• The Free Man's Photoshop
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[url]http://www.filehippo.com/download_paint.net/[/url] I just found this, haven't tried it but it looks pretty good for $0 EDIT: It is upgraded MSPaint. Let's see how many lates I can get!
Thats the upgraded MSPaint. [url=http://www.gimp.org/] This is the Free Photoshop[/url]
I've been using it for years...nothing new... by free man I think you mean poor man, and the poor man's Photoshop is GIMP not pdn...
GIMP is pretty confusing and shitty, might as well stick with the real pro software.
[QUOTE=ForTehWolf...2!;20279516]I've been using it for years...nothing new... by free man I think you mean poor man, and the poor man's Photoshop is GIMP not pdn...[/QUOTE] It may be late, but I just noticed it on FileHippo. I guess you can call it the upgraded MSpaint, I'm going to try it right now. Yeah, it's upgraded MSpaint.
[QUOTE=MrDoctor;20279544]GIMP is pretty confusing and shitty, might as well stick with the real pro software.[/QUOTE] Nothing is really free. So you might not pay anything for it, but you pay in ease of use.
If you want confusing and shitty, look at Windows. If you haven't been using it for a long time, or if you're used to other operating systems like OS X, Linux, etc., it's confusing as hell.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;20279617]If you want confusing and shitty, look at Windows. If you haven't been using it for a long time, or if you're used to other operating systems like OS X, Linux, etc., it's confusing as hell.[/QUOTE] Wow really? I mean was the desktop icons, the start menu -> programs, and the quick launch too much for your brain to operate? And for troubleshooting, damn that control panel and the MMC Snapins. Because those things made things so rough and tough.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;20279577]Nothing is really free. So you might not pay anything for it, but you pay in ease of use.[/QUOTE] Well I use Adobe Design Premium CS4 so I can't imagine downgrading to open source shitty software, but if you use a highly modified version of GIMP it might be ok. If you're looking for just painting, go with Open Canvas, it's basically free and amazing (trial forever or older free version) [editline]09:21PM[/editline] There's also Aviary, which has free online tools that are awesome. [url]http://aviary.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=MrDoctor;20279544]GIMP is pretty confusing and shitty, might as well stick with the real pro software.[/QUOTE] GIMP is a bit more confusing than Photoshop, and probably not quite as good, but it is definitely [i]not[/i] shitty. It is definitely worth it for anyone who doesn't use stuff like that enough to need to pay a couple of hundred quid for a copy, for example pretty much everyone who isn't a pro-artist or pro-artist in training (or incredibly rich).
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;20279648]Wow really? I mean was the desktop icons, the start menu -> programs, and the quick launch too much for your brain to operate? And for troubleshooting, damn that control panel and the MMC Snapins. Because those things made things so rough and tough.[/QUOTE] Windows is terribly unintuitive. In the off chance I have to boot into Windows, I spend ten to twenty minutes trying to figure out what is broken, because Windows never seems to tell you exactly what is wrong with your system. With Linux, I have log files all over the place, documentation for literally everything, a massive community that knows their system inside and out, and everything is easy to fix with just a few lines of code. And it is the same story with OS X, BSD, Solaris, etc.
[QUOTE=MrDoctor;20279544]GIMP is pretty confusing and shitty, might as well stick with the real pro software.[/QUOTE] Confusing? As long as you have an IQ that hovers anywhere over 80, figuring out GIMP isn't very difficult.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;20279766]Windows is terribly unintuitive. In the off chance I have to boot into Windows, I spend ten to twenty minutes trying to figure out what is broken, because Windows never seems to tell you exactly what is wrong with your system. With Linux, I have log files all over the place, documentation for literally everything, a massive community that knows their system inside and out, and everything is easy to fix with just a few lines of code. And it is the same story with OS X, BSD, Solaris, etc.[/QUOTE] Try this, Start Menu -> Run -> Eventvwr.msc OR look for the "System Recovered from a serious fuckup" error screens. Look at the STOP code (IE: 0x0000007E) goto MSDN (msdn.microsoft.com) and type in 0x7E. Can be pretty cryptic.. But its unintuitive tendancies did gain it atleast 95% of the worlds market share.
If you know how to build your own system you should have an idea how to fix windows, it's really easy if you know what you're talking about.
