United Nations Committee expresses concerns about Racial Violence in the United States - Polidicks

[quote=Reuters]Although the United States has made efforts at reform, the group said it remained "extremely concerned" about the human rights situation of African-Americans. "In particular, the legacy of colonial history, enslavement, racial subordination and segregation, racial terrorism and racial inequality in the United States remains a serious challenge, as there has been no real commitment to reparations and to truth and reconciliation for people of African descent. "Impunity for State violence has resulted in the current human rights crisis and must be addressed as a matter of urgency." Police killings go unpunished because initial investigations are usually conducted by the police department where the alleged perpetrator works, because prosecutors have wide discretion over presenting charges, and because the use of force is not subject to international standards, the experts' group said. They recommended the United States create a reliable national system to track killings and excessive use of force by law enforcement officials, and end racial profiling, which is "a rampant practice and seriously damages the trust between African Americans and law enforcement officials".[/quote] [URL="http://in.reuters.com/article/usa-police-un-idINL8N1BZ3CF"]Source[/URL]

When a minority accounts for a majority of the crime, it's hard to not profile them.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51103582]When a minority accounts for a majority of the crime, it's hard to not profile them.[/QUOTE] Majority of crime is committed by white people lol.

Im sure the United Nations knows all about protecting human rights and solving problems with race relations, they've done such a :goodjob: of that in the past.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51103582]When a minority accounts for a majority of the crime, it's hard to not profile them.[/QUOTE] Is this really the argument you're using? Do you not realize how racist this is?

deep concern

[QUOTE=spiritlol;51103603]Im sure the United Nations knows all about protecting human rights and solving problems with race relations, they've done such a :goodjob: of that in the past.[/QUOTE] Yeah like those Anime Hentais

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51103582]When a minority accounts for a majority of the crime, it's hard to not profile them.[/QUOTE] it's actually pretty easy. you're just excusing racist generalizations. instead of profiling them, we should be looking at the factors that influence this crime in the first place. factors ranging from education to poverty all play a big part in why the stats are the way they are. let's try to fix the underlying causes instead of irrationally treating this as an inherent problem in the culture. [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=The Rifleman;51103588]Majority of crime is committed by white people lol.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf[/url] [img]http://i.imgur.com/AAKr1k8.png[/img]

[QUOTE=spiritlol;51103603]Im sure the United Nations knows all about protecting human rights and solving problems with race relations, they've done such a :goodjob: of that in the past.[/QUOTE] What UN recommendations do you think were wrong? To my knowledge the issue has been the individual countries refusing to do what the UN requests coupled with the fact that the UN, while a great idea in theory, lacks any bite to their bark.

[QUOTE=NixNax123;51103618]it's actually pretty easy. you're just excusing racist generalizations. instead of profiling them, we should be looking at the factors that influence this crime in the first place. factors ranging from education to poverty all play a big part in why the stats are the way they are. let's try to fix the underlying causes instead of irrationally treating this as an inherent problem in the culture. [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] [url]http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf[/url] [img]http://i.imgur.com/AAKr1k8.png[/img][/QUOTE] Well shit I stand corrected then.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;51103627]Well shit I stand corrected then.[/QUOTE] this stat is for homicide

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;51103588]Majority of crime is committed by white people lol.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43"]Black American make up about 13% of the population, but commit 52% of the murders.[/URL]

while racial bias in police is a problem, the current situation hardly stems from our racial colonial past, instead it is from our failed war on drugs and tough on crime policies. the idea that the US has done nothing to address our slavery past is quite laughable considering we actually have minority representation, minority outreach, we have history ciriculum condemning it, we have constant reminders throughout our society today and we have brought african american rights up to equal footing with those of the white slavers, so what is there more to do? reparations is rarely a long term solution, especially when the crime was committed over a century and a half ago, the people who should recieve the reparations are dead and their family is long since scattered. another issue is that black slaves DID recieve land, seized from slave plantations, which constituted a lot of money back then

[QUOTE=Flameon;51103631]this stat is for homicide[/QUOTE] and we are arguing racial violence in the united states. regardless, there are [url=http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pim09st.pdf]stats[/url] that show that overall incarceration rate for african-americans is still above whites, but the data is from 2009.

[QUOTE=SpartanApples;51103632][URL="https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43"]Black American make up about 13% of the population, but commit 52% of the murders.[/URL][/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/fact-sheets/poverty/"]Also 27.4 percent of black people live in poverty along with 26.6 percent of Hispanics - compared to 9.9 percent.[/URL] 45.8 percent of black children live in poverty compared to 14.5% of white children. Workers earning poverty-level wages are disproportionately female, black, Hispanic, or between the ages of 18 and 25. These are important statistics that need to be kept in mind when it comes to crime rate in the United States.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;51103588]Majority of crime is committed by white people lol.[/QUOTE] What he means is that they commit a disproportionate amount of crime relative to their total population size. This is actually true. They commit more murders, more robberies, more gang-related offenses (they're second only to Hispanics when it comes to the number that belong to gangs), and have high rates of offending where assault and things like that are concerned. A lot of the crime is also black-on-black as well, especially with murders.

[QUOTE=Govna;51103645]What he means is that they commit a disproportionate amount of crime relative to their total population size. This is actually true.[/QUOTE] But black people also have a significantly higher rate of poverty than the national average - black poverty is 27.4 percent, while the national poverty rate in the States is about 15%.

