• Former Hungarian secret agent reveals in detail how serious the Russian threat is
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[QUOTE]Secret agents, counter-intelligence officers do not give interviews to the media very often and it is even more unique when they do so under their real name and with their own face. Ferenc Katrein worked for the Hungarian civilian counter-intelligence agency for 13 years, including a stint as an executive head of operations, and dealt with sensitive cases such as the Roma murders of 2008-2009 or defence against Russian secret services. However, in 2013 he felt he can no longer identify with the leadership and resigned, he has lived abroad ever since. In his exclusive interview with Index.hu he talks in detail about the efforts of Russian secret services and how it feels like when allied NATO agencies ask someone if his boss really worked for Moscow. [B]Do you have knowledge of individuals specialised in countering Russian secret service activities being sidelined within the service? [/B] Rotating experts working in these fields is especially harmful. Sadly, several internationally recognised experts were redirected to other areas referring to constant reorganisations and so-called optimisation. [B]Did you feel that the political attitude towards Russia changed and that the services were obstructed on the political level? [/B] Yes. We were not allowed to perform active operations that were necessitated by professional considerations and international cooperation was less intense than in previous years. But I must emphasise that I was an insider until 2013, there is a new leadership now who I cannot talk about. The current director general cannot possibly have ties to Russia due to his age. [B]On a scale of one to ten, how serious do you think the Russian threat currently is in Europe? [/B] Nine or ten, the highest level. I followed the events in Cologne closely, where it could be seen how beautifully the whole thing was built up. [U][I][B]A secret service offensive is being waged against the European Union[/B][/I][/U] and influence operations in which the Russians have serious professional experience and traditions are part of this. Russia plays a part in aggravating the migration crisis and especially in using it for propaganda and gaining influence. When it comes to the events in Cologne or other sexual offences they are active in emphasising that the German or Western authorities and the media are attempting to cover up these crimes. [B]Now that you mentioned street riots: did the services forecast the violent events in 2006? Or at least that the far-right has such a high potential for mobilisation and violence?[/B] I was working in international counter-terrorism at the time, so I didn’t have great insight to what happened. However, what I did see in 2006 was how our leaders panicked, which leaders stepped up to the task, and which leaders decided to check in to the hospital. That’s when I realized that our service is asleep at the wheel, and that our ability to respond to such incidents needed serious work — and that’s something we were able to correct more or less and become more proactive on. Until that point, this aspect of service was very dull, and our instinctive reflex for self-defense wasn’t working well. [/QUOTE] I would fully reccomend reading the entire article because it is a very, very interesting read. [url]http://index.hu/belfold/2017/03/21/hungarian_secret_agent_reveals_how_serious_the_russian_threat_is[/url]
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51991706]Really makes you think ~~~~~ Why are we enemies with Russia? Russia is our friend. Lmao[/QUOTE] I don't know, maybe because they occupied a part of Ukraine and continuously puts effort to destabilize the whole region? I fail to see a reason why anyone should be "friends" with them right now.
Russia may be a friendly nation on the surface, but has obviously been taking steps across Europe and even the USA to destabilize democracy and appoint fascist governments friendly to their interests.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51991746]Russia may be a friendly nation on the surface[/QUOTE] lmao its about as far as you can get from friendly imo
Trying to destabilize a country with boots on the ground is counter intuitive to modern combat, destabilising a region with disinformation makes them weaker and divided, cause infighting and let them tear themselves apart from the inside. Russia is a monumental threat to the west more than migration or 'dem darn muslims'. This isn't "The Red Scare" anymore, they're a genuine threat and trying to destabilise regions.
I've posted it before, I'll post it again. If you want a more in-depth read into how Russia actively works to promote its interests in detriment to other countries, read the Kremin Playbook. [url]https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/1601017_Conley_KremlinPlaybook_Web.pdf[/url]
The real question is, why?
