Obamacare "success story" says she can’t afford new health insurance - Polidicks

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-%E2%80%98success-story--says-she-can-t-afford-new-health-plan-225839697.html[/url] [quote] A single mom from Washington State who was cited by President Obama as an Affordable Care Act success story now says she’ll go uninsured and calls the program a “treadmill of bureaucracy.” [URL="http://washingtonstatewire.com/blog/rude-awakening-for-federal-way-woman-who-got-shout-out-from-president-cant-afford-obamacare-policy-after-all/"] Washington State Wire [/URL] reports that Jessica Sanford, 48, discovered that she is no longer eligible for a large subsidy that would have lowered her monthly premium to $169 per month. Instead, Sanford would now be [URL="http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/19/obamacare-success-story-cant-afford-obamacare/"]forced to pay nearly four times as much[/URL], $621, for coverage. Sanford told the paper she believes the government should shut down the entire healthcare.gov site until the site’s issues are resolved. “In my opinion they ought to shut it down and just get all of it straightened out.” That's a complete 180 from what Sanford thought she was signing up for last month when Obama touted her as an Affordable Care Act success story. During a White House Rose Garden ceremony on Oct. 21, [URL="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/19/bad-news-for-woman-cited-as-obamacare-success-story/"]Obama read an email from Sanford[/URL] in which she thanks the president for offering her help in obtaining a low-cost, high-quality coverage plan.[/quote]

Wow... You know, I'm not quite sure what the point of the ACA is, exactly. We didn't base it on any of the social health programs that actually work, we haven't made it that much more accessible, and the increased coverage amounts to me having pregnancy coverage and birth control. I'm a man. That showed up on next year's benefits sheet. I will likely never become pregnant. Oh, and I'm paying like $5000 more a year, so that's fun.

No shit her kid doesn't qualify for fucking medicaid. 49k per year for a two person household in Seattle would be 316% of the poverty line. Meanwhile her plan should be 270 bucks a month for the both of them, not 621. (without any subsidies.) [url]http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/#state=wa&zip=98101&income-type=dollars&income=49000&employer-coverage=0&people=2&alternate-plan-family=individual&adult-count=1&adults%5B0%5D%5Bage%5D=21&adults%5B0%5D%5Btobacco%5D=0&child-count=1&child-tobacco=0[/url]

Meanwhile in Canada..

What a mess.

We should have listened to Milton Friedman about this... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPADFNKDhGM[/media]

In my opinion universal healthcare works great when everyone are working towards making it as good as possible and it's implemented on a smaller scale. In the US as far as I see it the sheer size of the US coupled with the republicans working against Socialized healthcare at every turn has really crippled a system that could have been great. Which is why in my opinion it works so well in Scandinavian countries: Everyone, even the right-wing parties, are for it(even though they want to introduce private alternatives) and every country in Scandinavia has such a small population that the bureaucratic problem is severely reduced.

$621 a month? fuck, you might as well not get the insurance and save up that money incase something does happen to you, because if you pay for the costs outright you'd probably be financially better off. I'm glad of the system we have here in Australia. pay up to a 1.5% levy on income tax for medicare and if something happens to you the government massively subsidises any costs you have.

Silly Americans...

If this is what regulating the healthcare industry does, then we need to start strangling it. Or preferably, get rid of it altogether and get national healthcare set up.

[QUOTE=FPSMango;42940216]In my opinion universal healthcare works great when everyone are working towards making it as good as possible and it's implemented on a smaller scale. In the US as far as I see it the sheer size of the US coupled with the republicans working against Socialized healthcare at every turn has really crippled a system that could have been great. Which is why in my opinion it works so well in Scandinavian countries: Everyone, even the right-wing parties, are for it(even though they want to introduce private alternatives) and every country in Scandinavia has such a small population that the bureaucratic problem is severely reduced.[/QUOTE] Are we already resorting to blaming the republicans? Let your spectacular failure fall in flames and burn out at least before you start placing the blame. The problem with this law is that it is written in a retarded way, and implemented badly. It is a bad law. It is both of their faults, but as usual each person will stick to their party no matter what. Good luck with that.

[QUOTE=woolio1;42940058]Wow... You know, I'm not quite sure what the point of the ACA is, exactly. We didn't base it on any of the social health programs that actually work, we haven't made it that much more accessible, and the increased coverage amounts to me having pregnancy coverage and birth control. I'm a man. That showed up on next year's benefits sheet. I will likely never become pregnant. Oh, and I'm paying like $5000 more a year, so that's fun.[/QUOTE] But it is based on a system that works...

