Serbian PM Aleksandar Vučić stoned at Srebrenica ceremony
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[QUOTE]Serbia's PM Aleksandar Vučić has been chased away by stone-throwing protesters from a ceremony marking the 20th anniversary of the Srebrenica massacre in Bosnia-Herzegovina.
Mr Vučić was praised for attending the event. The Serbian foreign ministry has now issued a formal protest note to Bosnia.
Speaking in Belgrade after the attack, Mr Vučić urged Serbs not to show hatred to Bosnian Muslims, adding he wanted friendly ties. "My hand remains outstretched and I will continue with my policy of reconciliation," he added.
Serbia's interior minister, Nebojsa Stefanović, said: "This is a scandalous attack and I can say it can be seen as an assassination attempt."
Bosnia's main Muslim SDA party said the attackers had "embarrassed Bosnian Muslims", in a statement quoted by FENA news agency.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/11/europe/bosnia-srebrenica-massacre-commemoration/[/url]
[QUOTE]Outrage erupted at Saturday's commemoration of the 1995 Srebrenica massacre in Bosnia, as a shouting crowd threw bottles and rocks at Serbia's Prime Minister, forcing him to flee.
Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić tried to join other politicians paying respects at the Srebrenica graveyard, where more than 100 newly found remains are to be buried with 6,000 other massacre victims.
As he walked to the site, people hissed and yelled, unprepared to accept an official from a country that once directed the Bosnian Serbs militants.
As Vucic made his way into the graveyard, people tossed rocks and bottles at him. His dark-suited security staff rushed him up the graveyard's steep hill, among the victims' gravestones.
At the top, the staff ushered him into his car as objects continued to fly, and a driver hurriedly spirited him away. Vucic returned to Belgrade, where he told reporters that a stone hit him in the mouth, but that he was OK.
"I regret that some people haven't recognized my sincere intention to build friendship between Serbian and Bosniak people," he said. "... I still give my hand to the Bosniak people. I will continue with that ... and always be ready to work together to overcome problems."[/QUOTE]
Man he is so baked.
He should try admitting it was genocide first.
[QUOTE=BlackMac;48180122]He should try admitting it was genocide first.[/QUOTE]
I'll admit you're the first Bosnian that I've seen here on FP.
[QUOTE=BlackMac;48180122]He should try admitting it was genocide first.[/QUOTE]
I disagree on it being genocide. Yes, it was horrible, it's absolutely a war crime and the people behind it, like Ratko Mladic absolutely need to be punished for it. But what happened to the jews under the World War was genocide, and I think it's dishonoring the jews to compare the Srebrenica massacre and that as genocide.
[QUOTE=Persious;48180305]I disagree on it being genocide. Yes, it was horrible, it's absolutely a war crime and the people behind it, like Ratko Mladic absolutely need to be punished for it. But what happened to the jews under the World War was genocide, and I think it's dishonoring the jews to compare the Srebrenica massacre and that as genocide.[/QUOTE]
It is a mass-murder committed because of their ethnicity, religion or nationality. That is quite literally what a genocide is. Now, unlike the holocaust, it wasn't necessarily an attempt on or approaching a [I]complete[/I] genocide, that is, total wiping of the target demographic; but a genocide it certainly was.
[sp]Fun fact: The only recorded successful complete genocide in history was committed by the British[/sp]
[QUOTE=Persious;48180305]I disagree on it being genocide. Yes, it was horrible, it's absolutely a war crime and the people behind it, like Ratko Mladic absolutely need to be punished for it. But what happened to the jews under the World War was genocide, and I think it's dishonoring the jews to compare the Srebrenica massacre and that as genocide.[/QUOTE]
uhhhhh
gen·o·cide
ˈjenəˌsīd/Submit
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
is 8000 not a large enough number for you
Also also, talking of 'the jews' in WWII is kinda disrespectful to the five million others who died in German extermination camps. The death toll was roundabout a low eleven million jews, gypsies, blacks, handicapped, communists, gays and assorted others, not the commonly cited six million jews.
My merge died. This is a genocide.
I guess 20 years is just not long enough time for wounds to heal.
[QUOTE=Persious;48180305]I disagree on it being genocide.[/QUOTE]
You can disagree all you want, but you're still completely wrong for it. It was, by all definitions and standards, a genocide, there's no debate to be had on it.