The poverty rate is also influenced by single motherhood, a family that's pretty much certain to be poor

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51103654]But black people also have a significantly higher rate of poverty than the national average - black poverty is 27.4 percent, while the national poverty rate in the States is about 15%.[/QUOTE] And? Yes, poverty is an issue, but it does not have to guarantee that a person will turn out shitty, and it does not excuse their actions either or change the statistics/make them go away. Moreover, how do you propose we fix this? Where does our obligation begin and end? Where does personal responsibility fit in to the equation?

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51103654]But black people also have a significantly higher rate of poverty than the national average - black poverty is 27.4 percent, while the national poverty rate in the States is about 15%.[/QUOTE] I don't think anybody here is arguing that black people's higher crime rate is inherent to their race.

[QUOTE=Govna;51103676]And? Yes, poverty is an issue, but it does not have to guarantee that a person will turn out shitty, and it does not excuse their actions either or change the statistics/make them go away.[/quote] No, of course, but it helps to explain the statistics because poverty is a huge factor in crime and crime rate. [quote]Moreover, how do you propose we fix this? Where does our obligation begin and end? Where does personal responsibility fit in to the equation?[/QUOTE] The States needs to tackle it's poverty problem by using proper economic policies that protect workers. Giving unions more power, reducing the gap between rich and poor, ensuring proper community services for poorer areas, ensuring that becoming a criminal for crimes like petty theft or drug use does not basically end whatever opportunities you have, etc. Personal responsibility in many of these situations is largely compromised because quite a number of poor people have little control over their lives. I can tell you one of the big reasons I'm in university is that I grew up in a middle class family. Upward mobility in the States is something of a myth and it's quite difficult to get out of poverty. Not impossible, but it's not as easy as 'work hard in school' or anything like that. [quote=_Axel]I don't think anybody here is arguing that black people's higher crime rate is inherent to their race.[/quote] At-least then I have ensured that if anyone does come into this thread and tries to argue that, they will have already lost. My posts were more so explaining the issue in more detail - posting crime statistics by themselves in my opinion doesn't give enough context.

[QUOTE=NixNax123;51103637]and we are arguing racial violence in the united states. regardless, there are [url=http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pim09st.pdf]stats[/url] that show that overall incarceration rate for african-americans is still above whites, but the data is from 2009.[/QUOTE] Here's 2013 data that says the same thing [url]http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p13.pdf[/url] page 8. Honestly im shocked that blacks, in raw numbers, outnumber whites in prison.

Isn't it statistically more likely to be a victim to a black person than to a white person? Wouldn't that make profiling a sad but necessary occurrence in everyday life or, say, law enforcement? It seems insensitive, but it [I]is[/I] pragmatic, i have to admit. And when we're talking about safety, there's not much room for emotions, is there?

[QUOTE=SirJon;51103789]Isn't it statistically more likely to be a victim to a black person than to a white person? Wouldn't that make profiling a sad but necessary occurrence in everyday life or, say, law enforcement? It seems insensitive, but it [I]is[/I] pragmatic, i have to admit. And when we're talking about safety, there's not much room for emotions, is there?[/QUOTE] If I'm not mistaken, that's only for victims who're black themselves (probably because murders usually don't happen between total strangers and there does seem to be a very significant amount of cultural segregation (Is that the right word?)). I'm fairly certain it's otherwise not the case by a relatively large margin, but I don't have the relevant statistic on hand right now.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;51103588]Majority of crime is committed by white people lol.[/QUOTE] There's more black on black and black on white crime then there is white on black crime.

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51103854]There's more black on black and black on white crime then there is white on black crime.[/QUOTE] For both blacks and whites, the vast majority of crime (80% +) is intraracial. You are correct though that there is, in terms of raw percentages, more "black on white crime" than "white on black crime". 1.) Whether that percentage is statistically significant, I haven't run a p-test 2.) What that data looks like controlling for wealth discrepancies, also unclear.

[QUOTE=SirJon;51103789]Isn't it statistically more likely to be a victim to a black person than to a white person? Wouldn't that make profiling a sad but necessary occurrence in everyday life or, say, law enforcement? It seems insensitive, but it [I]is[/I] pragmatic, i have to admit. And when we're talking about safety, there's not much room for emotions, is there?[/QUOTE] I think most people could be fine with that IF unjust treatment wouldn't occur to innocent blacks because of that. That line of preassumptive thinking is what got so many innocent blacks incarcerated in the 20th century. We still have blacks who were convicted back then being released from prison now because it turned out, they never were guilty in the first place. People must be judged individually. Prematurely judging individuals based on the actions of their group is simply the lazy way out.

[QUOTE=TheLonelyDonu;51103605]Is this really the argument you're using? Do you not realize how racist this is?[/QUOTE] In what way was JoeSkylynx demonstrating that he believed he was superior to someone of a different race? I really hate how the the word "racist" is misused all of the time, its actual definition is "a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another" (source: google search of "define racist" and practically every dictionary).

[QUOTE=_RJ_;51104034]In what way was JoeSkylynx demonstrating that he believed he was superior to someone of a different race? I really hate how the the word "racist" is misused all of the time, its actual definition is "a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another" (source: google search of "define racist" and practically every dictionary).[/QUOTE] alright that was a pretty bigoted statement then edit: I think Joe's attitude is the exact reason you have black people getting lengthy sentences for black people compared to white people, who often get off scot-free

[QUOTE=NixNax123;51103618]let's try to fix the underlying causes instead of irrationally treating this as an inherent problem in the culture.[/QUOTE] we shouldn't exclude angles. it likely is a combination of lack of income/education and issues with culture, in much the same way the likelyhood of white southerners being bigots comes from issues in both education and culture.