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42940544]Are we already resorting to blaming the republicans? Let your spectacular failure fall in flames and burn out at least before you start placing the blame. The problem with this law is that it is written in a retarded way, and implemented badly. It is a bad law. It is both of their faults, but as usual each person will stick to their party no matter what. Good luck with that.[/QUOTE] Since the Republicans tried their best to completely wreck the bill and twist it into a mockery of what it was supposed to do, blaming them isn't uncalled for. The best bit for them is that when the unholy abomination of a bill they helped created fails, as it will probably will, they can use it demonstrate that state intervention in healthcare is wrong and let the old status quo reign supreme.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;42940611]Since the Republicans tried their best to completely wreck the bill and twist it into a mockery of what it was supposed to do, blaming them isn't uncalled for. The best bit for them is that when the unholy abomination of a bill they helped created fails, as it will probably will, they can use it demonstrate that state intervention in healthcare is wrong and let the old status quo reign supreme.[/QUOTE] In the end, it's not the republicans fault. The bill was passed, yet people still are blaming the republicans for what exactly?

[QUOTE=redBadger;42940655]In the end, it's not the republicans fault. The bill was passed, yet people still are blaming the republicans for what exactly?[/QUOTE] So the republicans made the bill into the fuck up it currently is by forcing amendments to the Democrat's original idea, and they therefore are in no way to blame for it? If you insist...

[QUOTE=Camundongo;42940697]So the republicans made the bill into the fuck up it currently is by forcing amendments to the Democrat's original idea, and they therefore are in no way to blame for it? If you insist...[/QUOTE] I'll make this blunt because I don't feel anyone else was that clear about it. Which isn't anyone's fault here. You're supposed to be mad at the individuals and what they did, not the party. Do not hate "republicans", hate the idiots who personally and individually fucked you over.

[QUOTE=FPSMango;42940216]In my opinion universal healthcare works great when everyone are working towards making it as good as possible and it's implemented on a smaller scale. In the US as far as I see it the sheer size of the US coupled with the republicans working against Socialized healthcare at every turn has really crippled a system that could have been great. Which is why in my opinion it works so well in Scandinavian countries: Everyone, even the right-wing parties, are for it(even though they want to introduce private alternatives) and every country in Scandinavia has such a small population that the bureaucratic problem is severely reduced.[/QUOTE] Except you don't have universal healthcare so how do you know it wouldn't work? All this proves it that the ACA is shit.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;42940774]I'll make this blunt because I don't feel anyone else was that clear about it. Which isn't anyone's fault here. You're supposed to be mad at the individuals and what they did, not the party. Do not hate "republicans", hate the idiots who personally and individually fucked you over.[/QUOTE]I feel perfectly fine hating the entire Republican party given their platform and the people the pick and put in to power. Why should I not hate the party for being the biggest backwards, inebriated, conservative cluster fuck in the western world?

[QUOTE=toaster468;42940610]But it is based on a system that works...[/QUOTE]If it was based on a system that works, we wouldn't have what we have now.[QUOTE=Camundongo;42940611]Since the Republicans tried their best to completely wreck the bill and twist it into a mockery of what it was supposed to do, blaming them isn't uncalled for. The best bit for them is that when the unholy abomination of a bill they helped created fails, as it will probably will, they can use it demonstrate that state intervention in healthcare is wrong and let the old status quo reign supreme.[/QUOTE]Anyone else remember that golden line, "but we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what's in it," or is that just me? This whole thing, the [i]entire process,[/i] from Obama announcing he was going to do this before he was elected going all the way up to now, was a gigantic fucking train-wreck. Watching the debates and the bitching and the haggling was like watching a reality TV show, it was just sad and pathetic. Foreigners don't understand that, no, this was never going to be [i]anything[/i] like what you have in your countries. We weren't going to have a little bit taken out in our taxes, and then everyone pays like twenty bucks when they go in for a checkup, hell no. We were never going to get what you have, ever, and now we have this mess.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;42940774]I'll make this blunt because I don't feel anyone else was that clear about it. Which isn't anyone's fault here. You're supposed to be mad at the individuals and what they did, not the party. Do not hate "republicans", hate the idiots who personally and individually fucked you over.[/QUOTE] Despite my vitriol, I'm actually British so I save my hate for both the Conservative and Labour parties screwing over the NHS. In a similar vein though, both the Republicans and the Democrats have to shoulder the blame for the state of the Affordable Care Act - it just annoys me, after having watched it's progression through Congress, to see people dump all the blame on Obama and the Democrats.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;42940261]$621 a month? fuck, you might as well not get the insurance and save up that money incase something does happen to you, because if you pay for the costs outright you'd probably be financially better off. I'm glad of the system we have here in Australia. pay up to a 1.5% levy on income tax for medicare and if something happens to you the government massively subsidises any costs you have.[/QUOTE] Well it's illegal to not have health insurance now, if I'm not mistaken. Pay a fine the first time. Pay a bigger fine the next. Possibly prosecuted the next. Besides $621 is just enough to afford a single IV in a hospital visit. It is the same cost of my last hospital visit when all I had was a shot of Marcain in my gums