[QUOTE=Turing;48180388]I guess 20 years is just not long enough time for wounds to heal.[/QUOTE]
I doubt they'll improve until Serbia admits what happened.
I'm thinking he showed up just to try and make the Bosnians look bad, with the recent news about the security council vote and all.
[editline]11th July 2015[/editline]
Do ratings work for anyone else? I'm trying to rain down some boxes..
[QUOTE=Persious;48180305]I disagree on it being genocide. Yes, it was horrible, it's absolutely a war crime and the people behind it, like Ratko Mladic absolutely need to be punished for it. But what happened to the jews under the World War was genocide, and I think it's dishonoring the jews to compare the Srebrenica massacre and that as genocide.[/QUOTE]
It was by all meanings of the definition, a genocide.
[QUOTE=Uberpro;48180424]Do ratings work for anyone else? I'm trying to rain down some boxes..[/QUOTE]
Ratings removed to motivate people to think for themselves - Now you have to manually call someone a dumbfuck, but in a way that seems like actual posting and not just flaming. It's interesting.
[QUOTE=Turing;48180388]I guess 20 years is just not long enough time for wounds to heal.[/QUOTE]
Those wounds run pretty deep, saw a guy here who got his ass kicked because he was being accosted by a couple of dudes below his window, he told them the classic "jebem ti mater/I fuck your mother" and one of them snapped, since he was from Srebrenica and apparently his parents were killed in the massacre.
I'm flying to Serbia in two days, I'm glad the pm is staying neutral.
[QUOTE=Persious;48180305]I disagree on it being genocide. Yes, it was horrible, it's absolutely a war crime and the people behind it, like Ratko Mladic absolutely need to be punished for it. But what happened to the jews under the World War was genocide, and I think it's dishonoring the jews to compare the Srebrenica massacre and that as genocide.[/QUOTE]
This is one of those extreme posts when you can't really tell if the poster is a delusional idiot, or he's being sarcastic or something.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;48180608]This is one of those extreme posts when you can't really tell if the poster is a delusional idiot, or he's being sarcastic or something.[/QUOTE]
I might be a delusional idiot.
[QUOTE=AhoyMate;48180217]I'll admit you're the first Bosnian that I've seen here on FP.[/QUOTE]
Yeah not a lot of people here are interested in games, at least not legally purchased games.
I only have like 5-6 people on steam that are Bosnian (out of 250+)
I still can't really figure out why he came to visit after busting his balls to get Russia to veto the thing.
Oh also apparently he made a statement that Serbians actually attacked him or something similar to that shit.
I only saw the headline of that on someones phone didn't read the entire thing.
Oh a side note why people are kind of edgy too.
One of the trucks transporting the remains got attacked so that pissed off a lot of people.
[QUOTE=BlackMac;48180122]He should try admitting it was genocide first.[/QUOTE]
It's more complicated like that, the entire region was suppressed by the ottoman empire under their islamic jihad, constant wars\on the defense against the ottoman conquest. Millions of Christians slaughtered, forced conversion to islam\enslaved, genocide and subjugation to what is now turkey. So there is still much anger against muslims which i guess you would attribute to the result of that "genocide" and because of that "genocide" much anger towards serbs for that.
Just look how much this area of europe was at war with Ottoman empire and how many times serbia is mentioned, this is no war of conquest but a war of defense against the muslim jihad of the ottomans in europe.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_wars_in_Europe[/url]
[QUOTE=Arrows;48180814]It's more complicated like that, the entire region was suppressed by the ottoman empire under their islamic jihad, constant wars\on the defense against the ottoman conquest. Millions of Christians slaughtered, forced conversion to islam\enslaved, genocide and subjugation to what is now turkey. So there is still much anger against muslims which i guess you would attribute to the result of that "genocide" and because of that "genocide" much anger towards serbs for that.
Just look how much this area of europe was at war with Ottoman empire and how many times serbia is mentioned, this is no war of conquest but a war of defense against the muslim jihad of the ottomans in europe.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_wars_in_Europe[/url][/QUOTE]
What you're saying happened a long time ago, Ottomans conquered Bosnia too it's not really like we willingly gave up. This still happened a long time ago (not an excuse to be forgotten) and this happened fucking 20 years ago. I see your nice quotation marks, are you perhaps from Balkans or just bought a subscription plan from Media labeled "All Muslims are terrorists" or some similar shit?
