[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/11/us-syria-crisis-turkey-idUSBRE87A05320120811[/url]
[quote=Reuters][B]The United States and Turkey are considering imposing no-fly zones and other steps to help Syrian rebel forces as the conflict there deepens, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Saturday.[/B]
Clinton told reporters after meeting Turkish Foreign Minster Ahmet Davutoglu that Ankara and Washington needed to get into the details of operational planning on ways to assist the rebels fighting to topple President Bashar al-Assad.
"Our intelligence services, our military have very important responsibilities and roles to play so we are going to be setting up a working group to do exactly that," she said.
Asked if such discussions included options such as imposing a no-fly zone over territory that Syrian rebels claim to control, Clinton indicated that was a possible option.
"The issues you posed within your question are exactly the ones the minister and I agreed need greater in-depth analysis," Clinton answered, although she indicated no decisions were necessarily imminent.
"It is one thing to talk about all kinds of potential actions, but you cannot make reasoned decisions without doing intense analysis and operational planning," she said.
The imposition of no-fly zones by foreign powers were crucial in helping Libyan rebels overthrow Muammar Gaddafi last year. But until recently, the United States and its European allies have expressed reluctance to take on an overt military role in Syria's 17-month-old conflict.
The rebels are believed to be getting arms from Saudi Arabia and Qatar but only non-lethal assistance from the United States.
Davutoglu, responding to a similar question, said it was time for outside powers to take decisive steps to resolve the humanitarian crisis in cities such as Aleppo, which is under daily Syrian government bombardment.[/quote]
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what an excellent idea why didnt we do this sooner!
This shit is getting real?
[QUOTE=W0w00t;37183775]what an excellent idea why didnt we do this sooner![/QUOTE]
Russia and China happened.
Air superiority fuck yeah!
shit just got-... they should have done this a year ago.
I thought Russia was supplying air defence weapons to Syria, and Russian base has naval aircraft on the ships stationed there. IE Russia won't let this happen.
When Hilary Clinton talked about the United States "Having no involvement in Libya at this current time", B-2 bombers made strikes on runway hours after. Due to the flight time, They were en-route when she said the US had no involvement planned yet. If they're really planning something we won't hear about it until it's "BREAKING NEWS: AMERICAN BOMBERS STRIKE SYRIA"
The shit might get even more real in the next few days.
[QUOTE=OvB;37183957]When Hilary Clinton talked about the United States "Having no involvement in Libya at this current time", B-2 bombers made strikes on runway hours after. Due to the flight time, They were en-route when she said the US had no involvement planned yet. If they're really planning something we won't hear about it until it's "BREAKING NEWS: AMERICAN BOMBERS STRIKE SYRIA"
The shit might get even more real in the next few days.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't B2 bombers kill a load of civilians due to the nature of tightly packed urban area and how bombs usually tend to have large blast radius?
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37183971]Wouldn't B2 bombers kill a load of civilians due to the nature of tightly packed urban area and how bombs usually tend to have large blast radius?[/QUOTE]
B-2 bombers can carry JDAMs, drop one bomb on a tank about as accurately as you can get. If were going to provide air support I doubt we will be doing much building bombing in urban areas. Most likely just artillery positions, planes and tanks. Maybe Syrian outposts.
[QUOTE=OvB;37183957]When Hilary Clinton talked about the United States "Having no involvement in Libya at this current time", B-2 bombers made strikes on runway hours after. Due to the flight time, They were en-route when she said the US had no involvement planned yet. If they're really planning something we won't hear about it until it's "BREAKING NEWS: AMERICAN BOMBERS STRIKE SYRIA"
The shit might get even more real in the next few days.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about US involvement, but in Libya we knew there was going to be some sort intervention two days beforehand, when the UN resolution passed
[QUOTE=smurfy;37184009]I don't know about US involvement, but in Libya we knew there was going to be some sort intervention two days beforehand, when the UN resolution passed[/QUOTE]
We knew the French were going to start doing stuff. But I don't remember having a solid answer on US involvement until the B-2's got there. I remember that thread. It exploded with people posting the "America, Fuck Yeah!" video.
Does Syria have S-300's?
