[URL="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/01/new-anti-obama-ad-slams-solyndra-fiasco/"]Source.[/URL]
[release][B](CNN)[/B] - The day after Crossroads GPS announced an impressive $32.6 million haul in 2011, it is out with a new ad hitting President Barack Obama over his administration’s investment in Solyndra, the failed green energy firm.
“He gave his political backers billions – a big government fiasco- infused with politics at every level,” a woman says over black and white images of bundled cash and men huddled in the Capital.
The ad includes the president talking up green energy, an apparently unemployed man a park bench with his head in his hands, and closes with the female narrator saying, “Laid off worker: forgotten. Typical Washington. Tell President Obama we need jobs not more inside deals.”
The group is spending $500,000 airing the 30-second spot on cable nationwide for a week, including on CNN. It's the group's second ad targeting the president for the loss of $535 million taxpayer dollars in the Solyndra investment.
The Obama administration argues its green energy program boasts far more successes to balance out failures such as Solyndra.
In a strategy memo American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS’ CEO Steven Law writes that the ad is designed to start a debate over what he calls the president’s “Solyndra economy.”
Describing the president’s green jobs program as a “politically infected spending binge” where “participants are rewarded not for what they know, but for who they know,” the memo argues Republicans should not cede the moral argument on the economy to the president.
Writes Law:
“President Obama has laid out the terms of a critical national debate: America is an unfair place, and more government is the solution. Advocates on the center-right need to engage that debate in both moral and economic terms, showing that Obama’s Washington is an unfair place, and less of Obama’s invasive, free-spending and chronically politicized government is the solution.”
While the memo casts the ad and the debate purely in terms of the economy and the green jobs program – something else is at play.
Democrats close to the White House say Obama consistently rates well with independent voters on his ethical standards. An ad like this could undermine that support by painting him as a typical Washington politician who would do anything to woo donors.
In an interview last month, Law said they will work to change voters perception of the president by tying him to Washington and its unpopular ways.
This ad certainly seems one step in that direction.
[video=youtube;b3iJ67iArqo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3iJ67iArqo[/video][/release]
It's sort of true, but the GOP is just as guilty of it as Obama, and are really calling the kettle black here.
Sometimes I wish the Republican and Democratic parties were banned. Jesus fuck the stupidity.
when Romney or Gingrich or whoever makes it into office it will be the same damn shit
i'm getting tired of this
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34496073]Sometimes I wish the Republican and Democratic parties were banned. Jesus fuck the stupidity.[/QUOTE]
If they were banned, it'd be even harder to keep them in check. Shadow parties.
I literally just saw this ad on TV less than 30 seconds ago. It really felt like blatant fear mongering... which is mostly the norm for political attack ads nowadays.
Needs to be illegal to run attack ads period. Just a waste of everyone's time.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;34496315]Needs to be illegal to run attack ads period. Just a waste of everyone's time.[/QUOTE]
it's never about being a good candidate anymore! it's about making the other guy look worse
[QUOTE=Hidole555;34496125]If they were banned, it'd be even harder to keep them in check. Shadow parties.[/QUOTE]
Wow.
By banned I mean they're gone, go to another party that you identify with and not one that your father or grandfather or whatever in the fuck supported due to stupidity.
[editline]1st February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;34496315]Needs to be illegal to run attack ads period. Just a waste of everyone's time.[/QUOTE]
Can we break out the molotovs and shotguns yet?
[QUOTE=Protocol7;34496329]it's never about being a good candidate anymore! it's about making the other guy look worse[/QUOTE]
That and who ever has the most money, which is the other thing we need to get rid of. All candidates should have an equal chance with no one being able to speak louder than anyone else.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;34496437]That and who ever has the most money, which is the other thing we need to get rid of. All candidates should have an equal chance with no one being able to speak louder than anyone else.[/QUOTE]
But that's common sense. Washington D.C. is a Common sense free zone.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34496354]Wow.
By banned I mean they're gone, go to another party that you identify with and not one that your father or grandfather or whatever in the fuck supported due to stupidity.[/QUOTE]
Corruption can never be truly wiped out, only diminished. I do agree with you that the Republicans and Democrats have to go, but our election system is rigged so that there will always be just 2 major parties. Smaller ones don't have a chance. Here's my proof.