88.1%, according to my sources ( [url]http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp[/url] ). And that's because Microsoft used unfair market techniques for so long that everyone except the hardcore UNIX guys got used to it. Of course, now that isn't so much the case. Less narrow-minded individuals have been trying out new things, operating systems such as Canonical's Ubuntu GNU/Linux, or Red Hat's Fedora project. Also: /var/log will tell you exactly what went wrong in pretty much any *NIX environment without all those cryptic error codes.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;20280228]88.1%, according to my sources ( [url]http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp[/url] ). And that's because Microsoft used unfair market techniques for so long that everyone except the hardcore UNIX guys got used to it. Of course, now that isn't so much the case. Less narrow-minded individuals have been trying out new things, operating systems such as Canonical's Ubuntu GNU/Linux, or Red Hat's Fedora project. Also: /var/log will tell you exactly what went wrong in pretty much any *NIX environment without all those cryptic error codes.[/QUOTE] Ive been on the linux kick since i was a kid. And yes, it is ease of use and it really does remove the cryptic messages such as the hex stop codes and other bullshittery. But you know the world isn't really going to venture into that market too much sadly. Linux did gain a fair amount of market share in the last few years than ever before though. Ubuntu has really made a linux that is.. idiot friendly. but still, i prefer troubleshooting over the Windows environment alot more. But when all else fails, I go into linux and fix shit easily. Also extremely useful for data recovery when windows cant recognize the partition/drive anymore. [quote=ButtsexV2]Now you're just agreeing with me, I can't debate with someone who is agreeing with me. It just doesn't work that way.[/quote] sucks doesnt it?
Now you're just agreeing with me, I can't debate with someone who is agreeing with me. It just doesn't work that way.
[QUOTE=MrDoctor;20279544]GIMP is pretty confusing and shitty, might as well stick with the real pro software.[/QUOTE] I agree that the interface is awful, but I hear they're working on it: [url]http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/02/hands-on-new-single-window-mode-makes-gimp-less-gimpy.ars[/url] I'll judge it when I try it, but I'm hopeful that this will finally make it usable.
I just switched from Gimp to Krita today. My Kernel drm was causing Gimp to render badly. Menus were all garbled, and drawing crap was slow. [editline]09:20PM[/editline] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Krita2-2alpha1-with-Dungeon-Girl.png[/img]
Krita looks pretty nice, actually. I've heard good things about it but never bothered to install it.
Krita looks great. I'll try it sometime. I guarantee you... I've said i before and I'll say it again. Gimp can do anything photoshp can do. I promise, and photoshop tutorial I can easily follow in gimp. I actually prefer gimp to photoshop, and I have used both extensively. I actually like gimp best on windows. It's glitchy on mac, and I don't like using program that use X11, and I haven't used it much on linux.
[QUOTE=Metanoia;20280541]I agree that the interface is awful, but I hear they're working on it: [url]http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/02/hands-on-new-single-window-mode-makes-gimp-less-gimpy.ars[/url] I'll judge it when I try it, but I'm hopeful that this will finally make it usable.[/QUOTE] Hell yes, I'll switch back to gimp once they release this.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;20279617]If you want confusing and shitty, look at Windows. If you haven't been using it for a long time, or if you're used to other operating systems like OS X, Linux, etc., it's confusing as hell.[/QUOTE] And vice versa if you're not used to Unix based Operating Systems. We're both stupid.
well fuck at least you debate properly
[QUOTE=Roast Beast;20281293]Hell yes, I'll switch back to gimp once they release this.[/QUOTE] I'm really looking forward to this. Gimpshop sucks absolute balls, but I wanted it all to be in one window, because the window position stuff is really glitchy. I was on a 1024x678 monitor and the height of one of the toolbars was like 1200 high. So I couldn't do anything.
I used GIMP for three years extensively. By now I've forgotten it all. I use Photoshop now. GIMP was difficult for me to get into at first but it's easy to use once you're able to navigate the archaic interface.
[url]www.getpaint.net[/url] you moron. The interface is really nice and a good selection of plugins extend functionality very much. But it is kind of limited. Of note is the fact that it can draw primitives and GIMP for some reason can't.
I like Paint.net as it hits the "Sweet spot" in terms of features vs. simplicity for my personal use. I've tried GIMP and it was overly complicated for what few features I needed.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;20280228]88.1%, according to my sources ( [url]http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp[/url] ). And that's because Microsoft used unfair market techniques for so long that everyone except the hardcore UNIX guys got used to it. Of course, now that isn't so much the case. Less narrow-minded individuals have been trying out new things, operating systems such as Canonical's Ubuntu GNU/Linux, or Red Hat's Fedora project. Also: /var/log will tell you exactly what went wrong in pretty much any *NIX environment without all those cryptic error codes.[/QUOTE] 1) Not everyone goes to the W3 2) You forget about those people who run more than on OS (dual boot or multi machine) 2.1) There was some sort of external statistic that showed that roughly ~80some% of Mac users have Windows whether it be in Boot Camp or another computer. 3) There's no way to get a real statistic from those web counters.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;20280779]I just switched from Gimp to Krita today. My Kernel drm was causing Gimp to render badly. Menus were all garbled, and drawing crap was slow. [editline]09:20PM[/editline] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Krita2-2alpha1-with-Dungeon-Girl.png[/img][/QUOTE] That looks nice
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