Dog jumps over stadium ledge, falls to its death. - Polidicks

[img]http://www.vancouversun.com/life/cms/binary/10382789.jpg[/img] [quote]Yaletown Pet Hospital said Friday that the dog, a six-year-old German shepherd, died Thursday despite attempts to perform CPR on the animal. It is the third dog known to have died after jumping over the ledge — located near Gate B and Terry Fox Plaza — since the spring of 2013. A fourth dog was seriously injured in May after jumping over the ledge, described by hospital staff as particularly dangerous for the animals.[/quote] [quote]“They (BC Place) really haven’t done much of anything other than put signs up as far as an effective response goes, so it would be nice if there was a higher barrier,” said hospital owner Dr. Rob Spooner of the dog’s death. “It’s a good 20-to-25-foot fall onto concrete.” The circumstances surrounding the four falls are similar — in each case, young, large, healthy and active off-leash dogs walked or ran toward the ledge, then climbed or jumped over it, unaware of the drop to Expo Boulevard on the other side.[/quote] [quote][b]“It’s not an-off leash area, so if people were obeying the rules — I don’t mean to sound harsh or critical — if the dogs were on-leash, this wouldn’t be an issue.[/b][/quote] [quote]“Although there are many signs installed on the plaza to remind owners to keep their dogs on leash at all times, BC Place will be taking additional measures to discourage further occurrences. This may include additional barriers, fences or other options.[/quote] [url=http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Place+ledge+claims+another+life/10382788/story.html]**SOURCE**[/url] I fucking hate this. BC Place is in no way at fault for what happened, but are forced to act anyways because idiots can't fucking follow the rules. It's not like it's a small barrier either. It's at least four feet tall and has been unchanged for 30 years.

A dog can jump off a lot of things, it should be the owner that's responsible for their own dog.

[quote]The circumstances surrounding the four falls are similar — in each case, young, large, healthy and active off-leash dogs walked or ran toward the ledge, then climbed or jumped over it, unaware of the drop to Expo Boulevard on the other side.[/quote] All 4 deaths would have been avoided by keeping the dogs on leash. Idiots shouldn't own pets if they can't obey basic signs.

Maybe I'm just not familiar with the particulars of dog behavior, but domesticated or not, don't most animals learn to look where they're going pretty early on in their lives? I find it bizarre that a dog would jump over an obstacle without looking over it first. The owners are obviously to blame for not keeping them leashed, but it's still strange...

[QUOTE=Furioso;46501073]Maybe I'm just not familiar with the particulars of dog behavior, but domesticated or not, don't most animals learn to look where they're going pretty early on in their lives? I find it bizarre that a dog would jump over an obstacle without looking over it first. The owners are obviously to blame for not keeping them leashed, but it's still strange...[/QUOTE] Young dogs tend to be really hyper and excited and not really think about it. My dog is old and lazy and she still sometimes runs into the glass patio door when she thinks I've opened the door but haven't.

Unless you spent millions (not kidding on this) and purchased a single family dwelling in downtown Vancouver you live in an apartment or a condo and oh my god can dogs get would up tighter than a clock when left inside for 20 hours a day. Of course for anyone who doesn't own their own place, WHY DO YOU OWN A DOG IN THE FIRST PLACE?

[QUOTE=pentium;46501126]Of course for anyone who doesn't own their own place, WHY DO YOU OWN A DOG IN THE FIRST PLACE?[/QUOTE] Some people want a dog?

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46501130]Some people want a dog?[/QUOTE] Then don't live downtown. Save 700 grand and get a Vancouver Special out between 12th and 41st.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yPGCM9z.png[/IMG] You... You're a terrible person. What the hell is wrong with you?

[QUOTE=Furioso;46501073]Maybe I'm just not familiar with the particulars of dog behavior, but domesticated or not, don't most animals learn to look where they're going pretty early on in their lives? I find it bizarre that a dog would jump over an obstacle without looking over it first. The owners are obviously to blame for not keeping them leashed, but it's still strange...[/QUOTE] it's a four foot tall barrier, a dog can't really look over it unless its freakishly huge or it jumps over/onto it but yeah leash your dogs people, especially when near a 20 foot drop

I totally agree with the leash issues here. -snip-

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;46501156][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yPGCM9z.png[/IMG] You... You're a terrible person. What the hell is wrong with you?[/QUOTE] You must be new here.

