At some point in my life, the sooner the better, i'd like to get a formal education in music production and theory. I'm planning on getting a general education in music at my community college but I suck at using programs like fruity loops.
are there courses in using digital audio workstations, other equipment like mixers etc and getting in the inspirational groove to create/use inspiration in order to make music? I know music theory classes exist at least. Plus what prerequisites are required in this path i plan on taking?
Berklee
is it hard to get into? i suck at school more than i suck at fruity loops
Yeah Berklee is more of an exclusive school
I've Heard of Full Sail.
are there any easier to get into schools? preferably in california
there might be courses at a nearby community college that could help you out.
McNally Smith has good teachers, isn't TOO expensive
still pretty expensive though
Expense isn't that much of a factor.
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;27488149]there might be courses at a nearby community college that could help you out.[/QUOTE]
i'm certain they won't have production or theory classes because the community college i'm going to only has like songwriting, music basics and other courses which dabble in what i want.
I'll still look into it though, mostly because i feel the closer a class is to what i want, the higher of a likelyhood i'll meet people there who i can relate to better. Always could use more friends
Pick up your grades. Most of these music schools have high standards cause most people who are involved in music, tend to have higher grades. There are exceptions, but still.
Honestly, check out some of the colleges in your state. A lot of colleges that aren't music schools still have very good music industry programs.
Monte Valo... Art Institute in Atlanta...
UAH, where I go has a Music with emphasis on music technology degree. Probably what I'm going into.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;27488834]Expense isn't that much of a factor.
i'm certain they won't have production or theory classes because the community college i'm going to only has like songwriting, music basics and other courses which dabble in what i want.
I'll still look into it though, mostly because i feel the closer a class is to what i want, the higher of a likelyhood i'll meet people there who i can relate to better. Always could use more friends[/QUOTE]
even better if you already attend one, since I'm sure you could just sit in on a course for a day and see what it's all about, or at least that's how things tend to go at the community college by me
and meeting people is always good, and music is a pretty network/community based industry so friends and all that are pretty good assets to have
Get into the musics basics class. It's going to teach you how to read music and learn about basic theory.
Yeah in the meantime i plan on taking the courses they have
Find a theory teacher near by. You really need to prepare yourself for a degree like this. It's not about reading the sheet music as much as it is working with it. Can be very stressful for Newcomers
i've been preparing most my life.
Do you know how to read music, how to form chords, what chords actually even are?
i plan on learning that in these courses im taking now
[QUOTE=Funcoot;27491758]Do you know how to read music, how to form chords, what chords actually even are?[/QUOTE]
The college courses will teach that. Many places may require a performance with the application, but the curriculum always starts with the assumptions that the student has no knowledge of music and music theory. The ability to read notation is likely to be expected though, but is probably still taught. Being familiar with basic music theory will make everything a lot easier, but it's not like they aren't going to teach you it.
yes
[QUOTE=Pepin;27492553]The college courses will teach that. Many places may require a performance with the application, but the curriculum always starts with the assumptions that the student has no knowledge of music and music theory. The ability to read notation is likely to be expected though, but is probably still taught. Being familiar with basic music theory will make everything a lot easier, but it's not like they aren't going to teach you it.[/QUOTE]
I know this, but if you don't arm yourself with this knowledge before hand, I would assume it would be easy to fall behind.
I'm going to college to become a Music Educator (band director), and I have been working on theory on and off for a while now just to prepare myself.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;27488073]are there any easier to get into schools? preferably in california[/QUOTE]
I go to the Art Institute of Seattle. AIS is hella easy to get into and isn't too bad. I am in their audio production program which is a little bit different than what you are into though. The focus of my program is recording and producing, and not "beat making" producing. You take a few music theory classes but all in all it's mostly about microphones, daws, studios, and consoles, with some stuff on creating and recording film audio and sound design.
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Oh and theres an art institute on California, I am pretty sure of it.
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Also I really wouldn't suggest audio unless it's something you're really into. It's most generally low pay with huge amounts of work, plus 90% of your work will be freelance unless you get a 9-5(very hard to do) so you gotta pay for your own health care and shit. This is something for someone with a passion, not for making big sums of money.
Art Institute schools themselves are pretty shittay. They're partly owned by Goldman Sachs to give you an idea how shady they are.
