Indian police shoot and kill 18 rioters in Kasmir Koran Burning riots - Polidicks

[quote]Protester shout 'Down with America' and burn effigies of Barack Obama Christian school, government buildings and police station attacked Fears for 150,000 NATO troops stationed in Afghanistan Indian forces killed 18 people and injured scores of others in the bloodiest day of violence in the troubled area of Kashmir. Police were called in when thousands of rioters, chanting 'Down with Koran desecrators' and 'Down with America', attacked a Christian school in one town and buildings in other cities. Kashmiris defied curfews in the Indian-controlled region and took to the streets, chanting anti-India and anti-US slogans and burning effigies of US President Barack Obama. Defying curfews: Thousand of Kashmiri protesters took to the streets in response to reports of Koran burning in the U.S. Indian police fired live ammunition into the crowd, killing 18 and wounding more than 100 An angry mob set fire to several government buildings and a Protestant-run school, as well as attacking a police station. After several attempts to repel the mob failed, Indian police fired live ammunition into the crowd - and confirmed that 18 civilians had been killed. Many of the deaths were reported to have occurred in Budgam district, with others reported in the village of Tangmarg, where the school was burned. One of those killed was allegedly a student aged 12. Wounded: Kashmiri Muslims carry protester during riots in Srinagar, the summer capital of Indian Kashmir. Reports say local hospitals are overrun by wounded, some in a critical condition More than 100 people have been reported wounded, some critically. U.S. Ambassador Timothy Roemer appealed for calm and condemned Koran-burning as 'disrespectful, intolerant, divisive and unrepresentative of American values'. Kashmiri officials also removed a state-run Iranian station from local cable networks that had been fanning the anger by repeatedly broadcasting reports of Koran burnings in the U.S. Most broadcasters have given scant coverage to the still-unidentified man who was hustled away from an anti-Muslim protest in New York after he tore and burned pages from a Koran. Other such burnings, conducted in America on 9/11 or posted on the internet shortly after, have also been ignored. Anti-American protest: Crowds chanted 'Down with Koran desecrators' and 'Down with America' during the riot - and an effigy of Barack Obama - with a sign saying Obam USA - was burned in Srinegar They were inspired by Florida pastor Terry Jones, who had planned to hold a 'Burn A Koran' day on September 11. He cancelled the event after international pressure but it has not stopped rioting and deaths in Muslim countries around the world. And there have been threats of revenge attacks on American troops in Afghanistan. On a third day of riots in Afghanistan, Muslims said they would attack 'foreign bases' in their thousands in response to the desecration of their holy book. Hopes of calm were shattered on Saturday when the Koran was burned in the U.S. on the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks. Fury: Afghan protesters shout anti-U.S. slogans as they celebrate after learning that pastor Terry Jones dropped his plans to burn copies of the Koran Though Florida preacher Terry Jones had cancelled his plan to burn the Islamic holy book, a lone protester at the Ground Zero site set several pages on fire, while in Nashville, Tennessee, two religious leaders held a private Koran-burning ceremony. The unnamed male protester at Ground Zero said: 'If they can burn American flags, I can burn the Koran. Americans should never be afraid to give their opinion.' More... He was removed from the site by police but was not arrested. Footage of the New York burning has been posted on the internet and could be exploited by extremists aiming to stir anti-Western feeling. The warning of retaliation came during riots in the eastern Afghan province of Logar yesterday during which men chanted 'Death to Christians'. Anger: Thousands of people took part in demonstrations opposing the proposed Islamic community center near the Ground Zero site Rally: Brandishing U.S. flags and placards, the protesters make their feelings known in downtown Manhattan Painful: Flowers and messages written around the Ground Zero reflecting pool on the ninth anniversary of the terrorist atrocity Two protesters were shot and killed and seven wounded, one seriously, when Afghan security forces opened fire to disperse hundreds of protesters. Mohammad Yahya, a protester apparently unaware of Pastor Jones' decision to cancel the burning ceremony, said: 'The Governor [of Logar] must give us an assurance that the church is not going to burn the Koran, otherwise we will attack foreign troop bases in our thousands.' Some 150,000 NATO troops are stationed in the country, many of whom are engaged in battles with the Taliban on a daily basis. Divided: Supporters of the proposed mosque argue their case that it should go be built Grief: New York firefighters gather to remember lost colleagues on September 11 and, right, family members stare in reflection at the site where their loved ones were murdered Standing together: People react during the rally against the New York mosque In addition to the incident at Ground Zero, the Reverends Bob Old and Danny Allen in Nashville burned the Koran in private to defend the United States constitution and the American people, they said. Both denied their actions were related to the 9/11 anniversary or the row about plans to build a Mosque near Ground Zero. In Washington, a small group of conservative Christians tore up pages from the Koran to denounce the 'charade of Islam'. Elsewhere there were signs of rising anti-Western feeling as Christian worshippers in the Indonesian capital Jakarta were beaten up and stabbed by suspected Islamic hardliners. Read more: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1311785/Indian-police-kill-18-Kashmir-Koran-burning-riots.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz0ziMHWjwD[/url][/quote] Some trouble is still going down there apparently. All of this over the that one guy burning the Koran, what the hell would have happened if that pastor actually went thru with that burning..

