David Gregory waves Hi-Cap Mag on Meet the Press in DC while asking the NRA About a Ban so People Ca
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[QUOTE]Uh oh, Mr. Gregory. NBC may have some explaining to do after Sunday morning’s “Meet the Press” where host David Gregory had in his possession, and shared with viewers, a 30-round magazine for what he claimed was from an AR-15 rifle.
During the 23-minute interview with Wayne LaPierre from the NRA, Gregory held up the magazine and asked LaPierre if he would support reducing ammunition capacity. When LaPierre responded he didn’t think that would make a difference because it hasn’t worked in the past, Gregory said, “you’re telling me that it’s not a matter of common sense that if you don’t have an ability to shoot off 30 rounds without reloading, that, just possibly, you could reduce the loss of life?”
Well, according to Breitbart.com, David Gregory violated DC law, where Meet the Press is filmed, because that particular magazine is already banned. Oops. The statute reads:
DC High Capacity Ammunition Magazines – D.C. Official Code 7-2506.01
(b) No person in the District shall possess, sell, or transfer any large capacity ammunition feeding device regardless of whether the device is attached to a firearm. For the purposes of this subsection, the term large capacity ammunition feeding device means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The term large capacity ammunition feeding device shall not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.[/QUOTE]
Looks like someone fucked up.
mag restrictions are some of the most brain dead things anti gunners have come up with.
The lack of common sense is baffling.
Like here in Canada we can buy the same mags, we can buy drum mags, but they are pinned to a certain amount.
Guess how hard the pin is to remove? takes about 3 seconds with an electric drill.
Wow such a deterant definitely saves thousands of lives
[QUOTE=Aman VII;38960590]mag restrictions are some of the most brain dead things anti gunners have come up with.
The lack of common sense is baffling.
Like here in Canada we can buy the same mags, we can buy drum mags, but they are pinned to a certain amount.
Guess how hard the pin is to remove? takes about 3 seconds with an electric drill.
Wow such a deterant definitely saves thousands of lives[/QUOTE]
It's better to TRY then just say "oh well".
The problem here people need to realise that just because you can think of ins and outs, doesn't mean legislation can just be implemented.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;38960608]It's better to TRY then just say "oh well"[/QUOTE]
But by what Aman VII says, they're not even trying.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;38960608]It's better to TRY then just say "oh well"[/QUOTE]
the proper quote is alluding me at the moment but trying for the sake of trying while having no actual knowledge about the subject is worse than doing nothing
'Surely if people can't buy 75-round drums, they won't be able to kill as many people!'
I'm just imagining some nutjob with a rifle, who shoots ten times, then looks quizzically at his rifle, and says 'Welp, that's it, I'm out' and lays down for the police.
The worst school shooting in history was done with only ten-round magazines. It doesn't matter how many rounds your mag holds when you have [i]fifteen[/i] of them and know how to reload.
[QUOTE=catbarf;38960625]'Surely if people can't buy 75-round drums, they won't be able to kill as many people!'
I'm just imagining some nutjob with a rifle, who shoots ten times, then looks quizzically at his rifle, and says 'Welp, that's it, I'm out' and lays down for the police.
The worst school shooting in history was done with only ten-round magazines.[/QUOTE]
The guy in England killed 10(?) people with a double barrel shotgun. 2 shells. Guess we got to restrict it to 1 shell, that travesty couldn't have happened with 1 shell!
[QUOTE=catbarf;38960625]'Surely if people can't buy 75-round drums, they won't be able to kill as many people!'
I'm just imagining some nutjob with a rifle, who shoots ten times, then looks quizzically at his rifle, and says 'Welp, that's it, I'm out' and lays down for the police.
The worst school shooting in history was done with only ten-round magazines. It doesn't matter how many rounds your mag holds when you have [i]fifteen[/i] of them and know how to reload.[/QUOTE]
reloading takes a few seconds even for someone who is trained. It could save at least a few lives in a shooting if he has to stop and reload.
[QUOTE=Red scout?;38960644]reloading takes a few seconds even for someone who is trained. It could save at least a few lives in a shooting if he has to stop and reload.[/QUOTE]
What's the logic then if in Canada we can just unpin the mag?
What the fuck difference does that make to their feel good law that protects no one
[QUOTE=Red scout?;38960644]reloading takes a few seconds even for someone who is trained. It could save at least a few lives in a shooting if he has to stop and reload.[/QUOTE]
"could"
Works both ways. It could [I]not[/I] as well.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;38960635]The guy in England killed 10(?) people with a double barrel shotgun. 2 shells. Guess we got to restrict it to 1 shell, that travesty couldn't have happened with 1 shell![/QUOTE]
He drove around with a jeep, stopping next to people on the street in a village.
He's just more creative than your average spree-shooter.
A criminal or someone planning on some sort of shooting spree assuming they have basic forethought would just acquire the needed tools ( IE mags be it illegal or otherwise) or just alter one to their needs.