[QUOTE=FPSMango;42940216]In my opinion universal healthcare works great when everyone are working towards making it as good as possible and it's implemented on a smaller scale. In the US as far as I see it the sheer size of the US coupled with the republicans working against Socialized healthcare at every turn has really crippled a system that could have been great. Which is why in my opinion it works so well in Scandinavian countries: Everyone, even the right-wing parties, are for it(even though they want to introduce private alternatives) and every country in Scandinavia has such a small population that the bureaucratic problem is severely reduced.[/QUOTE] The PPACA isn't socialized healthcare. It's a retarded bullshit mandate. If it were socialized healthcare people would pay a percentage out of their taxes. Not be forced to buy insurance from a private company or be charged extra on your taxes. Which all these insurers raised their premiums in most states and since it's a mandate that everyone over 26 have insurance they can charge whatever they want. This isn't the republicans fault. This is Obama and his crony's in congress fault. But Obama doesn't care because he has a shitload of money so this doesn't effect him in the slightest. I wouldn't mind socialized healthcare but our government is too stupid to be able to pull it off. That is why they came up with this oh so brilliant idea. [QUOTE=TheTalon;42940967]Well it's illegal to not have health insurance now, if I'm not mistaken. Pay a fine the first time. Pay a bigger fine the next. Possibly prosecuted the next. Besides $621 is just enough to afford a single IV in a hospital visit. It is the same cost of my last hospital visit when all I had was a shot of Marcain in my gums[/QUOTE] It's not illegal. There are [B]only[/B] fines that they said weren't enforceable.. but they are. Also $621 a month is insane. I pay slightly more than that for rent. Why the FUCK should anyone have to pay as much for insurance as they do for a place to live.

[QUOTE=redBadger;42940655]In the end, it's not the republicans fault. The bill was passed, yet people still are blaming the republicans for what exactly?[/QUOTE] they killed the public option the debate starts and ends simultaneously with this undeniable fact

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;42940808]Except you don't have universal healthcare so how do you know it wouldn't work? All this proves it that the ACA is shit.[/QUOTE] I don't? [quote=wikipedia]Universal health care was next introduced in the Nordic countries of Sweden (1955), Iceland (1956), Norway (1956)[/quote] Also to clarify I'm not saying that the republican party is responsible for ruining the ACA, just that when half of all the politicians are against a reform and voting against crucial parts of it it's going to affect the quality. The bureaucratic problems with ACA are however on the Democrats.

You guys seriously need free public health care instead of this. It's insane how people can die in a developed country just because they couldn't afford treatment.

Why didn't we just steal Britain's system?

[QUOTE=woolio1;42940058]Wow... You know, I'm not quite sure what the point of the ACA is, exactly. We didn't base it on any of the social health programs that actually work, we haven't made it that much more accessible, and the increased coverage amounts to me having pregnancy coverage and birth control. I'm a man. That showed up on next year's benefits sheet. I will likely never become pregnant. Oh, and I'm paying like $5000 more a year, so that's fun.[/QUOTE] All it did was open up insurance companies to tax payer dollars.

They should just scrap the whole thing and try again later.

There is clearly more to the story here. She was probably told wrong in the first place, and it was the Washington STATE exchange that fucked it up. The story is being used to sling mud at the healthcare.gov site and Obama when neither of them actually had anything to do with it.

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;42941332]Why didn't we just steal Britain's system?[/QUOTE] Because our system is now beginning to fail. We're suffering from too many citizens, not enough staff and too small a budget. The system has become less militarised since it's conception and has only gone downhill since then.