose and then fight as well you twisted motherfuckers.
Sure the pipeline was going to come regardless but it's not politically motivated. Any of the parties would of also OK'd it because of the money it would bring in.
I'm fine with the pipeline as long as it's done very safely, I just have my doubts about how much care they're going to put into it
[QUOTE=Elspin;45138699]I'm fine with the pipeline as long as it's done very safely, I just have my doubts about how much care they're going to put into it[/QUOTE]
They put a pipeline here (east coast of florida) and it's an exposed steel pipeline on the beach.
To make my point more clear, it's a big piece of steel, constantly exposed to oxygen, water, and salt.
Last time I saw it the rust looked about an inch thick, no clue how thick the actual pipe is though
Nice, right in an earthquake zone
Gut environmental oversight, then build a pipeline. Can't wait for the first spill that the taxpayers have to clean up! (Which will happen after Harper is long gone, of course)
Have oil pipeline burst and spill... Massive environmental and tax payer disaster... Public butthurt reaches new levels, and people begin demanding that green tech industries get subsides to prevent things like this from happening.
Either way it goes, no pipe burst or pipe burst, it'll end with some changes happening and massive economic boosts.
Pipes are not the safest bet at all, they leak constantly and you wont even be able to see it until you get up close or you see the runoff turning black. God knows the hippies are going to do what they do because its a horrible idea
Well can't say I'm surprised, and honestly its not like the oil wouldn't be used otherwise, but damn, I hope both the companies and the governments benefiting from this choose to spend this new found income on some more long term energy technologies. This stuff won't be used forever and currently Canada's economy (and to a lesser extent the U.S economy) rely on it way too much.
Environmentalists collectively have an aneurysm..
[QUOTE=DylanWilson;45138747]They put a pipeline here (east coast of florida) and it's an exposed steel pipeline on the beach.
To make my point more clear, it's a big piece of steel, constantly exposed to oxygen, water, and salt.
Last time I saw it the rust looked about an inch thick, no clue how thick the actual pipe is though[/QUOTE]
Might be galvanized. No way they would stick a normal piece of metal out there
Norway mandates a certain percentage of profits from their petroleum industry go into research and development for renewable energy, right?
Our provinces should start doing that. It would mean jobs now [i]and[/i] in the future instead of just now.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45139170]Norway mandates a certain percentage of profits from their petroleum industry go into research and development for renewable energy, right?
Our provinces should start doing that. It would mean jobs now [i]and[/i] in the future instead of just now.[/QUOTE]
I can't say I disagree.
I also think we should be putting Canada first with our oil, rather than building pipelines to make it more efficient to ship to China, we should be building pipelines and refineries that make gas less expensive for Canadians. We have the world's 3rd largest oil reserves, and yet we are apparently the only country losing money on oil, because we sell it cheap crude and buy it back expensive refined.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;45139083]Might be galvanized. No way they would stick a normal piece of metal out there[/QUOTE]
No. Pipeline pipes aren't galvanized. However, what he may be seeing is a casing around the actual pipeline, which would be designed to rust and be replaced in such a corrosive environment. It's the same thing they do to pipelines that cross under ground under roadways. The pipeline is required to be cased from right of way to right of way so if a roadway construction crew accidentally hit it, they would damage the casing instead of the actual pipeline. They do the same thing in corrosive environments where using alloys would be too expensive or impractical.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;45139272]I can't say I disagree.
I also think we should be putting Canada first with our oil, rather than building pipelines to make it more efficient to ship to China, we should be building pipelines and refineries that make gas less expensive for Canadians. We have the world's 3rd largest oil reserves, and yet we are apparently the only country losing money on oil, because we sell it cheap crude and buy it back expensive refined.[/QUOTE]
we're dumb. we don't know how to manage our wealth of resources.
We sit on the canadian shield and from what I understand of that region, it is relatively mineral rich. we have huge oil fields and a strong lumber business. we're not really using any of this to improve ourselves besides cheaply whoring ourselves out for our raw resources.
Fuck no why
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Sure the pipeline was going to come regardless but it's not politically motivated. Any of the parties would of also OK'd it because of the money it would bring in.[/QUOTE]
Are you on crack
[URL="http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/BC/ID/2465594806/"]green party would say no[/URL] and smoke a joint later (don't ask me about the guy voicing over it i have no clue either)
[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/06/17/northern-gateway-decision-twitter_n_5505105.html"]NDP says that it would reverse the decision if elected [/URL]
The NDP smoke more crack than I do. Who the fuck would ever vote them into power?
Can Harper just get aids and die already?
I swear to god if trudeau isn't elected I'm going to smash my head into a brick wall until I die
At this point I'm pretty convinced they're just sick people who want to intentionally destroy the environment.
Well, anything for money, right?
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And so begins another 15 years before any attempt can be made to start construction because a bunch of butthurt hippies will try and bog it down in the courts and resort to acts of sabotage. Chooser the lesser of the evils. By order of magnitude the pipeline is far safer than transport by rail/road which you would propose and then fight as well you twisted motherfuckers.
Sure the pipeline was going to come regardless but it's not politically motivated. Any of the parties would of also OK'd it because of the money it would bring in.[/QUOTE]
Interestingly enough, rail and highways are essentially saturated by this point. Alberta's oil export is being limited by logistics, rather than capital.
With oil, no big corporation really wants a price war. They'd rather have it shipped overseas than to compete with each other in north america.
Few more things. Rust is usually OK on various structures, as it forms a protective layer over what isn't rusted. As long as the rust isn't actively falling off, it only looks bad from the outside. Also realize that all structures in NA have building codes that regulate various specs. Considering the billions it would cost for a cleanup operation, a few extra million to keep safety factors high is something the people designing the pipeline will be doing.
Lastly, the people building the pipeline are not total retards. They like profits, sure, but they also know if they accidentally do a BP, they're fucked.
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