Ukraine crisis pushing China and Russia together militarily
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[QUOTE]US-led economic sanctions against technology exports to Russia might have the unintended consequence of pushing Russian and Chinese technological industries into close cooperation, Russia-based security expert Vasily Kashin writes for The Moscow Times.
Kashin, an analyst at the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies in Moscow, notes that any partnership between China and Russia would be mutually beneficial for both countries given long-standing US limits on arms sales to China, and more recent American measures stemming trade with Russia.
Per The Moscow Times:
China's production of military technology very favorably complements Russia's. While Russia exports upward of $2 billion in military equipment to China annually, Beijing is strong in a number of specific areas where Moscow is particularly weak. For example, despite making some progress, Russia has yet to achieve serial production of its own strike drones and remains heavily reliant on European and Israeli partners for that equipment.
Kashin notes that China has developed full-scale mass production of two reconnaissance drones — which means China is starting to master defense technologies that are a relative Russian weakness. China has military and technical cooperation experience with other geopolitically difficult countries as well: In the past, China has developed military relationships with Pakistan and Iran.
Kashin writes that China and Russia are already in the early stages of developing civilian industrial cooperation with a clear potential defense aspect to it. The countries are close to reaching a deal on the procurement of electronic components of satellites, he notes.
According to Missile Threat, a website operated by the George C. Marshall and Claremont Institutes, it would make sense for Russia to reach out to China for help with an early warning missile system. China has the technological capability to build a satellite system necessary for Russia's early-warning systems, while Russia could provide China with the technology necessary to protect itself against medium-range ballistic missiles.
Since the start of the Ukraine crisis, Russia and China have also moved closer together in the energy sector. In May, the two countries signed a gas pipeline megadeal that would provide China with natural gas for 30 years.
This string of successes for Chinese foreign policy with Russia underscores how Russia has shifted eastwards after confrontation with the West over Ukraine.
Ultimately, the crisis in Ukraine might benefit China more than any other country.
"[China is] the big winner from the Ukraine crisis — everybody wants to work with them," Eurasia Group president Ian Bremmer told Business Insider in an email. "I’d say not only are they ignoring U./EU sanctions, they’re actually taking advantage of them."
However, the ongoing crisis in Syria is leading to a thawing of relations between Russia and the US.
A recent meeting between Secretary of State John Kerry and his Russian counterpart has led to speculation that Russia and the US may be nearing yet another "reset" of relations. This could hypothetically lead to a reduction in sanctions and a return of Russia doing business with Europe instead of China.
Read more: [url]http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-and-china-are-building-ties-against-the-west-2014-10#ixzz3GY53tZii[/url][/QUOTE]
Translation: China's gonna sell [b]more[/b] stuff to Russia, who's gonna owe them more money.
[QUOTE]However, the ongoing crisis in Syria is leading to a thawing of relations between Russia and the US.
A recent meeting between Secretary of State John Kerry and his Russian counterpart has led to speculation that Russia and the US may be nearing yet another "reset" of relations. This could hypothetically lead to a reduction in sanctions and a return of Russia doing business with Europe instead of China.
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Right, right. So the United States and European Union will just forget about the annexation of Crimea and the war in Eastern Ukraine?
[QUOTE=Cheshire_cat;46273801]Right, right. So the United States and European Union will just forget about the annexation of Crimea and the War in the Donbass?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, [B]as long as it suits their interests.[/B] Does the U.S. want an empowered Sino-Russian alliance?
[QUOTE=laserguided;46273815]Yeah, [B]as long as it suits their interests.[/B] Does the U.S. want an empowered Sino-Russian alliance?[/QUOTE]
Well, neither the US or the EU has the balls to do more than send angry letters to Russia, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
Hopefully, we'll stand up to China if they get too close to Russia. I don't think it'll happen under Obama's watch, though.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;46273514]Translation: China's gonna sell [b]more[/b] stuff to Russia, who's gonna owe them more money.[/QUOTE]
I sense like by the end of the century everyone is gonna own China more money then their budgets have.
Even US has a huge debt to China.
[QUOTE=Cheshire_cat;46273852]Well, neither the US or the EU has the balls to do more than send angry letters to Russia, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
Hopefully, we'll stand up to China if they get too close to Russia. I don't think it'll happen under Obama's watch, though.[/QUOTE]
India's getting pretty close to Russia, should America "stand up" to India too? Should the US develop a confrontational relationship with all developing countries who are just trying to do business with each other without worrying about what the others do in their own backyards?
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46275842]I sense like by the end of the century everyone is gonna own China more money then their budgets have.
Even US has a huge debt to China.[/QUOTE]
China is just as bad though, they are 5 trillion in debt.
Ak47s for everyone
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[QUOTE=codemaster85;46276818]China is just as bad though, they are 5 trillion in debt.[/QUOTE]
Is there a country that isn't in debt?
[QUOTE=Complifused;46277019]Ak47s for everyone
[editline]19th October 2014[/editline]
Is there a country that isn't in debt?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;46275948]India's getting pretty close to Russia, should America "stand up" to India too? Should the US develop a confrontational relationship with all developing countries who are just trying to do business with each other without worrying about what the others do in their own backyards?[/QUOTE]
India's always been pretty close to Russia, and the US has always been trying to shut us down. US actions during the Bangladeshi war by Nixon and Kissinger (who called our prime minister at the time "that bitch"), positioning warships and threatening to shell us was only counter acted by the Russians positioning themselves and essentially making the Americans back off. During the Kargil war, the US refused to provide India with satellite data of the battlefield, while obliging Pakistan with the same data. This was a move that was to spur India to develop their own GPS satellite system, to be independent from fickle US policy shifts.
Add to this the fact that the US is well known for denying parts sales or maintainence for any ordinance or military equipment is sells during times of crisis (unless the country is already allied with the US or her interests at the time), then it's not surprising why the Indians would be wary of American support by this time.
As far as India is concerned, they've already had a long history of antagonistic relations with India, starting from the time when as a newly independent country they wouldn't accept Indian rupees as payment, only dollars (which we couldn't afford). Russia was the only country that was okay with Indian rupees as payment, and has used their veto at the UNSC in India's interests for a long time.
While this relationship has soured in recent years, owing to the Indian army unwisely buying old Russian stock, joint research tema shave proved beneficial for both parties.
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Economic development between China and Russia is not a bad thing. Russia really needs an influx of cheap goods, as its people are poorer on average. Something like that could help it pick up and become a proper, developed nation.
It also hints, however, that Russia and China might be getting empowered, which wouldn't be bad if Russia wasn't fucking invading everybody. I feel like we need to have somebody around to stand up to the US since any one group having diplomatic hegemony over the planet is bad, even if it is us, but I wish that group would at least be as civil.
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