Trump on Hawaii false missile alert: 'They made a mistake' - Polidicks

[quote=CNN]"Well, that was a state thing, but we're going to now get involved with them. I love that they took responsibility, they took total responsibility, but we're going to get involved," [Trump] said. "Their attitude and what they want to do, I think it's terrific. They took responsibility, they made a mistake." Asked what will be done to make sure that doesn't happen again, Trump said: "Well, we hope it won't happen again, but part of it is that people are on edge, and maybe eventually we'll solve the problem and they won't have to be so on edge."[/quote] Source: [url]http://cnn.it/2DaKTjD[/url]

Is there anything he's actually said lately that doesn't sound like word salad? And what's all this about people being on edge thanks to an accident?

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;53054284]Is there anything he's actually said lately that doesn't sound like word salad? And what's all this about people being on edge thanks to an accident?[/QUOTE] Those suffering from the early stages of degenerative cognitive disorders tend to speak like this. They lose the thread midway through a sentence, and just start looping back in order to try and find it again. They're grasping for a point that they can't remember.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;53054284]Is there anything he's actually said lately that doesn't sound like word salad? And what's all this about people being on edge thanks to an accident?[/QUOTE] I think he might be trying to say that people are on edge because of North Korea, and that caused the accidental alert? He's really not good at being clear.

I love the part in the end where he says "... people are on edge, and maybe eventually we'll solve the problem and they won't have to be so on edge." Very eloquent.

The repetitions do seem to be getting more frequent, he repeated himself 3 times in just 2 short sentences.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53054292]Those suffering from the early stages of degenerative cognitive disorders tend to speak like this. They lose the thread midway through a sentence, and just start looping back in order to try and find it again. They're grasping for a point that they can't remember.[/QUOTE] I think you should stop pushing the dementia narrative. I hate Trump just as much as the next guy (you), but you're not any better than them. You have no empirical evidence and it's frankly hypocritical. That's what they do. I thought we were meant to be better?

[quote]"Well, that was a state thing, but we're going to now get involved with them. I love that they took responsibility, they took total responsibility, but we're going to get involved," [Trump] said. "Their attitude and what they want to do, I think it's terrific. They took responsibility, they made a mistake."[/quote] 'Word salad' feels too coherent when describing this dullard opening his big fucking mouth.

[QUOTE=Stopper;53054351]I think you should stop pushing the dementia narrative. I hate Trump just as much as the next guy (you), but you're not any better than them. You have no empirical evidence and it's frankly hypocritical. That's what they do. I thought we were meant to be better?[/QUOTE] Yeah I mean what kind of asshole would speculate on the mental health of a public figure [media]https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/522664117438775296[/media]

[QUOTE=Lambeth;53054361]Yeah I mean what kind of asshole would speculate on the mental health of a public figure [/QUOTE] This is quite literally what I'm talking about???

He's so awful at trying to articulate his words. But I think that is because he's been thrown into a job that he has no fucking clue how to do. He's literally making this shit up off the top of his head and that's exactly how it's coming out.

[QUOTE=Stopper;53054351]I think you should stop pushing the dementia narrative. I hate Trump just as much as the next guy (you), but you're not any better than them. You have no empirical evidence and it's frankly hypocritical. That's what they do. I thought we were meant to be better?[/QUOTE] Um, we have a lot of empirical evidence.Have you read his twitter posts? Have you read what this man says? Have you seen him move?

[QUOTE=Stopper;53054351]I think you should stop pushing the dementia narrative. I hate Trump just as much as the next guy (you), but you're not any better than them. You have no empirical evidence and it's frankly hypocritical. That's what they do. I thought we were meant to be better?[/QUOTE] Hardly. Mental health professionals across the country are seriously concerned about this, including at least one whom I know personally and have discussed this with at length -- with a PHD specializing in degenerative neurological conditions, who has devoted her life to the study, research, and treatment of said conditions. Trump is outwardly symptomatic of cognitive decline, to say nothing his psychological health, and it only seems to be getting worse by the month. He also has a family history of dementia and Alzheimers, and neurological decline on this level can be, and often is, hereditary. While he can't actually be properly diagnosed without him submitting to a series of cognitive tests (at least not until or unless his condition becomes so advanced that he isn't even lucid enough to speak publicly), to say that there is no evidence and no legitimate cause for concern is objectively untrue. He outwardly exhibits symptoms in line with the prospective diagnosis, and they are telling enough that thousands of licensed neurologists, psychologists, and mental health professionals are petitioning the chief physician to the president for neurological testing. There was never the slightest professional concern about Obama's mental health, on the other hand. To imply that the accusations being similar means that they are similarly unfounded is false, and so is your accusation of hypocrisy. Your gaslighting isn't helping anything or anyone. Trump's apparently declining cognitive health is a legitimate concern, supported by observable symptomatic evidence, and shared by those who are most qualified in this country to identify and corroborate the risk.