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;38960674]He drove around with a jeep, stopping next to people on the street in a village.
He's just more creative than your average spree-shooter.[/QUOTE]
Ok? So I guess we have to put governors in all jeeps to keep them from being able to drive away from a crime scene fast.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38960664]"could"
Works both ways. It could [I]not[/I] as well.[/QUOTE]
Well, I dont think the shooter stopping to reload will make him kill MORE people.
[QUOTE=Red scout?;38960689]Well, I dont think the shooter stopping to reload will make him kill MORE people.[/QUOTE]
"a few seconds" are worthless
[QUOTE=Aman VII;38960676]Ok? So I guess we have to put governors in all jeeps to keep them from being able to drive away from a crime scene fast.[/QUOTE]
You just made it sound like the fact that he had like an hour to reload between killings wasn't important.
It's not like he was rampaging in a school or against a crowd of people.
Also addressing the article itself, a 30 round mag isn't "hi cap" that is standard size.
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;38960702]You just made it sound like the fact that he had like an hour to reload between killings wasn't important.
It's not like he was rampaging in a school or against a crowd of people.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but I can't accept that logic when I have a simple personal experience to debunk it.
So let's lay this out here.
Say in Canada a country with already decently restrictive gun laws someone wants to go on a shooting spree, they either a) acquire an illegal firearm through illegal means completely negating any of these feel good laws or they b) go through the process or have already gone through the process of acquiring a legal firearm.
Let's say they now have this legal firearm, they can now choose to go down the previous illegal route to acquire a "hi cap" mag or they can simply make their own in under 10 seconds with a drill and some common sense.
How does this legislation stop or prevent anything?
a 30 round mag is considered hi-cap by the anti's. Yes it is a pretty standard number of rounds for a magazine but they want 10.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis[/media]
Skip to 1:29 if you want to hear someone's testimony who was actually in [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_massacre]a mass shooting.[/url]
All it does is work to piss legal gun owners off who are doing nothing wrong in the first place and making paper criminals out of someone who dares have more bullets in a mag than some imaginary figure politicians who know nothing about the subject to begin with pulled out of their ass
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[QUOTE=Death King83;38960738]a 30 round mag is considered hi-cap by the anti's. Yes it is a pretty standard number of rounds for a magazine but they want 10.[/QUOTE]
then they will want 5, then they will want this, then they will want that. You give them a foot they take a yard, it happened here in Canada. You don't want to accept any of these idiots demands cause they will just keep pushing and pushing for more
[QUOTE=Red scout?;38960689]Well, I dont think the shooter stopping to reload will make him kill MORE people.[/QUOTE]Well, as I recall the high-capacity magazine used in the Dark Night Rises shooting jammed and is what lead to him actually stepping out of the theater for a moment and being locked out.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38960762]Well, as I recall the high-capacity magazine used in the Dark Night Rises shooting jammed and is what lead to him actually stepping out of the theater for a moment and being locked out.[/QUOTE]
That's the final solution!
unreliable high-cap mags should be mandatory
Anti gun nuts don't understand guns because they don't own them because they're anti gun nuts.
Gun nuts understand guns because they own guns because they're gun nuts.
There is a stratification here that will never merge and the two sides will never understand nor compromise with each other.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38960794]Anti gun nuts don't understand guns because they don't own them because they're anti gun nuts.
Gun nuts understand guns because they own guns because they're gun nuts.
There is a stratification here that will never merge and the two sides will never understand nor compromise with each other.[/QUOTE]
Except gun nuts have a massive vested interest.
So it's not so equal.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38960786]That's the final solution!
unreliable high-cap mags should be mandatory[/QUOTE]That is not the worst idea to come out of this.
The only thing magazine caps do is require a couple hours of preparation to get around. A cheap welder and a bit of metalworking skills are enough to cut up and stick together a couple of low-cap magazines, or just fabricate your own. Magazines by nature are cheap and simple to facilitate mass production and disposability.
Make all guns bolt action
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;38960839]Make all guns bolt action[/QUOTE]
no no make all guns black powder.
At least bank robbers would have some class about them now.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38960696]"a few seconds" are worthless[/QUOTE]
Not to mention the fact that in the long run, 5-8 seconds doesn't really buy more than 1 or 2 lives saved. Sure, the more, the better, but once a shooter reloads, he'll keep on firing.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38960794]Anti gun nuts don't understand guns because they don't own them because they're anti gun nuts.
Gun nuts understand guns because they own guns because they're gun nuts.
There is a stratification here that will never merge and the two sides will never understand nor compromise with each other.[/QUOTE]
Well, from what I see it's mostly us foreigners who have grown up in a society where firearms havent been in widespread use by civillians tend to be on the against side on the argument. Whilst we cant do much inflict on the political choices in america, we can still voice our opinion. No, I have never fired a real gun. So I cant really see what is so awesome about it. I would consider myself however intrested in weapons and semi-gun nut. But I still stand on the side speaking against civillian ownership of firearms.
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