75% of underage refugees in Denmark are actually adults according to Danish immigration service - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Three-quarters of age-tested asylum seekers who told Danish authorities they were children have been found to be older than 18, the the country's immigration service has said.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/denmark-child-asylum-seekers-adult-age-test-migrants-refugee-crisis-a7464081.html[/url]

75% is a ridiculous number of refugees lying to authorities.

I'm not surprised in the least. Unfortunately this kind of shit ends up having an impact on immigrants that don't try to take advantage of the system.

Pretty respect-less if you ask me, not only are they taking up space in the system meant for people more vulnerable by them- It seems they've come to think Denmark is like some sort of second chance, so they can pack up and run from their own nations, not even war-torn, but undesirable to live in because it's been mismanaged to shit. Our ancestors did not struggle through decades of difficult political maneuvering, protest movements and compromise to create our welfare system, so every person too lazy and entitled to fight the same struggle could come from around the world and leech off of it. [editline]9th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Trebgarta;51503179]There is a lot more explanation to what this means and why it is so in the article. But anyone is free to interpret this as 3/4 are lying scumbags.[/QUOTE] Even if you account for the variables the number of people lying about their ages would still be disastrously high. The number should be marginal.

Someone please tell me the difference between a 18 year old and a 19 year old.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51503196]Someone please tell me the difference between a 18 year old and a 19 year old.[/QUOTE] if you deliberately lie to gain supposed benefits from a system you are a fucker who should fuck off

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51503196]Someone please tell me the difference between a 18 year old and a 19 year old.[/QUOTE] someone tell me the difference between a 19 year old and a 20 year old a 20y old and a 21y old .. a 30y old and a 31y old

[QUOTE=Saturn V;51503203]if you deliberately lie to gain supposed benefits from a system you are a fucker who should fuck off[/QUOTE] According to this news article there is no sign of that

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51503196]Someone please tell me the difference between a 18 year old and a 19 year old.[/QUOTE] what is this supposed to argue?

Title is incredibly misleading (and we had the exact same thread a few months ago) - only a subset of refugees who report to be children are age checked for very obvious reasons; of those 75% turn out to be more than 18 years old.

[QUOTE=idiot;51503221]what is this supposed to argue?[/QUOTE] 18 is an arbitrary cutoff point for adulthood. I know 19 year olds who I wouldn't define as adult.

Sensationalist title much?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51503232]18 is an arbitrary cutoff point for adulthood. I know 19 year olds who I wouldn't define as adult.[/QUOTE] What do you think the point should be, one which is not arbitrary?

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51503253]You contributed nothing to your nations welfare system. You never fought for amendments nor "struggled through difficult political maneuvering". In a way, you are about as entitled to your countries facilities as those refugees are, dude. The only difference is that they happened to be born in a different country. Never take credit for the work of your ancestors as if you had any role in it, especially when you're pandering to patriotism. Always bothered me when people say stuff like that.[/QUOTE] How do you know they contributed nothing to the welfare system? If you pay taxes, that'd surely be contributing to it.