[QUOTE=OvB;37184006]B-2 bombers can carry JDAMs, drop one bomb on a tank about as accurately as you can get. If were going to provide air support I doubt we will be doing much building bombing in urban areas. Most likely just artillery positions, planes and tanks. Maybe Syrian outposts.[/QUOTE]
Although, Syria's Air capabilities are way superior to what Libya had. So any attempt at a no-fly zone would be risky. Especially with the ruskies there with a Carrier. If we put a carrier in the Med things will get real toasty real quick. And I don't know if we would compromise B-2 bombers without absolute certainty they were in no harm. I don't know what kind of military assets we have in the area. Only one that comes to mind is Al Dhafra but they're too far away to be useful. So who knows. We would probably use a Carrier, but again, with the Russians there that's going to be a political cluster fuck.
[QUOTE=OvB;37184081]Although, Syria's Air capabilities are way superior to what Libya had. So any attempt at a no-fly zone would be risky. Especially with the ruskies there with a Carrier. If we put a carrier in the Med things will get real toasty real quick. And I don't know if we would compromise B-2 bombers without absolute certainty they were in no harm. I don't know what kind of military assets we have in the area. Only one that comes to mind is Al Dhafra but they're too far away to be useful. So who knows. We would probably use a Carrier, but again, with the Russians there that's going to be a political cluster fuck.[/QUOTE]
Let's put two carriers in the Med fuck it put three.
[QUOTE=Apache249;37184123]Let's put two carriers in the Med fuck it put three.[/QUOTE]
That is way to risky.
[QUOTE=Apache249;37184123]Let's put two carriers in the Med fuck it put three.[/QUOTE]
Militarily speaking, our navy could easily outmatch the Russians Carrier. However, starting a skirmish with the Russians or worse, an actual war is not a good idea for anyone.
Could bomb their runways like we did in Libya with tomahawk missiles, then send the planes in after taking out what we can out of the air
[QUOTE=OvB;37184153]Militarily speaking, our navy could easily outmatch the Russians Carrier. However, starting a skirmish with the Russians or worse, an actual war is not a good idea for anyone.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know.
[editline]11th August 2012[/editline]
My hopes and dreams
[QUOTE=Apache249;37184171]Yeah I know.
[editline]11th August 2012[/editline]
My hopes and dreams[/QUOTE]
Nuclear war is part of your hopes and dreams?
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37184231]Nuclear war is part of your hopes and dreams?[/QUOTE]
No...
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37184231]Nuclear war is part of your hopes and dreams?[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt Moscow is going to go "Oh, hey, we're at war with the US. Let's make all those cold war predictions come true!"
Might be a good idea to found Vault-Tec just in case though.
[QUOTE=TestECull;37184324]I highly doubt Moscow is going to go "Oh, hey, we're at war with the US. Let's make all those cold war predictions come true!"
Might be a good idea to found Vault-Tec just in case though.[/QUOTE]
Tactical nuclear weapons would most likely be used.. 3 carriers in radius of one small nuclear blast is too good a target to pass up.
I guess it's time to go into another war to advance American imperial interests.
Fuck yea America.
Surely this wont help that much, from what I understand the Syrian government are using ground forces equally if not more than air power.
Unless of course they mean the "new" definition of NFZ that has been used lately.
[QUOTE=Jsm;37184479]Surely this wont help that much, from what I understand the Syrian government are using ground forces equally if not more than air power.
Unless of course they mean the "new" definition of NFZ that has been used lately.[/QUOTE]
No fly zone is a slang term for bomb the shit out of government bases and put special forces on the ground to help people in exchange for oil or political leverage.
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37184354]Tactical nuclear weapons would most likely be used.. 3 carriers in radius of one small nuclear blast is too good a target to pass up.[/QUOTE]
They wouldn't be that close.
[QUOTE=Apache249;37184797]They wouldn't be that close.[/QUOTE]
Then use 3 tactical nukes. Russia has the worlds largest stockpile.
[QUOTE=Remscar;37183780]This shit is getting real?[/QUOTE]
It's been real for going on two years now, you haven't noticed?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;37184505]No fly zone is a slang term for bomb the shit out of government bases and put special forces on the ground to help people in exchange for oil or political leverage.[/QUOTE]
Yes we get so much oil and have so much political clout in fucking Libya don't we
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