• UK EU referendum: 'Yes' will mean stay in, 'No' will mean leave
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32894220[/url] [quote]Voters in the UK's EU referendum will be asked to choose Yes if they want to remain in the union or No to leave, the BBC understands. Prime Minister David Cameron has said the in/out referendum will take place by 2017. ... the question expected to be along the lines of: "Should the UK remain a member of the EU?"[/quote] I was wondering which way round it would be
I want to stay, please don't make us leave.
Nuke Strasbourg.
Please take note : leaving the EU doesn't mean you're going to be isolated from the rest of the world all of a sudden. Treaties and trade are still there and the fact the UK kept the pound would make the leaving process easier than say, France.
The EU will try to scare the UK like the UK did to Scotland.
Good, I just hope that promise will be kept. Though, knowing how politicians love to slither out of shit that doesn't fit them, I wouldn't be surprised if "No" will mean "Yes".
make the answers be 'i want to leave' or 'i don't want to leave' and be done with it for fuck's sake
They shouldn't leave. It would set a precedent for other wavering EU members, and the reason the EU works is because it's everyone working together. No point in having an EU if say it is eventually reduced down to like just France and Germany.
[url=http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/27/british-exit-brexit-eu-would-cost-uk-billions-german-study] Bertelsmann Stiftung and ifo Institute study says Brexit could knock 14% off GDP, costing UK economy up to £215bn [/url]
[QUOTE=The fox;47811893]Good, I just hope that promise will be kept. Though, knowing how politicians love to slither out of shit that doesn't fit them, I wouldn't be surprised if "No" will mean "Yes".[/QUOTE] Cameron doesn't want to leave, he just wants everyone to vote to stay in and be done with the question for 50 years. Which I understand because everybody is getting tired of the UK's "we want in but without the drawbacks everyone suffers to make the system workable in the first place" rhetoric. Like, I've gotten beyond caring. Just pissoff with your human right abuses and banking overlords. The sensible Brits can move to the continent (because they're in the EU.)
[QUOTE=Antdawg;47811958]They shouldn't leave. It would set a precedent for other wavering EU members, and the reason the EU works is because it's everyone working together. No point in having an EU if say it is eventually reduced down to like just France and Germany.[/QUOTE] I imagine the people who want to leave don't support the EU existing in the first place. Can't see why you would. The whole thing undermines national government and democracy itself.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47811998]I imagine the people who want to leave don't support the EU existing in the first place. Can't see why you would. The whole thing undermines national government and democracy itself.[/QUOTE] source
[QUOTE=Antdawg;47811958]They shouldn't leave. It would set a precedent for other wavering EU members, and the reason the EU works is because it's everyone working together. No point in having an EU if say it is eventually reduced down to like just France and Germany.[/QUOTE] There's no point in having an EU if a country can be more prosperous outside of it.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;47811958]They shouldn't leave. It would set a precedent for other wavering EU members, and the reason the EU works is because it's everyone working together. No point in having an EU if say it is eventually reduced down to like just France and Germany.[/QUOTE] It isn't working that great so far though. The EU has taken way too much power over the nations and their sovereignty. Nowadays you're either against the UE or a federalist. There's not much room left in public debates for the middle grounds. Imo we should keep the EU and withdraw from Schengen and the €.
So the UK spends the last 20 years to become THE financial hub of the EU, a good part of the UK economy is based on this and now it wants to leave?
[QUOTE=thisispain;47811979][url=http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/27/british-exit-brexit-eu-would-cost-uk-billions-german-study] Bertelsmann Stiftung and ifo Institute study says Brexit could knock 14% off GDP, costing UK economy up to £215bn [/url][/QUOTE] You mean, The Guardian, this incredibly left-wing scaremongering paper, would say this? I for one, am shocked.
[QUOTE=Jame's;47812035]There's no point in having an EU if a country can be more prosperous outside of it.[/QUOTE] but that's not the case here
[QUOTE=Jame's;47812035]There's no point in having an EU if a country can be more prosperous outside of it.[/QUOTE] Besides, the EU as an institution would disappear, the EU as a concept wouldn't as it dates back to the 17th century.
[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47812057]You mean, The Guardian, this incredibly left-wing scaremongering paper, would say this? I for one, am shocked.[/QUOTE] tackle the argument instead of the medium maybe?