[video=youtube;s7tWHJfhiyo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo[/video]
Uhhhhhhh...
[URL="http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/13/317594/timeline-bush-administration-solyndra-loan-guarantee/?mobile=nc"]Bush did Solyndra.[/URL]
[QUOTE]Rather than “pushing funds out the door too quickly,” the Obama Administration restructured the original loan when it came into office to further protect the taxpayers’ investment.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34496487]But that's common sense. Washington D.C. is a Common sense free zone.[/QUOTE]
Well, actually I'd say they know what they're doing and are just leaving the system broken so they can abuse the hell out of it like a bunch of selfish bastards, which is a million times worse than a lack of common sense.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34496547]Uhhhhhhh...
[URL="http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/13/317594/timeline-bush-administration-solyndra-loan-guarantee/?mobile=nc"]Bush did Solyndra.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Oh wow. Fuck mainstream media and its uninformative bullshit. If you hadn't posted that, I would have never known.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;34496597]Well, actually I'd say they know what they're doing and are just leaving the system broken so they can abuse the hell out of it like a bunch of selfish bastards, which is a million times worse than a lack of common sense.[/QUOTE]
Yet all that will happen is it gets discussed on the internet and nothing comes from it. As you say government needs restructured, but government's not going to do it, so then who will?
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34496547]Uhhhhhhh...
[URL="http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/13/317594/timeline-bush-administration-solyndra-loan-guarantee/?mobile=nc"]Bush did Solyndra.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Oh what a world.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34496547]Uhhhhhhh...
[URL="http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/13/317594/timeline-bush-administration-solyndra-loan-guarantee/?mobile=nc"]Bush did Solyndra.[/URL][/QUOTE]
"On March 20, 2009, the United States Department of Energy made a "conditional commitment" to a $535 million loan guarantee to support Solyndra's construction of a commercial-scale manufacturing plant for its proprietary solar photovoltaic panels.[10] The White House scheduled a press event for September 4 and federal reviewers gave final approval on September 2.[11] After securing the loan guarantee, the Federal Financing Bank, a part of the Department of the Treasury, loaned Solyndra the money on September 4"
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra#Government_support[/url]
Wikipedia implies it happened under the Obama Administration.
[editline]1st February 2012[/editline]
If you have a source besides ThinkProgress(the Fox News of progressivism), then that would probably be better.
Yeah, this was a total disaster. Investing in moonbases is a much better plan!
Give them an inch, Republicans will take a mile.
Oil and natural gas subsidies (why do we subsidize the most profitable companies on the face of this planet? Who knows!) FAR outweigh alternative energy subsidies which is what Solyndra received.
fuck Karl Rove and his superpac. What happened is awful , but not nearly the same as subsidizing the most profitable companies in the world - oil companies - with over 50 BILLION dollars. Waste of taxpayer money, for assholes like the koch brothers who buy politicians to perpetuate their agenda.
Karl Rove is still a genius nonetheless. As Bill Maher said (paraphrasing): "Karl Rove looked at Bush and said "I could make him president" instead of looking at him and saying "He could be president"."
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34496354]Wow.
By banned I mean they're gone, go to another party that you identify with and not one that your father or grandfather or whatever in the fuck supported due to stupidity.[/QUOTE]
Uh, it doesn't work like that. You can't just ban parties and expect people of similar beliefs to stay separate. They'll group up even if it's not official, and if you want to ban groups, well now you're the one who's stripping away rights.
[url=http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/solyndra-blame-bush-obama-officials/story?id=14513389&page=2#.Tym7EsW8shU]Source[/url]
[release]
After spending months touting the Obama administration's decision to loan $535 million to the California solar energy upstart Solyndra, top officials took a new tack Wednesday while testifying before Congress about the company's abrupt shut-down and bankruptcy: the loan, they said, was actually the Bush administration's idea. The Energy Department's top lending officer told Congress that the Solyndra loan application was not only filed during President Bush's term, but it surged towards completion before Obama took office in January 2009.
"By the time the Obama administration took office in late January 2009, the loan programs' staff had already established a goal of, and timeline for, issuing the company a conditional loan guarantee commitment in March 2009," said Jonathan Silver, who heads the Energy loan program.
