Immigrants to the USA heavily subsidize Medicare by 115 billion dollars. Restricting immigration act
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[i]In this Sept. 6, 2012, file photo, patients wait in line at Nuestra Clinica Del Valle in San Juan, Texas. A new report released Wednesday from researchers at Harvard Medical School and Hunter College School of Public Health says that immigrants, particularly non-citizens, heavily subsidize Medicare, and that policies that restrict immigration will deplete Medicare's financial resources.[/i]
[quote]Immigrants contributed about $115 billion more from their paychecks to the Medicare Trust Fund than they took out over a seven-year period in the past decade, according to researchers at Harvard Medical School.
As the Senate debates a new immigration bill and House Republicans work toward a bill that restricts access to government services for unauthorized immigrants who become legal citizens, the researchers concluded in a study released Wednesday that restricting immigration will deplete the fund.
Researchers looked at data from 2002 to 2009.
“The assumption that immigrants are just a drain has been a part of the argument that people should be denied services,” said Leah Zallman, lead researcher and an instructor at Harvard Medical School. “Immigration policy has been closely linked to Medicare’s finances.”
Studies had shown that immigrants use less health care than U.S.-born people, including in government programs, but no one had looked at their contributions to those programs.
In 2009, the researchers found, immigrants contributed $13.9 billion more to the Medicare Trust Fund than they used, while U.S.-born people spent $31 billion more than they contributed. Immigrants, Zallman said, essentially subsidize U.S. health care.
“I was surprised by the degree of subsidy,” Zallman said. “We didn’t see any changes in the amount of the ‘immigrant’ subsidy each year, but there was a decline in net contribution of U.S.-born citizens.”[/quote]
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So if we say to the world "Come on in! We don't care!" we all benefit?
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;40843698]So if we say to the world "Come on in! We don't care!" we all benefit?[/QUOTE]
Not at all. It's a biased title. All it's saying is that people pay taxes when they get a paycheck.
It doesn't mean that Immigrants subsidize it, it means that Americans pay taxes and the taxes go into government programs.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;40843737]Not at all. It's a biased title. All it's saying is that people pay taxes when they get a paycheck.
It doesn't mean that Immigrants subsidize it, it means that Americans pay taxes and the taxes go into government programs.[/QUOTE]
And immigrants pay more into the system than they withdraw.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;40843737]Not at all. It's a biased title.
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No it isn't
Would not apply to Europe
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40844102]And immigrants pay more into the system than they withdraw.[/QUOTE]
I guess? They don't pay official taxes most of the time, so yeah. Doesn't mean they're a godsend to the nation.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;40845414]I guess? They don't pay official taxes most of the time, so yeah. Doesn't mean they're a godsend to the nation.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but allowing them to immigrate means that the overall wellbeing of the country improves.
[QUOTE]Researchers did not break down the Medicare contributions or use by legal and illegal immigrants[/QUOTE]
This thread is dumb, everyone knows legal immigration helps america's medical industry as they have to pay out the nose. It's the illegals that are the problem.
[QUOTE=Ridge;40845542]Researchers did not break down the Medicare contributions or use by legal and illegal immigrants[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] Immigrants contributed about $115 billion more from their paychecks to the Medicare Trust Fund than they took out over a seven-year period in the past decade, according to researchers at Harvard Medical School.[/QUOTE]
Illegal immigrants still pay payroll taxes in most cases, but find it hard or impossible to make use of government services like Medicare. I know you quoted that just to imply illegals are clearly somehow a net negative in this regard.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;40845735]Illegal immigrants still pay payroll taxes in most cases, but find it hard or impossible to make use of government services like Medicare. I know you quoted that just to imply illegals are clearly somehow a net negative in this regard.[/QUOTE]
I quoted that to show that there was no distinction between legal and illegal immigrant in their study. Illegal immigrants pay into the system the same way they can use the services, with stolen identities.
[QUOTE=Ridge;40845831]I quoted that to show that there was no distinction between legal and illegal immigrant in their study. Illegal immigrants pay into the system the same way they can use the services, with stolen identities.[/QUOTE]
Still sounds like you're implying illegal immigrants receive the same level of services as legal immigrants, when it is harder to use false identities to receive benefits and risks deportation, whereas paying taxes with false identities is comparatively safe (the IRS has no force to deport you or report false identities outside of tax crimes).
Also, they don't only use stolen identities. They also use accurate identities but false documentation (e.g. wrong/invalid SSN), false identities that were never stolen, or accurate identities that are no longer permitted to work in the US.
[quote]Republicans work toward a bill that restricts access to government services for unauthorized immigrants who become legal citizens[/quote]
So they are trying to say that a person who is legally a citizen should be denied something every other citizen gets because of where they were born?
Anyone else find this completely wrong?
this study doesnt take into account the fact that most immigrants are young people
young people generally subsidize medicare and they don't receive the benefits until they're older
so the study is only looking short term
[QUOTE=viperfan7;40846299]So they are trying to say that a person who is legally a citizen should be denied something every other citizen gets because of where they were born?
Anyone else find this completely wrong?[/QUOTE]
No, that's definitely not right. Once you're a legal citizen, you should get all the rights of one. That's what the Fourteenth Amendment was supposed to help enforce.
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40855010]No, that's definitely not right. Once you're a legal citizen, you should get all the rights of one. That's what the Fourteenth Amendment was supposed to help enforce.[/QUOTE]
Generally, Republican lawmakers love the Constitution until it doesn't match with their ideals.
Which isn't all that rare an occurrence.
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