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[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/01/06/oregon.unruly.passenger/index.html[/URL]
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[B]Portland, Oregon (CNN)[/B] -- Two F-15 fighter jets escorted a passenger jet that had been headed for Hawaii back to Portland International Airport in Oregon after a passenger in coach became "uncooperative," an airline official said Wednesday.
Hawaiian Airlines Flight 39 took off from Portland at 10:10 a.m. with 231 passengers and a crew of 10 when -- 90 minutes into the flight -- its captain decided to turn around the Boeing 767, said Keoni Wagner, the airline's vice president of public affairs.
The fighter jets intercepted the plane at 1 p.m., North American Aerospace Defense Command said in a written statement.
It landed at 1:16 p.m. without further incident, the [URL="http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Transportation_Security_Administration"]TSA[/URL] said.
Upon the plane's return, the passenger -- a 56-year-old Salem, Oregon, man -- was escorted from the plane with his female companion without incident, the FBI and the Port of Portland said in a joint statement.
The FBI said it was not releasing his name because he had not been charged.
FBI agents and Port officers interviewed the passenger and his companion, the flight crew and others, then released the two and referred the matter to the U.S. Attorney's Office for review.
Local and federal officers searched the plane, then allowed it to depart again for Hawaii, absent the pair.
Oregon Air National Guard spokesman Sgt. John Hughel said command post officials told him they did not know who had placed the call for the escort.
In a statement, the Transportation Security Administration said the captain decided to return the plane to [URL="http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Portland_Oregon"]Portland[/URL] "due to a suspicious passenger who made threatening remarks and refused to store his carry-on bag."
Port of Portland Public Information Officer Martha Richmond told CNN that the plane was turned around "due to concerns the crew had."
Hawaiian Airlines spokesman Wagner said pilots occasionally return a jet to the airport from which it took off. But, he said he had never known one of the flights to be escorted by fighter jets. "That's new for us," he said.
NORAD spokesman John Cornelio said the command routinely monitors events in the air via the Domestic Events Network, a sort of party line that includes representatives of the Federal Aviation Administration and other agencies involved in national security.
The FAA acknowledged last November that it notified military authorities 69 minutes after losing radio contact with Northwest Flight 188, which had overflown its destination of Minneapolis-St. Paul airport.
Under standard procedures, the FAA managers should have reported the incident to the Domestic Events Network five to 10 minutes after losing contact with the flight.
Radio contact was eventually restored and the plane was redirected to its destination, where it landed without incident.
Afterward, the FAA promised to take steps to prevent a repeat of that failure.
The incident was one of two that occurred Wednesday. A Northwest Airlines flight preparing to take off from Miami International Airport in Florida for Detroit's Wayne County International Airport instead taxied back to the gate after a passenger "was heard making inappropriate remarks and acting disruptively," the airport said in an incident statement.
At the gate, local law enforcement and TSA personnel met the aircraft and all passengers were taken off the plane. The passenger and three companions were questioned by Miami Dade County police.
The aircraft was searched and cleared for its flight.[/quote]That's right. a 56 Year old Uncooperative passenger, probably refusing to put his seat in the full upright position, has prompted Norad to send TWO F-15 Eagles to intercept and escort the plane back to KPDX
What the Fuck, America?
(Sorry for the Jumbled mess)
With the attempted bombing around Christmas, I doubt they wanted to take any risks. But to scramble two fast jets, I expect theres much more happening that we don't know about.
Its official, an old man with a bag at his feet or on his lap has gotten more immediate air support than the however many planes high-jacked on 9/11.
Atleast this means they are improving............
I don't understand what a jet escort is meant for. There's nothing they can do to help if something goes wrong. It seems more like a way to destroy the plane, if it were hijacked.
[QUOTE=Foogooman;19481816]I don't understand what a jet escort is meant for. There's nothing they can do to help if something goes wrong. It seems more like a way to destroy the plane, if it were hijacked.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that's the point.
[QUOTE=Foogooman;19481816]I don't understand what a jet escort is meant for. There's nothing they can do to help if something goes wrong. It seems more like a way [b]to destroy the plane, if it were hijacked.[/b][/QUOTE]
That is exactly what the jets were for.
Imagine being in a plane that's been ordered to be taken down by fighter jets.
Well I guess I never really though about it. Interesting concept though.
Sending two jets, ready to destroy a plane filled with passengers should it be hijacked. It makes sense of course, but damn...
[QUOTE=Okeydokeyman;19481854]Imagine being in a plane that's been ordered to be taken down by fighter jets.[/QUOTE]
I'd open the hatch.
So, when nothing happens, people complain that they sent the two jets. But if something happens, everyone complains why they sent no jets. Excuse me? Do you see what's wrong there?
They can't always be knowing right if it's just a man that doesn't want to put away his bag full of beans or who has a bomb onboard. They always act as if it was a bomb, just to be sure. They learnt something from 9/11, because on that day, exactly that went wrong.