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I love how they say "down with America" and attack churches. And then people complain how some Americans think they are at war with Islam just because they are at war with Islamic countries. [editline]07:34PM[/editline] Oh wait I misread that, Christian schools were attacked, not churches. My point still stands.

Everyone's at fault here, police just fucking shooting people, and moron rioters rioting over a stupid thing.

I can see the Qur'an burnings did a lot of good in world. /sarcasm

[QUOTE=thirty9th;24862661]I can see the Qur'an burnings did a lot of good in world. /sarcasm[/QUOTE] Don't put responsibility of the violent rioters, it was those evil evangelical pastors at fault!

America may have its religious extremists and demonstrations, but shit like this doesn't happen here.

[QUOTE=OleWally;24862683]Don't put responsibility of the violent rioters, it was those evil evangelical pastors at fault![/QUOTE] Don't give the fire fuel and it goes out on its own. You cannot deny that these riots would have been avoided (or perhaps delayed) had the Qur'an burnings not taken place. It was an antagonizing and idiotic move. [editline]d[/editline] Not insinuating that not protesting would have stopped all riots in Kashmir, either.

[QUOTE=OleWally;24862520]Sweet[/QUOTE] Any dead Muslim pleases you right? [editline]08:46PM[/editline] On topic, I am not so happy about this: [URL]http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.1.960030333[/URL] [quote]Indian police patrolled the streets of Kashmir on Tuesday, threatening to shoot anyone defying a rigid curfew[/quote] They are to shoot to kill anyone defying curfew.

The riots could have been avoided if they weren't so fucking batshit insane. They disobeyed their laws and curfews, that isn't Americas fault. I cannot believe that we continue to listen to these people. I am absolutely sick of it.

[QUOTE=starpluck;24862718]Any dead Muslim pleases you right? [editline]08:46PM[/editline] On topic, I am not so happy about this: [URL]http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.1.960030333[/URL] They are to shoot to kill anyone defying curfew.[/QUOTE] Oh, the police definitely were not in the right. I think most of us can agree with that.

[QUOTE=OleWally;24862683]Don't put responsibility of the violent rioters, it was those evil evangelical pastors at fault![/QUOTE] It was the faults of both parties, the evangelists set a spark on dry wood, and the thick fuck rioters proved their point hilariously by rioting and adding more fuel to the fire. Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls.

Now watch, as none will either give a fuck about this because its Muslims attacking Christians, or people will come in and somehow warp it so that the Muslims aren't at fault here. [QUOTE=thirty9th;24862738]Oh, the police definitely were not in the right. I think most of us can agree with that.[/QUOTE] So, the police, trying to uphold peace and order, were wrong, when they were doing their job? Ah.. ok.

[QUOTE=starpluck;24862718]Any dead Muslim pleases you right? [editline]08:46PM[/editline] On topic, I am not so happy about this: [URL]http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.1.960030333[/URL] They are to shoot to kill anyone defying curfew.[/QUOTE] It's extreme yes, but people have been stabbed and attacked for just being "X" or "X". The police need to enforce order in some way, although this may not be the best way I honestly don't know what they can do in this situation. People already tried to calm them down with words, but it hasn't worked. All being in a developing country makes it only worse.

[QUOTE=The fox;24862760]Now watch, as none will either give a fuck about this because its Muslims attacking Christians, or people will come in and somehow warp it so that the Muslims aren't at fault here. So, the police, trying to uphold peace and order, were wrong, when they were doing their job? Ah.. ok.[/QUOTE] I completely give a fuck. The rioters were definitely in the wrong for being fucking rioters. All parties in this situation were at fault. Yes, the police were in the wrong. You don't open up with live ammunition on civilians (read: massacre). Note how developed countries use tear gas, riot shields and other measures to stop large, angry crowds. Had one of the protesters been carrying, say, a rifle, he would have been the target of [i]precision[/i] fire. These police officers panicked and fucked up. Big time.

Now now, the police were doing things within the law in their country, don't judge their culture! :downs: Seriously, the whole "Down with America, violent protest is a good idea!" thing is fucking childish.

[QUOTE=thirty9th;24862817] Yes, the police were in the wrong. You don't open up with live ammunition on civilians (read: massacre). Note how developed countries use tear gas, riot shields and other measures to stop large, angry crowds. Had one of the protesters been carrying, say, a rifle, he would have been the target of [i]precision[/i] fire. These police officers panicked and fucked up. Big time.[/QUOTE] As you say, developed countries. And who knows what else these protesters did, for all we know they could have been acting threateningly towards the police force stationed, we know they attacked buildings and probably did all kinds of other threatening behavior. Put yourself in their shoes; Would you rather shoot and wound a few protesters, or potentionally kill them, or would you rather have them all gang up on you and kill you, taking your weapons and potentially using them in future riots?