[QUOTE=BlackMac;48180122]He should try admitting it was genocide first.[/QUOTE]
Srebrenica? 8000 people isn't a genocide, don't kid yourself. Genocides have a scale to them that's into the six digits at a minimum. Branding every massacre as a genocide lessens its impact as it normalizes the word in discourse.
Entirely Bosnia's fault for allowing him to be there if they couldn't control what was going to happen. Him being there is like a holocaust denier being present at a commemoration of the holocaust, what did they expect?
[editline]12th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Nikota;48180970]Srebrenica? 8000 people isn't a genocide, don't kid yourself. Genocides have a scale to them that's into the six digits.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide[/url] Nowhere are numbers mentioned. Merely an attempt to destroy, 'in whole or in part'
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;48180971][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide[/url] Nowhere are numbers mentioned. Merely an attempt to destroy, 'in whole or in part'[/QUOTE]
That's a very liberal use of the "In Part" section of the UN definition.
[QUOTE=Nikota;48180970]Srebrenica? 8000 people isn't a genocide, don't kid yourself. Genocides have a scale to them that's into the six digits at a minimum. Branding every massacre as a genocide lessens its impact as it normalizes the word in discourse.[/QUOTE]
The intentional destruction of a group of people of a certain characteristic is a genocide.
[QUOTE=Nikota;48180985]That's a very liberal use of the "In Part" section of the UN definition.[/QUOTE]
But you don't decide the definition of genocide, so what they say goes, and whilst this is a topic of debate, this means that the Srebrenica Massacre was genocide.
We can scale the Jewish Holocaust as 750 Srebrenicas.
The Armenian Genocide as 187.5 Srebrenicas.
While it may constitute a definition, to have them be comparable is an insult.
[QUOTE=Nikota;48180970]Srebrenica? 8000 people isn't a genocide, don't kid yourself. Genocides have a scale to them that's into the six digits at a minimum. Branding every massacre as a genocide lessens its impact as it normalizes the word in discourse.[/QUOTE]
It's still 8000 people, how would you feel if someone came into town dragged every male out of town, killed them in various ways, dismembered a lot of them, buried them and then mixed up all of the remains with a bulldozer? They're still finding remains, in fact the 100+ people they buried today had a lot of their body parts missing.
This entire country has 4 mil population, if there were more people at the time there would be a lot of more casualties. It's not like they got bored and decided to stop doing it.
Disclaimer: Just because I'm involved in this thread and rambling about this does not in any way mean I actually hate Serbians. I just don't tolerate this bullshit.
[QUOTE=Nikota;48181022]We can scale the Holocaust as 750 Srebrenicas.
The Armenian Genocide as 187.5 Srebrenicas.
While it may constitute a definition, to have them be comparable is an insult.[/QUOTE]
No, it is not.
All three are events where innocent people have been mass murdered in an attempt to ethnically cleanse a region of a group living there. Your imbecilic "death quota" only devalues the lives lost in all attempts at genocide, with the arbitrary bar that somehow automatically determines if an event was genocidal or not.
You'd probably deny it was genocide if they killed tens of thousands more people, just because it wasn't millions.
Even if it is the removal of 50 people, if they do it because of ethnical/religious, and they plan(ned) on doing more, then it is genocide in every way of the word. Geneocide as a latin root literally means the death of genes. (not 100% sure on that part, but cide means death)
[QUOTE=Nikota;48180970]Srebrenica? 8000 people isn't a genocide, don't kid yourself. Genocides have a scale to them that's into the six digits at a minimum. Branding every massacre as a genocide lessens its impact as it normalizes the word in discourse.[/QUOTE]
sorry i didn't realize that the massacre of 8000 innocent human beings with hopes and dreams and complex personalities wasn't a big enough deal already
when you look at 8000 and six million, you shouldn't think "eight thousand? nahhhh bro, that ain't [I]hardcore[/I] enough to be a genocide. [I]six million[/I], however, that's metal, my man!"
you should think "8000 people oh my god that's horrible -- six [I]million[/I] people? holy [I]christ[/I] that's terrifying."
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