[QUOTE=Killuah;53054377]Um, we have a lot of empirical evidence.Have you read his twitter posts? Have you read what this man says? Have you seen him move?[/QUOTE] Do you have any sort of certification in mental health to be making statements like that? It's not that easy to tell.

[QUOTE=joost1120;53054384]Do you have any sort of certification in mental health to be making statements like that? It's not that easy to tell.[/QUOTE] I guess it's possible he could just be so incomprehensibly stupid that it looks like he's suffering from a mental disorder.

[QUOTE=joost1120;53054384]Do you have any sort of certification in mental health to be making statements like that? It's not that easy to tell.[/QUOTE] He might not, but here are [URL="https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-time-cure/201709/the-dangerous-case-donald-trump"]over 60,000 people who are[/URL]. Frankly, even the specter of concern about his cognitive ability should be followed up on. Why is the President of the United States not required to undergo psychological and neurological health exams, when those who carry out his orders are? Such exams are routine for those in law enforcement and the military; should the head of the executive branch and Commander in Chief not be subject to the same basic standards of cognitive ability and mental stability? The president has annual examinations of his physical health, as he should. Given that the 25th amendment certifies that the President also has to be neurologically and psychologically sound to discharge the duties of his office, why in the hell shouldn't neurological and psychological testing be a part of that check-up?

Gonna be honest, even if he submitted to tests and it was found out that he was of sound mind the fact that he ACTS like he has mental health issues is hardly re-assuring.

this is great considering alex jones and co recently released like hours of videos claiming how "it was on purpose and trump is going to admit it".

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53054418]He might not, but here are [URL="https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-time-cure/201709/the-dangerous-case-donald-trump"]over 60,000 people who are[/URL]. Frankly, even the specter of concern about his cognitive ability should be followed up on. Why is the President of the United States not required to undergo psychological and neurological health exams, when those who carry out his orders are? Such exams are routine for those in law enforcement and the military; should the head of the executive branch and Commander in Chief not be subject to the same basic standards of cognitive ability and mental stability? The president has annual examinations of his physical health, as he should. Given that the 25th amendment certifies that the President also has to be neurologically and psychologically sound to discharge the duties of his office, why in the hell shouldn't neurological and psychological testing be a part of that check-up?[/QUOTE] I don't like Trump and I'd like to see him removed from power too, just to be clear. But that petition doesn't really prove anything. It only proves that there are more than 60,000 mental health professionals that want Trump gone.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53054381]including at least one whom I know personally and have discussed this with at length -- with a PHD specializing in degenerative neurological conditions, who has devoted her life to the study, research, and treatment of said conditions[/QUOTE] I'm not really calling this out specifically or anything and it's a bit off topic, but I always find it amusing how often on these forums I read posts about people conveniently having personal experiences so relevant to the topic at hand.

I don’t think it takes a PHD to know something isn’t right when someone’s documented words and messages go from being somewhat coherent, to making absolutely no sense over the span of a few years.

[QUOTE=Stopper;53054351]I think you should stop pushing the dementia narrative. I hate Trump just as much as the next guy (you), but you're not any better than them. You have no empirical evidence and it's frankly hypocritical. That's what they do. I thought we were meant to be better?[/QUOTE] Yeah, no. Trump's way of talking is completely and utterly abnormal. No mentally sound person talks like this. Speculating that he's got a mental disorder when you've got absolutely no indication (like amongst others Trump did regarding Obama) is bad, but when the guy in question gives off plenty of indications something's not right it's justified imo.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American] Your gaslighting isn't helping anything or anyone. Trump's apparently declining cognitive health is a legitimate concern, supported by observable symptomatic evidence, and shared by those who are most qualified in this country to identify and corroborate the risk.[/QUOTE] Comon dude throwing around the word gaslighting at someone who thinks we should hold off announcing the mental health of someone you've never met is not cool. Could Trump be mentally ill? Yeah it wouldnt surprise me, but lets stop pretending we know for a fact that the guy has dementia and lets stop attacking anyone who expresses doubt.