Republicans pushed back hard against this version of events, unearthing internal Energy Department emails that indicate the panel evaluating the loans had made the unanimous decision to shelve Solyndra's application two weeks before Obama took office.
Blaming the failed loan on the Bush administration marked an abrupt turn for the Energy Department, which had championed the Solyndra loan as a model for its efforts to build a so-called "green energy" industry that creates jobs and safeguards the environment. The Solyndra loan was so central to this strategy that the administration initially planned to have Obama personally announce it, and later sent the president to the company's solar panel manufacturing facility in Fremont, California to celebrate its work.
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[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34496547]Uhhhhhhh...
[URL="http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/13/317594/timeline-bush-administration-solyndra-loan-guarantee/?mobile=nc"]Bush did Solyndra.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Yet the crazy Fox News radio station my mom listens to makes fun of Obama about literally [I]every[/I] week. They have been doing this for like 4 month.
The real disaster behind Solyndra though is the black mark it's left on the use of solar energy in the US in the eyes of the average person.
I know a guy who has his house running on solar panels, has a diesel generator as a backup when the batteries start to run low and the panels can't keep up due to weather or what have you. It keeps a record of when and how long the generator runs and last year he said it ran for 3 days worth out of the entire year. That's pretty damn amazing if you ask me. Especially since he pays no power bills at all, pretty much all he does pay for is food, fuel and taxes.
Imagine if every home was like his, you wouldn't pay a power bill ever again and except for the occasional time when the backup generator needs to run you'd be running clean.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34498842]If you have a source besides ThinkProgress(the Fox News of progressivism), then that would probably be better.[/QUOTE]
You could have googled it, [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/solyndra-blame-bush-obama-officials/story?id=14513389"]but I can provide.
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[QUOTE=Prez;34500488][url=http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/solyndra-blame-bush-obama-officials/story?id=14513389&page=2#.Tym7EsW8shU]Source[/url]
[release]
After spending months touting the Obama administration's decision to loan $535 million to the California solar energy upstart Solyndra, top officials took a new tack Wednesday while testifying before Congress about the company's abrupt shut-down and bankruptcy: the loan, they said, was actually the Bush administration's idea. The Energy Department's top lending officer told Congress that the Solyndra loan application was not only filed during President Bush's term, but it surged towards completion before Obama took office in January 2009.
"By the time the Obama administration took office in late January 2009, the loan programs' staff had already established a goal of, and timeline for, issuing the company a conditional loan guarantee commitment in March 2009," said Jonathan Silver, who heads the Energy loan program.
Republicans pushed back hard against this version of events, unearthing internal Energy Department emails that indicate the panel evaluating the loans had made the unanimous decision to shelve Solyndra's application two weeks before Obama took office.
Blaming the failed loan on the Bush administration marked an abrupt turn for the Energy Department, which had championed the Solyndra loan as a model for its efforts to build a so-called "green energy" industry that creates jobs and safeguards the environment. The Solyndra loan was so central to this strategy that the administration initially planned to have Obama personally announce it, and later sent the president to the company's solar panel manufacturing facility in Fremont, California to celebrate its work.
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Ah, shit, I didn't notice that was this. Dammit.
So it's neither Bush nor Obama as far as that account goes. It was done by the Energy Department under both presidents.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34506742]So it's neither Bush nor Obama as far as that account goes. It was done by the Energy Department under both presidents.[/QUOTE]
But one of them overruled the Energy Dept and said no...
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34498842]"On March 20, 2009, the United States Department of Energy made a "conditional commitment" to a $535 million loan guarantee to support Solyndra's construction of a commercial-scale manufacturing plant for its proprietary solar photovoltaic panels.[10] The White House scheduled a press event for September 4 and federal reviewers gave final approval on September 2.[11] After securing the loan guarantee, the Federal Financing Bank, a part of the Department of the Treasury, loaned Solyndra the money on September 4"
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra#Government_support[/url]
Wikipedia implies it happened under the Obama Administration.
[editline]1st February 2012[/editline]
If you have a source besides ThinkProgress(the Fox News of progressivism), then that would probably be better.[/QUOTE]
Cannot use Wikipedia as a credible source.
[QUOTE=areolop;34506925]Cannot use Wikipedia as a credible source.[/QUOTE]
Yea you can.
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