[QUOTE=Pepin;27492553]The college courses will teach that. Many places may require a performance with the application, but the curriculum always starts with the assumptions that the student has no knowledge of music and music theory. The ability to read notation is likely to be expected though, but is probably still taught. Being familiar with basic music theory will make everything a lot easier, but it's not like they aren't going to teach you it.[/QUOTE]. I highly recommend taking a piano class for this reason. When I started out learning theory, I gave myself a good three months of one on one lessons with my guitar teacher who teaches theory. When it came time for finals, that class completely raped me in the ass. Took two tries
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Also I really wouldn't suggest audio unless it's something you're really into. It's most generally low pay with huge amounts of work, plus 90% of your work will be freelance unless you get a 9-5(very hard to do) so you gotta pay for your own health care and shit. This is something for someone with a passion, not for making big sums of money.[/QUOTE]
that's not really a problem. i'm very passionate about music so much so that even if the work i'm taking is whoring my soul i'd be okay with it because i can see through the surface and realize music is music, and i love being the expert guru guy anyways so i could take pretty much any job, be it production of any kind or technical shit etc etc as long as it has to do with making music at the very least i'll be doing what i love regardless of if i'm expressing myself through my job or not. plus i've got a condition that could be manipulated for inspiration, free government cash, cheap housing and an excuse to be supported by my parents for a very very long time. that and i'm most likely taking over the family business which is music based so even if my parental support gets cut off due to death or something i'll most likely be living comfortably with a few if not many solid connections in the industry.
my big dream is to have at least one ninja tune release. if that ever happens, even a small obscure ep or a few songs on a compilation, i can die happy.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;27508601]that's not really a problem. i'm very passionate about music so much so that even if the work i'm taking is whoring my soul i'd be okay with it because i can see through the surface and realize music is music, and i love being the expert guru guy anyways so i could take pretty much any job, be it production of any kind or technical shit etc etc as long as it has to do with making music at the very least i'll be doing what i love regardless of if i'm expressing myself through my job or not. plus i've got a condition that could be manipulated for inspiration, free government cash, cheap housing and an excuse to be supported by my parents for a very very long time. that and i'm most likely taking over the family business which is music based so even if my parental support gets cut off due to death or something i'll most likely be living comfortably with a few if not many solid connections in the industry.
my big dream is to have at least one ninja tune release. if that ever happens, even a small obscure ep or a few songs on a compilation, i can die happy.[/QUOTE]
If you are looking to make music then you are not looking to take engineering. Being an audio engineer or producer means you work for the artist that is paying you. Even a producer who generally gets a lot of freedom making creative decisions is still just the guy who is turning the artist's vision into a reality.
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[QUOTE=Sporkfire;27499305]Art Institute schools themselves are pretty shittay. They're partly owned by Goldman Sachs to give you an idea how shady they are.[/QUOTE]
Not really. I have excellent instructors. One of my instructors was producer for the Staxx Brothers, and recorded the Neon Bible album by Arcade Fire. Another teacher works with Phil Ek who produces for Fleet Foxes, produced and album for Mudhoney, and recorded for Modest Mouse.
These guys got credentials, this isn't a "shittay" school.
The music industry is a service industry. That is all.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;27513652]The music industry is a service industry. That is all.[/QUOTE]
No it isn't. It is a very broad industry that does everything from services to manufacturing to marketing. Saying you want to be in the music industry means nothing because you could be a salesman, producer, artist, electrician, or just about anything else.
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Not really. I have excellent instructors. One of my instructors was producer for the Staxx Brothers, and recorded the Neon Bible album by Arcade Fire. Another teacher works with Phil Ek who produces for Fleet Foxes, produced and album for Mudhoney, and recorded for Modest Mouse.
These guys got credentials, this isn't a "shittay" school.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't mean much, almost every professor thats teaching that kind of stuff is expected to have worked in the industry on sizable projects. I was in a similar school/situation, but I'm not going to really elaborate further on it.
I say it all really depends on what kind of music you plan on going for. Its hard to make a living if you plan on going as a performance major......which i think i stupid considering no one should ever need a degree to call themselves a musician.
Berklee is a great school for music but.......its near impossible to get into especially if you play drums, bass guitar, or electric guitar.....because about 30-40% of the people who audition play one of those three.
Im going to be attending William Paterson University for Sound Engineering hopefully this fall...that school is VERY well known for its jazz program and if you plan on that I HIGHLY reccomend it but there is serious competition to get into these schools. I also reccomend the Hartt School up in Hartford but again that is also competitive and not to mention EXPENSIVE.
You really won't find any rock related programs at these colleges in fact most of them are focused on classical tracks than anything else which is why instruments like electric bass get cut out alot (Being a bassist I know and it really pisses me off since colleges all ask that you study upright bass) but a good amount of schools offer jazz tracks as well.
Virtually all of these schools require auditions for your admission into their music program so if you plan on this
....practice
your
ass
off
if you do well enough they may just slap you with a huge scholarship.
Good luck.
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