How Star Wars Trumped Star Trek For Scientific Accuracy - Polidicks

[img]http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/589323763/shadowlockedicon_bigger.jpg[/img] [url=http://www.shadowlocked.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=587:the-praxis-effect-star-wars-over-star-trek&catid=48:movies-misc]Source[/url] [highlight]The Praxis effect: Star Wars > Star Trek [/highlight] [release] [img]http://www.shadowlocked.com/images/stories/features/praxis_effect/doh_praxis_effect.jpg[/img] I'm not aware of any intense rivalry between Star Trek and Star Wars fans; the two extended franchises probably had adequate influence over each other to live in peace on any SF enthusiast's DVD shelf. But anyone out there looking for the Lucasverse to score points over the Federation can take comfort in the thought that hard science apparently defends the second-most outrageous piece of Star Wars revisionism after the Greedo/Han shooting controversy - whilst dissing Klingon physics. Astronomer Phil Plait, who debunks movie myths about matters celestial at badastronomy.com, apparently surmises that the much-reviled ILM rethink of the Death Star explosion - which added a concentric explosion ring to the conclusion of A New Hope in Lucas's revised 1997 theatrical release of the original Star Wars trilogy - is more scientifically correct than its original appearance in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991). [img]http://www.shadowlocked.com/images/stories/features/praxis_effect/praxis_explodes.jpg[/img] In his 2002 book Bad Astronomy: Misconceptions And Misuses Revealed, From Astrology To The Moon Landing 'Hoax', Plait casts doubt on the verisimilitude of (Lucasfilm effects house) Industrial Light And Magic's seminal CGI effect depicting the explosion of the Klingon moon Praxis in Undiscovered Country. Since explosions in space tend toward spherical shape unless impeded, Plait concludes that the blast pattern resulting from the explosion of the Klingon mining operation has no credible reason to resolve into a ring form, even if everyone thinks the effect is far cooler here than in 1997's revised New Hope. Conversely, the surface integrity of the Death Star hull is interrupted by a perfect ring in the form of the gargantuan maintenance trench which encircles it, meaning that at this point of interrupted stress, a growing explosion would find the least resistance. This makes the highly criticised 'ring effect' far more plausible in New Hope [V.2.0] than its predecessor in Star Trek VI. Sadly, upon closer inspection, we see that ILM blew this rare opportunity for scientific realism in the Star Wars universe... [img]http://www.shadowlocked.com/images/stories/features/praxis_effect/blew_the_death_star_effect.jpg[/img] [/release] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This isn't a news article" - TH89))[/highlight]

But it has a fiery explosion. The argument is invalid.

Except the thing is, the deathstar can't really have a fiery explosion in space.

There was oxygen in the death star though, so there could be a little fire.

Well, actually, the concept of space is yet unconfirmed, upon closer studies it's been shown that space is actually water. Which explains just how the astronauts could move like that on the moon. You see, during the Celopathrian ages, at 1956, the vast space as we known it was filled by water due to the tropical sun, the counterpart of the regular sun.

It's okay, because in my heart, I know that Star Trek will always be better.

Clifford Clavin, you're like a mobile Badage Boys thread, you know that right?

[QUOTE=starpluck;24366189]Except the thing is, the deathstar can't really have a fiery explosion in space.[/QUOTE] There is also no sound in space, but we can hear the gunshots from the fighters and the defenses. I wouldn't really compare Star Wars and Star Trek by way of realism, because bluntly put neither of them are.

[QUOTE=Clifford Clavin;24366236]Well, actually, the concept of space is yet unconfirmed, upon closer studies it's been shown that space is actually water. Which explains just how the astronauts could move like that on the moon. You see, during the Celopathrian ages, at 1956, the vast space as we known it was filled by water due to the tropical sun, the counterpart of the regular sun.[/QUOTE] omg its so randum am i funy giuez??????????? xDxDxD

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;24366254]Clifford Clavin, you're like a mobile Badage Boys thread, you know that right?[/QUOTE] I must disagree with you there, bud. You see, textillian entities does not weigh the anatomical or dynamic structure to be mobile, and has not done so ever since the invention of the steam engine, during the days of Count Dracula's election.