[QUOTE=Saturn V;51991752]lmao its about as far as you can get from friendly imo[/QUOTE] wouldnt that just be out and out active warfare
[QUOTE=Stopper;51991934]I've posted it before, I'll post it again. If you want a more in-depth read into how Russia actively works to promote its interests in detriment to other countries, read the Kremin Playbook. [url]https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/1601017_Conley_KremlinPlaybook_Web.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] Hey dude,i can't read your pdf file.The link won't open.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Kickass;51992069]Hey dude,i can't read your pdf file.The link won't open.[/QUOTE] Works in Firefox.
[QUOTE=Jame's;51992034]The real question is, why?[/QUOTE] From their perspective, why not? You're a world power, one of the two biggest at one time, but with a decayed sphere of influence. You've lost a great deal of power and are basically a joke. But now your opponents in the game are dealing with economic and social turmoil, generations are swapping, so you've got an opportunity to apply pressure and try to work things in your favor to regain standing. Think about it, people don't joke about how pathetic Russia is any more. It's not jokes about their leader, it's jokes about our own leader being a puppet to them.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;51991760]Russia is a monumental threat to the west more than migration or 'dem darn muslims'. [B]This isn't "The Red Scare" anymore, they're a genuine threat and trying to destabilise regions.[/B][/QUOTE] It's the Red scare x100. The western establishment has been experiencing a deserved crisis of legitimacy since the Iraq war and further compounded by the following financial crisis. Instead of changing course and accepting responsibility for their failure (and the inevitable loss of authority that should go with it)our elites have made a deliberate, conscious, decision to make things worse. Much like Hitler and Napoleon they have decided to pick a fight with the world's gentle-giant, which must remain sadly puzzled why people to it's west blame it for every time they loose their own collective minds. They have also decided to inflame internal divisions: instead of talking about universal basic income, slashing military budgets, higher minimum rage, alternatives to free market trade policies we are talking about a buffet of minor social issues. The democratic party seriously rejected a candidate who actually wanted to do something about growing inequality because he didn't have a way to "end racism". [QUOTE=Jame's;51992034]The real question is, why?[/QUOTE] Something to do with the west doing everything in it's power to show that the wrong side won the Cold War, and beginning the 21'st century and 3rd millennium by massively destabilizing the world. And to date western leaders have been shown to have learned nothing.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51991706]Why are we enemies with Russia? Russia is our friend. Lmao[/QUOTE] Because you're cherry-picking like fuck. How about the part where he said the Russian GRU was training alongside a Hungarian neo-Nazi paramilitary organization? Or how it is the GRU's responsibility to take advantage of civil unrest or support pro-Russia groups in the event of a civil war? Oh that sounds real fucking friendly, huh.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51992216]Because you're cherry-picking like fuck. How about the part where he said the Russian GRU was training alongside a Hungarian neo-Nazi paramilitary organization? Or how it is the GRU's responsibility to take advantage of civil unrest or support pro-Russia groups in the event of a civil war? Oh that sounds real fucking friendly, huh.[/QUOTE] He's being sarcastic.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51992216]Because you're cherry-picking like fuck. How about the part where he said the Russian GRU was training alongside a Hungarian neo-Nazi paramilitary organization? Or how it is the GRU's responsibility to take advantage of civil unrest or support pro-Russia groups in the event of a civil war? Oh that sounds real fucking friendly, huh.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure the ~~~~ line was an indicator of sarcasm or mockery. Damn, ninjad
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51992165]It's the Red scare x100. The western establishment has been experiencing a deserved crisis of legitimacy since the Iraq war and further compounded by the following financial crisis. Instead of changing course and accepting responsibility for their failure (and the inevitable loss of authority that should go with it)our elites have made a deliberate, conscious, decision to make things worse. Much like Hitler and Napoleon they have decided to pick a fight with the world's gentle-giant, which must remain sadly puzzled why people to it's west blame it for every time they loose their own collective minds. They have also decided to inflame internal divisions: instead of talking about universal basic income, slashing military budgets, higher minimum rage, alternatives to free market trade policies we are talking about a buffet of minor social issues. The democratic party seriously rejected a candidate who actually wanted to do something about growing inequality because he didn't have a way to "end racism". Something to do with the west doing everything in it's power to show that the wrong side won the Cold War, and beginning the 21'st century and 3rd millennium by massively destabilizing the world. And to date western leaders have been shown to have learned nothing.[/QUOTE] It's not "the Red Scare x100" when Russia is actively destabilising and invading neighbouring countries.