[QUOTE=pentium;46501028]It's at least four feet tall and has been unchanged for 30 years.[/QUOTE] That's really not a tall barrier for such a difference in height. I rarely see ledges with that much distance from the upper deck to the ground without at least a horizontal catch fence over the ledge. The ledges I do see like that are usually in places where nobody is allowed to be walking around (ie. freeway bridges.) In my opinion there should be some sort of fence there for the "what if". It's cheap insurance compared to a potential lawsuit.

[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;46501219]That's really not a tall barrier for such a difference in height. I rarely see ledges with that much distance from the upper deck to the ground without at least a horizontal catch fence over the ledge. The ledges I do see like that are usually in places where nobody is allowed to be walking around (ie. freeway bridges.) In my opinion there should be some sort of fence there for the "what if". It's cheap insurance compared to a potential lawsuit.[/QUOTE] Stand up (I know, it's asking a lot, but bear with me). Put your open hand right under your nipple. That's how high this barrier is. These barriers are designed to ensure the safety of people, not animals running around uncontrolled. There's no way you'd accidentally fall over that unless you were carrying a stack of bricks on your head, so that's more than reasonable to satisfy the city's responsibility for safety.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;46501193]You must be new here.[/QUOTE] I've been here for more than a year, but house pets dying just really bothers me. It's really a personal thing.

[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;46501219]That's really not a tall barrier for such a difference in height. I rarely see ledges with that much distance from the upper deck to the ground without at least a horizontal catch fence over the ledge. The ledges I do see like that are usually in places where nobody is allowed to be walking around (ie. freeway bridges.) In my opinion there should be some sort of fence there for the "what if". It's cheap insurance compared to a potential lawsuit.[/QUOTE] The 'Clean hands doctrine' would stop any lawsuit in its tracks. [url]http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/clean+hands+doctrine[/url] [quote]Clean hands doctrine n. a rule of law that a person coming to court with a lawsuit or petition for a court order must be free [b]from unfair conduct (have "clean hands" or not have done anything wrong) in regard to the subject matter[/b] of his/her claim. His/her activities not involved in the legal action can be abominable since it is considered irrelevant. As an affirmative defense (positive response) a defendant might claim the plaintiff (party suing him/her) has a "lack of clean hands" or "violates the clean hands doctrine" because the plaintiff has misled the defendant or [b]has done something wrong regarding the matter under consideration[/b]. Example: A former partner sues on a claim that he was owed money on a consulting contract with the partnershiip when he left, but the defense states that the plaintiff (party suing) has tried to get customers from the partnership by spreading untrue stories about the remaining partner's business practices[/quote] The dog being the subject matter was off leash by the plaintiffs (Dog owners), violating the rules that are signed in that area owned by the defendants. By not keeping their dogs on a leash and under control in that area, the plaintiffs are ultimately responsible for the actions the dog took by being off the leash and for the untimely death of their animals. It would be a good idea to build a fence to prevent future incidents like these from happening but people should really have enough common sense to follow the rules posted on signs in the area.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;46501156][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yPGCM9z.png[/IMG] You... You're a terrible person. What the hell is wrong with you?[/QUOTE] There will always be one person trying to be edgy who rates a news article about mass murder/bombings/other tragedies funny or winner.

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;46501291]Just erect a fence. Although I do feel sorry for both parties involved in this.[/QUOTE] Except that it doesn't need a fence simply because it's never been a problem so long as people followed the rules. For reference, here is BC Place. The barrier circles the entire structure on the balcony. You can see the west side of Expo Boulevard on the far left. [t]http://scoreinc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/BC_Place_Vision_2011_Stadium_Roof_2011-10-18_071500.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=mcattack1092;46501336]The 'Clean hands doctrine' would stop any lawsuit in its tracks. [url]http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/clean+hands+doctrine[/url] The dog being the subject matter was off leash by the plaintiffs (Dog owners), violating the rules that are signed in that area owned by the defendants. By not keeping their dogs on a leash and under control in that area, the plaintiffs are ultimately responsible for the actions the dog took by being off the leash and for the untimely death of their animals. It would be a good idea to build a fence to prevent future incidents like these from happening but people should really have enough common sense to follow the rules posted on signs in the area.[/QUOTE] It wouldn't necessarily stop a lawsuit, but it would be a pretty big barrier to jump over. Clean hands doctrine isn't an end-all defense in most cases. It's mostly meant for things like "I paid a meth dealer $50 and they didn't give me my shit, I'm gonna sue them".