[QUOTE=Killuah;47812065]tackle the argument instead of the medium maybe?[/QUOTE] Not when the medium is likely to warp the argument to fit their own bias. It's a study based on 'ifs' and 'buts' and the [B]WORST CASE[/B] scenario is that it costs us about 300 bil. Basically, surprise surprise, The Guardian scaremongering.
[QUOTE=Killuah;47812060]but that's not the case here[/QUOTE] In my opinion democracy and sovereignty override any economic factors.
[QUOTE=Jame's;47812114]In my opinion democracy and sovereignty override any economic factors.[/QUOTE] then why make the statement in the first place?
As someone who vaguely plans to move to the UK in the next few years, I really hope they don't mess this up. [editline]27th May 2015[/editline] Actually, what's going to happen to EU citizens living in the UK if the country leaves the EU? Will they be granted full citizenship?
[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47812057]You mean, The Guardian, this incredibly left-wing scaremongering paper, would say this? I for one, am shocked.[/QUOTE] Oh does it say "Guardian study says Brexit could knock 14% off GDP, costing UK economy up to £215bn?" I don't think it does. Not to mention I'm not quite sure how left-wing relates to the EU. A socialist wouldn't want the EU to exist, would they.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47812121]As someone who vaguely plans to move to the UK in the next few years, I really hope they don't mess this up. [editline]27th May 2015[/editline] Actually, what's going to happen to EU citizens living in the UK if the country leaves the EU? Will they be granted full citizenship?[/QUOTE] I would imagine so.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47812121]As someone who vaguely plans to move to the UK in the next few years, I really hope they don't mess this up. [editline]27th May 2015[/editline] Actually, what's going to happen to EU citizens living in the UK if the country leaves the EU? Will they be granted full citizenship?[/QUOTE] I think they said anyone that is legally working will be fine. Could be a problem with relatives etc though
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47812121]As someone who vaguely plans to move to the UK in the next few years, I really hope they don't mess this up. [editline]27th May 2015[/editline] Actually, what's going to happen to EU citizens living in the UK if the country leaves the EU? Will they be granted full citizenship?[/QUOTE] If the UK was to quit the EU, it wouldn't take effect immediatly. It would probably come into force 12 to 24 months later, giving the administration the time to deal with every EU citizens individually.
[QUOTE=thisispain;47812134]Oh does it say "Guardian study says Brexit could knock 14% off GDP, costing UK economy up to £215bn?" I don't think it does. Not to mention I'm not quite sure how left-wing relates to the EU. A socialist wouldn't want the EU to exist, would they.[/QUOTE] No, if you'd actually LOOKED at the study, they have chosen to report on the worst case scenario, so I think you go and need to have a little read. And also, I don't even know what point you're making in your second sentence. Left-wingers typically want to stay in, and The Guardian is left wing, so of course that'll affect the outcome.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47811998]I imagine the people who want to leave don't support the EU existing in the first place. Can't see why you would. The whole thing undermines national government and democracy itself.[/QUOTE] Saying the EU undermines democracy is like saying the federal Australian government undermines democracy, the federal US government undermines democracy or the confederated Canadian government undermines democracy. I can't say for sure on the benefits of the EU to Europeans, but plenty of good things have come out of the EU and in many areas Australia tries to replicate the EU. One of the most obvious is harmonising our emissions laws with the EU laws, but there are other things like sharing the same accounting standards.
[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47812078]Not when the medium is likely to warp the argument to fit their own bias. It's a study based on 'ifs' and 'buts' and the [B]WORST CASE[/B] scenario is that it costs us about 300 bil. Basically, surprise surprise, The Guardian scaremongering.[/QUOTE] if it was warped it would be even easier to tackle it but ok. of course a study would include worst case, and I'm sure there are best case studies too. your "biased source" even cknowledges that there is many different views on the matter in that very article. [quote]Calculating the economic effects of an EU exit is associated with many uncertainties and must take into account potential transitional periods. Three scenarios were developed to estimate the range of possible effects. In the most favorable case, the UK receives a status similar to Switzerland and still has a trade agreement with the EU. In the least favorable scenario, the country would lose all trade privileges arising from EU membership and its free trade agreements. In the year 2030 – 12 years after a possible BREXIT – we can assume that the negative effects will have shown their full impact. [/quote] 3 clicks but you went all "source is biased will not argue" which frankly looks like there is no argument behind the usual barroom cliché
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