Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 4 others charged in 9/11 attack; Possibility of death penalty on the table & - Polidicks

[QUOTE](CNN) -- The United States on Wednesday announced charges against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, accused of orchestrating the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and four others accused of involvement in the plot. [B]"If convicted, the five accused could be sentenced to death," the Defense Department said in a statement.[/B] Along with Mohammed, the others are Walid Muhammad Salih Mubarak Bin 'Attash, Ramzi Binalshibh, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, and Mustafa Ahmed Adam al Hawsawi. The charges allege that the five are "responsible for the planning and execution of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, in New York, Washington, D.C., and Shanksville, Pa., resulting in the killing of 2,976 people," the statement said. [B]The five accused are charged with "terrorism, hijacking aircraft, conspiracy, murder in violation of the law of war, attacking civilians, attacking civilian objects, intentionally causing serious bodily injury, and destruction of property in violation of the law of war. The convening authority has referred all charges to a joint trial."[/B] The convening authority, the Office of Military Commissions, referred charges to a capital military commission, the department said. "Each of the five accused have been provided, in addition to their detailed defense counsel, learned counsel, possessing specialized knowledge and experience in death penalty cases, to assist them in their defense," the Pentagon said. The chief judge of the Military Commissions Trial Judiciary will assign a military judge to the case, and the five will be arraigned at Naval Station Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within 30 days of service of the referred charges upon them. Wednesday's action is a refiling of charges against the accused conspirators. The military initially charged Mohammed in 2008, but President Barack Obama stopped the case as part of his effort to close the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay. Unable to close the center, Obama attempted to move the case to federal court in New York in 2009, only to run into a political firestorm. The plan was dropped after complaints about cost and security. Last April, Attorney General Eric Holder announced the five would face a military trial at Guantanamo Bay. [B]The American Civil Liberties Union opposes the military tribunals. They "are sure to be subject to continuous legal challenges and delays, and their outcomes will not be seen as legitimate. That is not justice," the group said Wednesday.[/B] ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero said the administration is making a "terrible mistake by prosecuting the most important terrorism trials of our time in a second-tier system of justice." "Whatever verdict comes out of the Guantanamo military commissions will be tainted by an unfair process and the politics that wrongly pulled these cases from federal courts, which have safely and successfully handled hundreds of terrorism trials," Romero said. [B]"The military commissions were set up to achieve easy convictions and hide the reality of torture, not to provide a fair trial.[/B] Although the rules have been improved, the military commissions continue to violate due process by allowing the use of hearsay and coerced or secret evidence." [img]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120404051112-ksm-charged-story-top.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/us/khalid-9-11-charges/index.html?hpt=hp_t3[/url]

he has a fucking massive forehead

I don't see a problem with the death penalty in this case.

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My least favorite thing about military justice is that hearsay is credible evidence.

[quote]The five accused are charged with "terrorism, hijacking aircraft, conspiracy, murder in violation of the law of war, attacking civilians, attacking civilian objects, intentionally causing serious bodily injury, and destruction of property in violation of the law of war. The convening authority has referred all charges to a joint trial."[/quote] I see one BS charge there, the "murder in violation of the law of war" charge, going by the USA, its not war but a policing action

why even kill him he will have won if they kill him just let him rot in prison

Kill him! Torture him too. I thirst blood.

snip didn't see that last sentence

I don't really think killing anybody is going to help at all. If anything, it'll probably be something of a victory for him; it shows just how hated he is, and thus how huge an act he commited.

I love the ACLU. they just don't give a fuck about anything except liberties.

The ones responsible have been amply punished. Even ones not responsible have been punished. What will executing these guys achieve? On the other hand, their deaths can't possibly make the already great pile of corpses seem much larger.

They can't legitimately convict these guys, but they can't send them back either. They're in limbo.

I saw they charge the fucker that hijacked the plane!! give 'em the chair.

[QUOTE=thisispain;35443572]I love the ACLU. they just don't give a fuck about anything except liberties.[/QUOTE] I did some work for ACLU, petitioning to get the death penalty repealed here in California. We got the signatures needed, but there were all different sorts of people working with the local branch.

[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;35433102]I don't see a problem with the death penalty in this case.[/QUOTE] It's kind of a conundrum. You either kill them and they become "martyrs for the cause" or you let them rot in prison where they might have the ability to influence others. Personally I think they should be put in a prison somewhere all by themselves, with noone to talk to and no news about the outside world. Isolate them completely. If they don't want to be a part of the modern world, don't let them be a part of any world. That or we could release them into New York with labels on them saying who they are and what they did. I'm sure New Yorkers would take care of that situation quickly.

And once again Obama is giving the Republicans exactly what they demand and getting absolutely nothing in return.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;35444808]That or we could release them into New York with labels on them saying who they are and what they did. I'm sure New Yorkers would take care of that situation quickly.[/QUOTE] I would love to watch that.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;35444808]It's kind of a conundrum. You either kill them and they become "martyrs for the cause" or you let them rot in prison where they might have the ability to influence others. Personally I think they should be put in a prison somewhere all by themselves, with noone to talk to and no news about the outside world. Isolate them completely. If they don't want to be a part of the modern world, don't let them be a part of any world. That or we could release them into New York with labels on them saying who they are and what they did. I'm sure New Yorkers would take care of that situation quickly.[/QUOTE] Charge one dollar per punch, two per kick.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;35444808]I'm sure New Yorkers would take care of that situation quickly.[/QUOTE] i'm sure the 3k people that died would have wanted their deaths to inspire lynchings

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;35446613]i'm sure the 3k people that died would have wanted their deaths to inspire lynchings[/QUOTE] To be honest I'm sure plenty of them would.

how do terrorists influence others through a solitary cell with little contact they can't as long we're not giving them 5 star hotel treatment, they're fine rotting in their cells, no need for death penalty

[QUOTE=OvB;35446586]Charge one dollar per punch, two per kick.[/QUOTE] Boost the economy, $100 per punch

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;35446424]And once again Obama is giving the Republicans exactly what they demand and getting absolutely nothing in return.[/QUOTE] Because Obama is the judge in the tribunal.

Killing them just turns them into martyrs. Probably better to leave them in prison, then show pictures of them every month looking really haggard with badly-photoshopped titles like "GOD WARRIOR" "GLORIOUS JIHADIST" "CUNT DESTROYER" and so on. [QUOTE=OvB;35446586]Charge one dollar per punch, two per kick.[/QUOTE]If it's a really strong bloke, you'll have to limit him to slaps, else he'll turn them into a paste before you've had a chance to get any large amount of money from them.

all y'all who want the death penalty are sick. it doesn't matter what crime someone commits, they don't deserve death

[QUOTE=gra;35457057]all y'all who want the death penalty are sick. it doesn't matter what crime someone commits, they don't deserve death[/QUOTE] The people in the world trade centers didn't deserve death.

[QUOTE=gra;35457057]all y'all who want the death penalty are sick. it doesn't matter what crime someone commits, they don't deserve death[/QUOTE] What about the people in the September 11 attacks? Did they deserve death? I think not.

[QUOTE=counterpo0;35457495]The people in the world trade centers didn't deserve death.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Singo;35458777]What about the people in the September 11 attacks? Did they deserve death? I think not.[/QUOTE] i agree that they didn't deserve it, but taking any life is extremely immoral and i think we should live in a society that doesn't kill needlessly. and anyways, life in an american prison for these five would be unimaginably worse than getting the death penalty.

[QUOTE=Singo;35458777]What about the people in the September 11 attacks? Did they deserve death? I think not.[/QUOTE] [thumb]http://www.misterbees.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/strawman.jpg[/thumb]