There's a debate going on in my district about setting up gates around the local park to keep dogs from running since the closest thing the park has to barriers are 3 feet tall hedges. What people don't notice is a sign in the part saying dogs should be kept on leash at all times. bitching about your dog falling off a part of a marked leash area while he didnt have his leash or having them run out of a park or whatever is like bitching that you were hit by a car while not in a crosswalk. You could have avoided it by just respecting the rules given.

[QUOTE=Snowmew;46501241]Stand up (I know, it's asking a lot, but bear with me). Put your open hand right under your nipple. That's how high this barrier is. These barriers are designed to ensure the safety of people, not animals running around uncontrolled. There's no way you'd accidentally fall over that unless you were carrying a stack of bricks on your head, so that's more than reasonable to satisfy the city's responsibility for safety.[/QUOTE] Is the picture in the OP said barrier? If it is then it's really damn short. And if it isn't, the fact that you can even lean over the barrier is a problem. [QUOTE=mcattack1092;46501336]The 'Clean hands doctrine' would stop any lawsuit in its tracks. [url]http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/clean+hands+doctrine[/url] The dog being the subject matter was off leash by the plaintiffs (Dog owners), violating the rules that are signed in that area owned by the defendants. By not keeping their dogs on a leash and under control in that area, the plaintiffs are ultimately responsible for the actions the dog took by being off the leash and for the untimely death of their animals. It would be a good idea to build a fence to prevent future incidents like these from happening but people should really have enough common sense to follow the rules posted on signs in the area.[/QUOTE] Anyone can sue anyone at any time for any reason, and it doesn't have to be a good reason either. And just because there is X rule and Y law, it doesn't give you a textbook case solved in the way you think it will be solved every time.

Whether it's the owners or the stadiums fault, the thought of these dogs falling to their death horrifies me.

[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;46501509]Is the picture in the OP said barrier? If it is then it's really damn short. And if it isn't, the fact that you can even lean over the barrier is a problem.[/QUOTE] Do you not see the guy's massive, enormous forehead? It was quite clearly fucked with using a lens to make the barrier look smaller than it actually is.

As much as I love to let my dog be free and run without a leash, in ANY public area you NEED a leash so you're best friend doesn't have these unfortunate things happen! This owner is an absolute moron of a pet owner, not a morsel of situation awareness-- especially when you're in a fucking huge complex like that.

[QUOTE=pentium;46501153]Then don't live downtown. Save 700 grand and get a Vancouver Special out between 12th and 41st.[/QUOTE] can't agree with this. you might be great owners in a condo, or a shitty owner in a house. some people just want to live in certain areas and i dont think its fair that having pets should limit them, within reason.

Government, please nanny me, I can't do simple common sense stuff!

[QUOTE=RichyZ;46501301]just for that i clicked funny i hope you're proud of what you've done[/QUOTE] Good for you. While I get that it's probably not a good idea to express how you're offended by ratings on this forum due to the outcome, I'm not really sure what's so "utterly and incomprehensibly stupid" about the post considering that he's just briefly explaining why it bothers him.

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;46501114]Young dogs tend to be really hyper and excited and not really think about it. My dog is old and lazy and she still sometimes runs into the glass patio door when she thinks I've opened the door but haven't.[/QUOTE] That's pretty different, though. If the dog isn't paying attention, it makes sense that they'd think there wasn't any glass there, because dogs have worse eyesight than humans. Straight up blindly jumping from a ledge is absurd in comparison. [editline]16th November 2014[/editline] Also the dog was apparently six. That's not exactly young for a dog.

[QUOTE=pentium;46501028]I fucking hate this. BC Place is in no way at fault for what happened, but are forced to act anyways because idiots can't fucking follow the rules. It's not like it's a small barrier either. It's at least four feet tall and has been unchanged for 30 years.[/QUOTE] Four feet tall is nothing, though. You have to idiot and drunk-proof things these days. From the image it's the sort of thing kids would be hanging all over or trying to walk on top of.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;46501156][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yPGCM9z.png[/IMG] You... You're a terrible person. What the hell is wrong with you?[/QUOTE] Dark humor also is humor. Deal with it, I guess?