[QUOTE=Cructo;51503242]ok how would you suggest adulthood be defined[/QUOTE] There are a number of concept of adulthood; biological (agreed by all to be when a human reaches sexual maturity), legal (where a person has reached the age of majority and is deemed responsible, self sufficient, and independent), as well as psychological (where there isnt a widely accepted definition for adult maturity.) There are also cultural mores dealing with the passage into adulthood, though these are less prevalent in our modern culture. Most societies also dub individuals as adults merely on reaching the age of majority, without showing any reasons why they should be called adults. Persons can be biologically adults, behave like adults, but are still treated like children if they havent reached majority age. Conversely, you can be of the age of maturity, but possess none of the defining characters of being an adult, such as maturity and responsibility.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51503253]You contributed nothing to your nations welfare system. You never fought for amendments nor "struggled through difficult political maneuvering". In a way, you are about as entitled to your countries facilities as those refugees are, dude. The only difference is that they happened to be born in a different country. Never take credit for the work of your ancestors as if you had any role in it, especially when you're pandering to patriotism. Always bothered me when people say stuff like that.[/QUOTE] You don't know shit about me. You don't know shit about how much tax i've payed on the jobs i've had, i'm entitled to benefits from my country's welfare system because my ancestors intended me to be. Don't come in here and lecture me on my own life you cretin.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51503253]You contributed nothing to your nations welfare system. You never fought for amendments nor "struggled through difficult political maneuvering". In a way, you are about as entitled to your countries facilities as those refugees are, dude. The only difference is that they happened to be born in a different country. Never take credit for the work of your ancestors as if you had any role in it, especially when you're pandering to patriotism. Always bothered me when people say stuff like that.[/QUOTE] If you work and pay taxes you have every fucking right to be pissed at people that abuse it like 3/4ths of Refugees pretending to be underage.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51503303]But refugees already payed their dues to your country, I recall of hearing news your government had begun confiscating material possessions like jewelry to cover and mitigate the expenses of the upkeep of refugee centers and programs, as well as slashing their social benefits in half. If that isn't enough, what is, then?[/QUOTE] Say you can sell someones family jewels for a generous price- Say 10,000 Kr. That will pay for the bare minimum of one person's expenses in Denmark for about two months. It's not nearly enough to cover the expenses, hence why i thought the practice of taking people's jewels was pointless when i heard about it. The only way you could make a refugee intake cost-effective, would be to put them to work. But people coming over from the middle east and north africa are pretty much never qualified for the work that is available. And the work they are qualified for, there are already plenty of Danes competing over, and pretty much nobody are going to hire an immigrant with no language skills or local social awareness, over a native with the same practical qualifications.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51503224]only a subset of refugees who report to be children are age checked for very obvious reasons; of those 75% turn out to be more than 18 years old.[/QUOTE] but that's exactly what the title says

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51503253]You contributed nothing to your nations welfare system. You never fought for amendments nor "struggled through difficult political maneuvering". In a way, you are about as entitled to your countries facilities as those refugees are, dude. The only difference is that they happened to be born in a different country. [B]Never take credit for the work of your ancestors as if you had any role in it,[/B] especially when you're pandering to patriotism. Always bothered me when people say stuff like that.[/QUOTE] But you can take oppression points from your ancestors if they got gassed, right?

Of course refugees lie, how do you think the ISIS members pass through?

[QUOTE=Saturn V;51503318]but that's exactly what the title says[/QUOTE] No that's not what it says, it says on this page that 75% of underage refugees in Denmark - as in, ALL OF THEM, not a subset that were checked for obvious reasons - are adults. Significant difference. Here's the whole article - that OP didn't include beyond the first line despite it being so short: [QUOTE]Denmark has sent some 800 people to be age-tested so far in 2016, more than double last year's figure - and officials predict another 200 by the end of the year. The tests involve X-rays of the subjects' teeth and fingers and are carried out by the Insititute of Forensic Medicine in Copenhagen, Jyllands-Posten reported. Read more Experts have said dental evidence is not totally reliable, pointing out it is possible to wrongly estimate someone's age by up to three years when making an estimate based on this criteria. Integration minister Inger Stølberg said the figures proved the asylum system was working. She said: "The Danish Immigration Service makes a major effort to expose those who are cheating and is also working on how it can happen even faster." But Eva Singer, head of asylum at the Danish Refugee Council, said: "There are many of these young people who don't know precisely how old they are because it is not something that is registered in their home countries in the same way as it is in Denmark." Under-18s have a number of additional privileges in the asylum process, Jyllands-Posten said, including the ability to apply for their parents to join them in Denmark. Martin Henriksen, spokesman for the anti-immigration Danish People's Party, called for all asylum seekers to be age-tested unless they were obviously children. Rowan Farrell, co-founder of Refugee Info Bus, a charity that operated in the Calais Jungle camp, told The Independent earlier this year: "A lot of the 16 and 17 year-olds in the camp look very weathered. Refugees and migrants who look a lot older. "But then you speak to them and see that they speak and act like a child, because they are in fact a child."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51503242]ok how would you suggest adulthood be defined[/QUOTE] I don't know! But flipping a switch and saying everyone past 18 is an adult seems wrong. Maybe the question of benefits shouldn't be defined by age but by level of independence.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51503364]I don't know! But flipping a switch and saying everyone past 18 is an adult seems wrong. Maybe the question of benefits shouldn't be defined by age but by level of independence.[/QUOTE] Significant difference in acting like an adult and being independent and being physically an adult and the laws around it. 18 or 17 seems like a fine age to me to be treated as an adult.