Herp derp the Death Star has a trench therefore the praxis effect could've happened meaning Star Wars > Star Trek I don't care about scientific accuracy I will just go back to fapping furiously to Princess Leia in the golden bikini thing EDIT: Star Wars is fantasy. Stop trying to justify it.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;24366332]Herp derp the Death Star has a trench therefore the praxis effect could've happened meaning Star Wars > Star Trek I don't care about scientific accuracy I will just go back to fapping furiously to Princess Leia in the golden bikini thing EDIT: Star Wars is fantasy. Stop trying to justify it.[/QUOTE] But we can believe. [B]We can believe.[/B]

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;24366332]Herp derp the Death Star has a trench therefore the praxis effect could've happened meaning Star Wars > Star Trek I don't care about scientific accuracy I will just go back to fapping furiously to Princess Leia in the golden bikini thing EDIT: Star Wars is fantasy. Stop trying to justify it.[/QUOTE] Stop "justifying" Star Wars? What the fuck are you on about? Quit trying to start fights.

[QUOTE=Clifford Clavin;24366316]I must disagree with you there, bud. You see, textillian entities does not weigh the anatomical or dynamic structure to be mobile, and has not done so ever since the invention of the steam engine, during the days of Count Dracula's election.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-02-23-Mackie.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=BBKF;24366416]Stop "justifying" Star Wars? What the fuck are you on about? Quit trying to start fights.[/QUOTE] I mean that Star Wars is as scientifically accurate as The Lord of The Rings (To say something), and these people keep coming up with theories after theories, each more retarded than the last, to explain in a scientifically-plausible way how the technology and stuff could happen. It's obsessive.

neeeeerds nah I'm kidding star wars is better than star trek in all ways

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;24366445]I mean that Star Wars is as scientifically accurate as The Lord of The Rings (To say something), and these people keep coming up with theories after theories, each more retarded than the last, to explain in a scientifically-plausible way how the technology and stuff could happen. It's obsessive.[/QUOTE] I've never heard ANY of what you're talking about, other than this article. Either you're looking for the shit or I'm legally blind.

I would like to know why people keep trying to debunk scientific inconsistencies in Star Wars and Star Trek when the movies are fucking science-[b]fiction[/b].

[QUOTE=BBKF;24366545]I've never heard ANY of what you're talking about, other than this article. Either you're looking for the shit or I'm legally blind.[/QUOTE] Lucas made a fantasy movie in a sci-fi setting, he wasn't going for accuracy. [editline]02:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=StupidUsername67;24366579]I would like to know why people keep trying to debunk scientific inconsistencies in Star Wars and Star Trek when the movies are fucking science-[B]fiction[/B].[/QUOTE] Star Trek is more science-fiction, I'd call Star Wars science-fantasy.

Fiction as in not real [editline]02:40PM[/editline] broke my automerge dammit [editline]02:40PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;24366582] [editline]02:39PM[/editline] Star Trek is more science-fiction, I'd call Star Wars science-fantasy.[/QUOTE] Either way it boils down to "who gives a fuck, watch it and be entertained".

[QUOTE=Clifford Clavin;24366316]I must disagree with you there, bud. You see, textillian entities does not weigh the anatomical or dynamic structure to be mobile, and has not done so ever since the invention of the steam engine, during the days of Count Dracula's election.[/QUOTE] But everybody knows that election was fixed. I thought that when the scandal was made public, the Supreme Court of Transylvania made all inventions that were invented from the day of the election to be null and void.

[QUOTE=Clifford Clavin;24366316]I must disagree with you there, bud. You see, textillian entities does not weigh the anatomical or dynamic structure to be mobile, and has not done so ever since the invention of the steam engine, during the days of Count Dracula's election.[/QUOTE] I love you.

[QUOTE=starpluck;24366189]Except the thing is, the deathstar can't really have a fiery explosion in space.[/QUOTE] Then what just happened there? god have you even seen the movie!

I don't even remember ever seeing Praxis at all pre-explosion, who's to say it doesn't have a trench all the way around like the Death Star. It's a mining planet after all so it's possible they made one...!

[QUOTE=Tavish Degroot;24366243]It's okay, because in my dreams, I know that Star Trek will always be better.[/QUOTE] Fixed.

Who gives a shit which is better. I like star trek more, and maybe the next guy likes star wars more. I couldn't care less, and they don't have anything in common really. Except that they're both in space.

[QUOTE=bigdoggie;24367018]Who gives a shit which is better. I like star trek more, and maybe the next guy likes star wars more. I couldn't care less, and they don't have anything in common really. Except that they're both in space.[/QUOTE] and who can care less about scientific accuracy, if I wanted that I'll watch a documentary.

[QUOTE=SamPerson123;24366228]There was oxygen in the death star though, so there could be a little fire.[/QUOTE] Only a very little of it would be oxygen, as in .1% which would not be anywhere near enough to cause a explosion of that size.

Star Wars and Star Trek are both different things. And they're both good.

we need a starwars sub forum....