It's extreme yes, but people have been stabbed and attacked for just being "X" or "X". The police need to enforce order in some way, although this may not be the best way I honestly don't know what they can do in this situation. People already tried to calm them down with words, but it hasn't worked. All being in a developing country makes it only worse. [QUOTE=thirty9th;24862817]I completely give a fuck. The rioters were definitely in the wrong for being fucking rioters. All parties in this situation were at fault. Yes, the police were in the wrong. You don't open up with live ammunition on civilians (read: massacre). Note how developed countries use tear gas, riot shields and other measures to stop large, angry crowds. Had one of the protesters been carrying, say, a rifle, he would have been the target of [i]precision[/i] fire. These police officers panicked and fucked up. Big time.[/QUOTE] We don't know if they used that. It did say they started shooting because they couldn't disperse them. We don't know whether what you mentioned was used.

[QUOTE=The fox;24862851]As you say, developed countries. And who knows what else these protesters did, for all we know they could have been acting threateningly towards the police force stationed, we know they attacked buildings and probably did all kinds of other threatening behavior. Put yourself in their shoes; Would you rather shoot and wound a few protesters, or potentionally kill them, or would you rather have them all gang up on you and kill you, taking your weapons and potentially using them in future riots?[/QUOTE] That's assuming information that isn't there. The sources presented to us say nothing about any of the protesters showing weapons. That's also using the slippery slope logical fallacy, assuming that the protesters [i]would eventually[/i] overtake the police and turn into an armed militia. Had it been very apparent that one or more of the protesters had a firearm, it would have been a different story. The information we have says nothing about that.

[QUOTE=thirty9th;24862897]That's assuming information that isn't there. The sources presented to us say nothing about any of the protesters showing weapons. That's also using the slippery slope logical fallacy, assuming that the protesters [i]would eventually[/i] overtake the police and turn into an armed militia. Had it been very apparent that one or more of the protesters had a firearm, it would have been a different story. The information we have says nothing about that.[/QUOTE] I didn't say they were armed, I said that they might have acted threateningly. If you're gonna respond to what I say, keep to what I actually say rather than making things up.

[QUOTE=The fox;24862851]As you say, developed countries. And who knows what else these protesters did, for all we know they could have been acting threateningly towards the police force stationed, we know they attacked buildings and probably did all kinds of other threatening behavior. Put yourself in their shoes; Would you rather shoot and wound a few protesters, or potentionally kill them, or would you rather have them all gang up on you and kill you, taking your weapons and potentially using them in future riots?[/QUOTE] You were to be shot dead if you violated the curfew..

And all this is over a book that gets mass produced every day yet its meant to be holy?

[QUOTE=starpluck;24862941]You were to be shot dead if you violated the curfew..[/QUOTE] So why defy it and put yourself at mortal risk? It's a bit like you shove your hand into a active blender then whine when it hurts.

Deaths over a book? :fireman:

[QUOTE=The fox;24862930]I didn't say they were armed, I said that they might have acted threateningly. If you're gonna respond to what I say, keep to what I actually say rather than making things up.[/QUOTE] Again, assuming informations that isn't there. It didn't say they acted threateningly towards the police, only the buildings that they targeted and whatever victims. Even then, moving towards the cops angrily is no excuse for them to fire at what appear to be civilians. [editline]edit[/editline] It says they targeted a police station. The officers' panic is understandable, but nothing the rioters could have done excuses the shootings. That shit doesn't fly.

[QUOTE=thirty9th;24863050]Again, assuming informations that isn't there. It didn't say they acted threateningly towards the police, only the buildings that they targeted and whatever victims. Even then, moving towards the cops angrily is no excuse for them to fire at what appear to be civilians.[/QUOTE] So they targeted buildings and possibly destroyed them or caused harm to the building, and potentional victims, and this, along side with defying curfew, which carries death as a penalty, isn't enough of a reason for police to open fire? Oh, alright, I guess they should be able to do whatever they want without any interference from police.

[QUOTE=The fox;24863088]So they targeted buildings and possibly destroyed them or caused harm to the building, and potentional victims, and this, along side with defying curfew, which carries death as a penalty, isn't enough of a reason for police to open fire? Oh, alright, I guess they should be able to do whatever they want without any interference from police.[/QUOTE] Okay, let's completely ignore tear gas, riot shields and other humane methods of quashing a riot. Go straight for the pistols and assault rifles, right?

Religion of peace. [editline]07:13PM[/editline] [QUOTE=thirty9th;24863111]Okay, let's completely ignore tear gas, riot shields and other humane methods of quashing a riot. Go straight for the pistols and assault rifles, right?[/QUOTE] Well yeah, why not?

[QUOTE=thirty9th;24863111]Okay, let's completely ignore tear gas, riot shields and other humane methods of quashing a riot. Go straight for the pistols and assault rifles, right?[/QUOTE] Like you said, in more developed countries tear gas and riot gear would be used, but not here, especially with a curfew carrying the penalty of death. Do you simply ignore the fact that it's there or what?

[QUOTE=The fox;24863147]Like you said, in more developed countries tear gas and riot gear would be used, but not here, especially with a curfew carrying the penalty of death. Do you simply ignore the fact that it's there or what?[/QUOTE] So we should set other countries to lower standards for murder because they're not western, democratic and rich? The Rwandan Genocide is happening in Africa, so they should be able to get away with it. It's cool.