You think they would just land at the nearest airport
[QUOTE=DrLuke;19481898]So, when nothing happens, people complain that they sent the two jets. But if something happens, everyone complains why they sent no jets. Excuse me? Do you see what's wrong there?
They can't always be knowing right if it's just a man that doesn't want to put away his bag full of beans or who has a bomb onboard. They always act as if it was a bomb, just to be sure. They learnt something from 9/11, because on that day, exactly that went wrong.[/QUOTE]
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
That's the US in a nutshell.
[QUOTE=DrLuke;19481898]So, when nothing happens, people complain that they sent the two jets. But if something happens, everyone complains why they sent no jets. Excuse me? Do you see what's wrong there?
They can't always be knowing right if it's just a man that doesn't want to put away his bag full of beans or who has a bomb onboard. They always act as if it was a bomb, just to be sure. They learnt something from 9/11, because on that day, exactly that went wrong.[/QUOTE]
They learned how to fear terrorist; which in the end just makes them win?
[QUOTE=Okeydokeyman;19481854]Imagine being in a plane that's been ordered to be taken down by fighter jets.[/QUOTE]
Do a barrel roll!
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God that was bad
[QUOTE=Okeydokeyman;19481854]Imagine being in a plane that's been ordered to be taken down by fighter jets.[/QUOTE]
Imagine being the pilot of the plane ordered to bring it down, personally if it were me given the order, and it was over open ocean, I'd try to shoot out the engines. A level flying commercial airliner, No problem for a Fighter Pilot and the cannon on his Aircraft, although the probability for the pilot of the airliner, even if he has control, to make a successful water landing, and that's if the engines don't just fucking explode, is next to abso-fucking-lutely nothing, but the odds of survivability are still better than an Aim 9 in the ass
[QUOTE=Fables;19482012]They learned how to fear terrorist; which in the end just makes them win?[/QUOTE]
No, fact is, while it happens, nobody knows what's going on except the people on board of the plane. It was the same with 9/11, noone knew what was going, only once the planes hit the tower they somehow knew it was something bad going on.
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[QUOTE=TheTalon;19482140]Imagine being the pilot of the plane ordered to bring it down, personally if it were me given the order, and it was over open ocean, I'd try to shoot out the engines. A level flying commercial airliner, No problem for a Fighter Pilot and the cannon on his Aircraft, although the probability for the pilot of the airliner, even if he has control, to make a successful water landing, and that's if the engines don't just fucking explode, is next to abso-fucking-lutely nothing, but the odds of survivability are still better than an Aim 9 in the ass[/QUOTE]
I would shoot the plane so bullet ricochets at Jackie Chan who then deflects it with his fists so it hits the terrorists face.
Just yesterday my Dad was going through airport security. Apparently there was a pocket knife in the bag he took. Thankfully it was just a little airport, not some international one. They stoled it from him and let him go. :v:
[QUOTE=Okeydokeyman;19481854]Imagine being in a plane that's been ordered to be taken down by fighter jets.[/QUOTE]
I'd grab a chute and hop out the nearest emergency exit.
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;19482310]I'd grab a chute and hop out the nearest emergency exit.[/QUOTE]
Do they pack chutes on commercial airliners? Or would you bring your own?
[QUOTE=Squarebob;19482326]Do they pack chutes on commercial airliners? Or would you bring your own?[/QUOTE]
No they don't. I'm not even sure if flight crew get them anymore.
[QUOTE=Rombishead;19481904]You think they would just land at the nearest airport[/QUOTE]
They were over the pacific ocean. They WERE heading for the nearest airport.
Why would you want to bomb an airplane anyways, i just don't get it.
Because they carry hundreds of people, is impossible to Counter-Terrorist to physically stop you, and get's international attention.
Even if the guy does have a bomb or whatever...what the fuck are two F-15's gonna do?
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;19483570]Even if the guy does have a bomb or whatever...what the fuck are two F-15's gonna do?[/QUOTE]
Blow the plane up before it smashes into more skyscrapers.
Well the rest of the passangers would have a choice over the matter.
Get the fucking bomb/person out of the plane or get shot down by the friendly F-15 bird patrol squad.
[QUOTE=Foogooman;19481816]I don't understand what a jet escort is meant for. There's nothing they can do to help if something goes wrong. It seems more like a way to destroy the plane, if it were hijacked.[/QUOTE]
"Bring em' down over the ocean, we don't want another 9/11."
[B]You'd think 1 jet would be enough to destroy a defenseless plane.[/B]
[QUOTE=BigBoom;19484219]Well the rest of the passangers would have a choice over the matter.
Get the fucking bomb/person out of the plane or get shot down by the friendly F-15 bird patrol squad.[/QUOTE]
I kind of like this idea, Passengers take control of aircraft, Unanimous decision for the pilot to drop to 8,000 feet, open a door, throw his ass out, continue with flight
[QUOTE=Occlusion;19485511][B]You'd think 1 jet would be enough to destroy a defenseless plane.[/B][/QUOTE]
Better safe than sorry?
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