[QUOTE=Saturn V;51503318]but that's exactly what the title says[/QUOTE] That's not what the title says, though, you should probably read it again.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51503418]Let me offer you an alternative perspective then; Your issues as I understand it, are primarily refugees leeching off of benefits rather than finding jobs and properly integrating into the country. You feel betrayed and angered that your taxes are going to waste, effectively supporting an entire demographic unwilling to do their part for the country they've chosen to emigrate to. Your solution to this, is cooperation through punishment. Slashing social benefits, forcing them to turn over any personal belongings of worth, and basically limiting their already - as you've said - incredibly limited job market. How will any of these decisions push the refugees to get a job and start paying the same taxes you're paying, if you are literally condemning them to a life of crime and poverty from the very minute they get off the plane? These policies can only lead to rising crime rates as the refugees are less and less motivated to get actual jobs and far more motivated to simply revert back to the things they presumably emigrated from. [/QUOTE] I know people make this argument, but it's not exactly my position. I don't think Danmark has anything to gain from immigration unless it's this unrealistic best-case scenario where you magically wipe away the deep systemic issues immigrants bring with them from middle eastern societies with scholastic illiteracy, incompatible social norms, for not the mention the odd anti-democratic tendency. I'ts not realistic, these people are going to be a burden on our system for generations to come even if we do everything in our power to include them. I've watched a lot of young boys through my time in the school system, who had every chance for a productive future given to them, but they pretty much invariably squandered it. I think out of ten or so people i've known who were immigrants in the schools i've attended, about three of them finished their school year without dropping out. All girls interestingly. These boys were simply not interested in becoming engineers, technicians, doctors, social employees and so forth. They were interested in playing gangster rappers out in the nightlife. My actual position is that Immigration must stop. Though i'm not one of those people who say 'send them all home' or whatever, that's also unrealistic. We must curb the growing problem immediately, and start working on assimilating the immigrants who are already here, Work on the problems of Ghettos and the whole paralel-society issue. And make sure that the generations of Immigrant-children to come will not also be incompatible with our society. Then when the situation is stable and we have an actual plan, then we can consider opening up for foreigners again. But as it is now, we are well past the point of generosity, now we are actually harming the society that presumably we also want the immigrants to live in.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51503253]You contributed nothing to your nations welfare system. You never fought for amendments nor "struggled through difficult political maneuvering". In a way, you are about as entitled to your countries facilities as those refugees are, dude. The only difference is that they happened to be born in a different country.[/QUOTE] Are you kidding me? I guess the years I worked, paying 39% of my income back as tax means nothing? As does everyone elses tax? Come on buddy.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51503196]Someone please tell me the difference between a 18 year old and a 19 year old.[/QUOTE] Whats the difference between a 17 and an 18 year old? Those people's chances is what you are putting on the line here...

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51503232]18 is an arbitrary cutoff point for adulthood. I know 19 year olds who I wouldn't define as adult.[/QUOTE] how else do you propose the state recognises citizens as legal adults, aptitude tests?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51503364]I don't know! But flipping a switch and saying everyone past 18 is an adult seems wrong. Maybe the question of benefits shouldn't be defined by age but by level of independence.[/QUOTE] We are not talking about 19-year olds lying that they are 18, we are talking like cases like this in Sweden, and in a thankfully lesser sense, the rest of West Europe: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Qf19lOB.jpg[/IMG] The unaccompanied child refugee in the middle is totally 12 years old with his receding hairline and moustache. Here is is having won a track and field day for 12-year old school children. [IMG]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/29/00/30AB376D00000578-0-image-a-21_1454027877408.jpg[/IMG] Youssaf Khaliif Nuur is here in court for the brutal murder of 22-year old refugee center worker Alexandra Mezher earlier this year. Nuur claims to be 15 years old. Mezher had already voiced her worries about most unaccompanied child refugees looking to be grown men in their twenties, while claiming to be between 14 and 17 years old. Sadly enough, Miss Mezher got stabbed to death by Nuur in what still seems to be an unprovoked act of violence. [IMG]https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11081320_968352329872328_8905091235428622053_n.jpg?oh=dc147b22cf2564992ba5dc2c338841f5&oe=58F6FCBE[/IMG] Swedish PM Stefan Lovren poses with a bunch of unaccompanied child refugees. Every single person in the picture except Lovren claims to be under 17 years old.