[QUOTE=David29;51992235]It's not "the Red Scare x100" when Russia is actively destabilising and invading neighbouring countries.[/QUOTE] But [B]why[/B] are they doing these things? Good there be... *gasp*... a [B]good reason[/B] for doing these things? Could it be that our western governments are [B]worse[/B] than Russia and have destabilized the world to a far greater extent, to the point they might actually [B]deserve[/B] a little destabilization themselves?
[QUOTE=1legmidget;51992225]Pretty sure the ~~~~ line was an indicator of sarcasm or mockery. Damn, ninjad[/QUOTE] I have not seen tilde used that way before. Nevertheless, my point still stands for the others in this thread defending Russia.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51992250]But [B]why[/B] are they doing these things? Good there be... *gasp*... a [B]good reason[/B] for doing these things? Could it be that our western governments are [B]worse[/B] than Russia and have destabilized the world to a far greater extent, to the point they might actually [B]deserve[/B] a little destabilization themselves?[/QUOTE] What, no. You're talking bollocks. Russia has no right to invade Georgia and the Crimea just because Western governments are a bit shit.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51992165]It's the Red scare x100. The western establishment has been experiencing a deserved crisis of legitimacy since the Iraq war and further compounded by the following financial crisis. Instead of changing course and accepting responsibility for their failure (and the inevitable loss of authority that should go with it)our elites have made a deliberate, conscious, decision to make things worse. Much like Hitler and Napoleon they have decided to pick a fight with the world's gentle-giant, which must remain sadly puzzled why people to it's west blame it for every time they loose their own collective minds.[/quote] This reads like propaganda and lacks any significant substance, so I'll just leave it to stand on its own. [QUOTE=Whoaly;51992165]They have also decided to inflame internal divisions: instead of talking about universal basic income, slashing military budgets, higher minimum rage, alternatives to free market trade policies we are talking about a buffet of minor social issues. The democratic party seriously rejected a candidate who actually wanted to do something about growing inequality because he didn't have a way to "end racism".[/quote] Too bad the republican agenda does not only involve ignoring these issues, but actively fighting any attempts to fix them. Republican congressmen would rather jump from a building than EVER implement UBI. Trump supporters on this forum are some of the most ardent opponents of increases to minimum wage. Trump has already unveiled plans to increase the military budget. This is misdirection. "R-remember what the Democrats did to Bernie! You could've had all of this! Forget the fact that the republicans are not only indifferent to Bernie's politics, but actively [I]shitting on them[/I]. Forget the fact that Bernie himself would rather have had you vote Clinton. It's the democrats fault that they didn't do well enough and the republicans are taking a massive diarrhea dump on the government!" [QUOTE=Whoaly;51992165]Something to do with the west doing everything in it's power to show that the wrong side won the Cold War, and beginning the 21'st century and 3rd millennium by massively destabilizing the world. And to date western leaders have been shown to have learned nothing.[/QUOTE] I don't even know what to say to this really. Do you know what it was like within the soviet union prior to its fall? Strict government media control and censorship, poor economic conditions, and a political system which was incredibly exclusive to the point that the average man or woman had no control over the political course of the country.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51992260]I have not seen tilde used that way before. Nevertheless, my point still stands for the others in this thread defending Russia.[/QUOTE] It's the first time I saw something like that too, and you weren't the only one in the thread that was confused. [QUOTE=Whoaly;51992250]But [B]why[/B] are they doing these things? Good there be... *gasp*... a [B]good reason[/B] for doing these things? Could it be that our western governments are [B]worse[/B] than Russia and have destabilized the world to a far greater extent, to the point they might actually [B]deserve[/B] a little destabilization themselves?[/QUOTE] Man you are a riot. First you suggest that countries should [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1557391&p=51990959&viewfull=1#post51990959"]just let Russia annex whatever the fuck they want[/URL], and now you're saying that people [I]deserve[/I] to have their countries destabilized with Russian-backed violent extremists?