[QUOTE=SamPerson123;53054294]He's really not good at being clear.[/QUOTE] Good skill for a politician at least

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;53054459]Does the word "gaslighting" even mean anything anymore?[/QUOTE] Its meaning hasn't changed at any point, despite your loaded and leading question. Is Trebgarta even a username on the forums anymore? I mean, I'm asking here, because I'm pretending not to know to sow seeds of doubt in my target audience, because then maybe they'll think 'well, I don't know either I guess'. I'm not providing any evidence to throw doubt other than my 'hey guys, let's be real' statement. But I don't know because, I mean, I don't see it. I don't see 'Trebgarta' anywhere; does that make me crazy? I don't think so because I think it's more likely that Trebgarta just isn't a username. Because, I mean, we all know I'm not crazy - which means that this whole Trebgarta not being a username thing must be reality, right? Right. So does 'Trebgarta' mean anything anymore? I don't think so. Do you think so - other people - because I don't. I also love that you're gaslighting the actual term gaslighting as a defense for 'this isn't gaslighting'. [quote=EnlightenDead]Comon dude throwing around the word gaslighting at someone who thinks we should hold off announcing the mental health of someone you've never met is not cool.[/quote] No, gaslighting isn't cool. Defending gaslighting is also not cool. Whether you've met someone or not has no bearing on whether you should announce their mental health. Also, he's not 'throwing it around' - he's using it very specifically against a particular user's particular words. You defending said user's gaslighting: That's not cool.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054471]True, but making a diagnosis is far more than just "oh hey, something's messed up with you". Unless you sit down and talk to the patient, you have no right to start diagnosing them.[/QUOTE] Can't give a true diagnosis, sure, but you sure as hell can say something's wrong with him.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054487]That means nothing about nothing. "I can definitely tell that something's wrong, but I don't know what". Then you haven't ruled out anything. You haven't followed any of the tenets of medicine. Your opinion literally counts for nothing if you can't rule anything out, doctor/psychologist or not.[/QUOTE] The first tenet of medicine is to 'Do No Harm'. Telling someone you think may be in danger of a potentially fatal condition is following the oath to do no harm - because allowing them to continue without getting that checked out would be to allow harm. It's like this: If you see some dude who looks like he's suffering from a concussion, it's fine to want to check them out and make sure they're OK. It's even more fine when that person is expected to command an entire nation of 220 million people. It's even further fine when your colleagues are all similarly worried over the exact same conclusion that you're being drawn towards. People who tell you 'stop trying to check to see if people have concussions because you can't prove they have concussions without an exam, thus you can't prove that those exams are necessary or that they even have the concussions you expect them to have therefore don't even attempt to treat or recommend treatment because you can't state definitively that they have a condition' are people who are ridiculous/hysterical and should be ignored.

[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53054499]The first tenet of medicine is to 'Do No Harm'. Telling someone you think may be in danger of a potentially fatal condition is following the oath to do no harm - because allowing them to continue without getting that checked out would be to allow harm.[/QUOTE] Shitposting on Facepunch about how Trump definitely has dementia is a bit different from "you're my friend, and I think you need to get evaluated by a doctor because I think you're showing signs of dementia"

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;53054487]That means nothing about nothing. "I can definitely tell that something's wrong, but I don't know what". Then you haven't ruled out anything. You haven't followed any of the tenets of medicine. Your opinion literally counts for nothing if you can't rule anything out, doctor/psychologist or not.[/QUOTE] Thanks for putting the bar so low that people with dementia are able to serve without being meaningfully questioned

[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53054477]Its meaning hasn't changed at any point, despite your loaded and leading question. Is Trebgarta even a username on the forums anymore? I mean, I'm asking here, because I'm pretending not to know to sow seeds of doubt in my target audience, because then maybe they'll think 'well, I don't know either I guess'. I'm not providing any evidence to throw doubt other than my 'hey guys, let's be real' statement. But I don't know because, I mean, I don't see it. I don't see 'Trebgarta' anywhere; does that make me crazy? I don't think so because I think it's more likely that Trebgarta just isn't a username. Because, I mean, we all know I'm not crazy - which means that this whole Trebgarta not being a username thing must be reality, right? Right. So does 'Trebgarta' mean anything anymore? I don't think so. Do you think so - other people - because I don't. I also love that you're gaslighting the actual term gaslighting as a defense for 'this isn't gaslighting'. No, gaslighting isn't cool. Defending gaslighting is also not cool. Whether you've met someone or not has no bearing on whether you should announce their mental health. Also, he's not 'throwing it around' - he's using it very specifically against a particular user's particular words. You defending said user's gaslighting: That's not cool.[/QUOTE] That guy wasnt gaslighting, ive been gaslighted, ive got extensive experience with it. The original poster was literally saying he doesnt like trump but we shouldnt rush to call him mentally unfit because the only evidence we have is a bunch of people online saying "yeah he could be mentally ill" its literally what the republicans do to their opponents and we shouldnt sink that low. This isnt gaslighting, and your response is a huge overreaction. You and BDA are attacking people that agree with you just because theyre expressing doubts.