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51992250]But [B]why[/B] are they doing these things? Good there be... *gasp*... a [B]good reason[/B] for doing these things? Could it be that our western governments are [B]worse[/B] than Russia and have destabilized the world to a far greater extent, to the point they might actually [B]deserve[/B] a little destabilization themselves?[/QUOTE] Believe it or not, no, I don't want my country destabilized. I don't think I 'deserve' to live in a country that's being politically destabilized by another country. Is this some kind of right-wing equivalent of the bullshit that some super left-wing people used to throw out? "Oh, the US DESERVES terrorism, considering all the shit they did..." Fucking hell.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51992250]But [B]why[/B] are they doing these things? Good there be... *gasp*... a [B]good reason[/B] for doing these things? Could it be that our western governments are [B]worse[/B] than Russia and have destabilized the world to a far greater extent, to the point they might actually [B]deserve[/B] a little destabilization themselves?[/QUOTE] You've seriously begun reaching so far into madness to justify your support of Trump that you've begun arguing that it is somehow a [B]good[/B] thing for hostile foreign governments to destabilize and undermine our national security and domestic well being. Have you completely lost your fucking mind?
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51992250]But [B]why[/B] are they doing these things? Good there be... *gasp*... a [B]good reason[/B] for doing these things? Could it be that our western governments are [B]worse[/B] than Russia and have destabilized the world to a far greater extent, to the point they might actually [B]deserve[/B] a little destabilization themselves?[/QUOTE] Imagine being this brainwashed. I really hope somebody can snap you out of your delusional fantasy.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51992250]But [B]why[/B] are they doing these things? Good there be... *gasp*... a [B]good reason[/B] for doing these things? Could it be that our western governments are [B]worse[/B] than Russia and have destabilized the world to a far greater extent, to the point they might actually [B]deserve[/B] a little destabilization themselves?[/QUOTE] It's like you see the actual world as those anthropomorphic polandball comics, No one country deserves anything. They're a collection of people not a collective hive mind. Do yourself a favor and go outside before it's too late, if you stay shut in any longer the sun might burn out your eyeballs when you finally climb out the basement.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51992330]You've seriously begun reaching so far into madness to justify your support of Trump that you've begun arguing that it is somehow a [B]good[/B] thing for hostile foreign governments to destabilize and undermine our national security and domestic well being. Have you completely lost your fucking mind?[/QUOTE] Maybe they are shilling for FSB? After reading this, it seems like the future of warfare and intelligence operations is literally becoming memes and shitposting on the internet :v:
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51992330]You've seriously begun reaching so far into madness to justify your support of Trump that you've begun arguing that it is somehow a [B]good[/B] thing for hostile foreign governments to destabilize and undermine our national security and domestic well being. Have you completely lost your fucking mind?[/QUOTE] Nah, this is pretty typical for Whoaly. Did you actually expect better from him or have you just not seen his posts before?
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51992250]But [B]why[/B] are they doing these things? Good there be... *gasp*... a [B]good reason[/B] for doing these things? Could it be that our western governments are [B]worse[/B] than Russia and have destabilized the world to a far greater extent, to the point they might actually [B]deserve[/B] a little destabilization themselves?[/QUOTE] I'm not entirely convinced myself about the whole Russia being behind every single thing going on but fuck your post is dumb
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51992250]But [B]why[/B] are they doing these things? Good there be... *gasp*... a [B]good reason[/B] for doing these things? Could it be that our western governments are [B]worse[/B] than Russia and have destabilized the world to a far greater extent, to the point they might actually [B]deserve[/B] a little destabilization themselves?[/QUOTE] How is Russia's government good? How is Putin good?
really hoping i don't get pulled into ww3 sometime in my life this news isn't exactly keeping my hopes up
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