Alright, I already have a Computer currently but I am definitely looking to upgrade and future proof a tad.
I currently run:
i5 2500K
HD 6870
8Gb Ripjaw DDR3
Raidmax 600AF PSU
MSI Motherboard of some sort, etc (These are just the base components)
I am currently looking to purchase some new components Friday.
I've been looking into..
AMD FX 8350
Sapphire Windforce R9 290 (Or Tri-X Edition)
Keeping my RAM/PSU
Already have a pretty good motherboard purchased.
Corsair Carbide Spec-03
Essentially what I am asking, is really are those the best 'bangs for the buck'? - Also, is that PSU going to hold up for a few weeks and all? From what I've read other areas, 600W is a decent amount for what I will be running. PSU calculator websites overshot by quite a bit. One website stated I should get a 950W. Which is absolutely bogus.
I know some people suggest 8320 for the price point, but I don't mind the extra $20 for the little performance boost.
Just looking for some insight/suggestions more or less. I am excited to be purchasing these things - and looking to spend around $700 or so. These so far will run about $650-670
EDIT: ALSO! Will an H100i even be worth it also to add on?
I would recommend getting a new psu and GPU. The 8350 would honestly be a downgrade in most performance. Especially in gaming.
Well at my i5 2500k current state it idles around 50 and in game runs up to almost 90c and that's with Thermal Paste adjustment and whatnot.
It's been beat up since it was a launch Processor - so I'm not sure how I feel about it's remaining life more or less - plus as far as I've read up the 8350 wins in most benchmarks, plus is a lot lighter weight in Temperate both load and idle.
Why the GPU though? R9 290 Is an amazing GPU to pick from, and a complete upgrade from the HD 6870 I have.
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Also - I am thinking of getting myself an H100i or a Hyper 212 Evo. I just want better cooling than stock right off the bat.
Also considering a Modular 600W Corsair PSU. Just keeping to a certain budget for now - to get myself moving then in a few weeks when I get paid again throw some more into it.
The 8350 does not win in most benchmarks. It also consumes far more power. I was saying GPU upgrade as in your current one. The r9 290 is an excellent choice.
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I'll link a good PSU when I get on my desktop. How much are you planning on over clocking?
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I do not plan on overclocking as it stands - but I do plan on getting (hopefully) the Corsair Modular 600W CXM Series PSU.
As far as I've read/heard it runs just fine with the 8350 and R9 290 more or less.
But as for 8350 Marks vs the i5 2500k - my only gripe as I still mention is the temperatures.
Sitting in 90C+ in 70-80% load is intense, especially considering though I've had this 2500k since launch date of the processor.
But I do appreciate the 8350 Max load temp with (say an 212 Evo) around 45-50. That's at 100% stress test. Around 60 with the stock cooler.
Didn't notice you posted parts at the bottom either. :P How do you feel on the Corsair vs the Seasonic PSU?
I do not recommend the CX series for any high power builds. Seasonic honestly makes the best quality units at almost every price point.
The right cooler makes all the difference. You could really keep the i5 and put some aftermarket cooler on it. Those are some crazy temps, there are probably settings in the bios for processor fan speed control and target temperatures. Most of the time theyre set high so that the computer is quiet.
Its more quiet because heatsinks are more efficient when theyre red hot and the air around them is cold/room temp. Therefor they can run the fan slower.
Like i said, its probably a setting in the bios as these processors dont run that hot. My i7 2600k never got over 150F with the stock cooler at stock clocks with good ventilation. Now im running it overclocked to 4.8ghz with a closed loop liquid cooler and it never breaks 130F under full load.
I have already attempted everything. Latest BIOS Update - as well as reseating my Processor quite a few times with fresh Thermal Compound.
Definitely not new in the field - so you can be assured that I am in fact doing everything properly :P
But as for everything else, I just started my PC about 20 minutes ago and lightly web browsing I am sitting at 50-54C
This is with month old Thermal Compound and of which a reseat/cleaning of the cooler. The temps were identical to this every time I have redone all of that above.
So I am pretty sure mine is on it's way out. I mean it's 4 years old and has been abused by many 12+ hour days worth of intense gaming.
I just feel even after attempting everything with it - it would just be worth switching over for a more lightweight yet still durable processor.
I mean, if I didn't have the 2500K - the 8350 is still an excellent Processor and Tek Syndicate benchmarks it raw in unbiased/biased games against even some of the newer Intel Processors - and it does hold it's own majority of the time.
As for the statement 'The right cooler makes all the difference'.. I can't stop thinking of Half Life 2. "Mayeeks aoll the differeance" (Pronunciation at the beginning).
No, your processor is fine. Im certain its the motherboard controlling the cpu fan.
my i7 has practically been on 24/7 at 4.8ghz for the past couple years and its still fine.
Those processors dont get that hot. Check your bios again or just hook the cpu fan into a case fan plug thats controllable in the bios. Youll see that its not the processor.
Well with the same motherboard and updates and all it used to operate at a lower temp yet it started to do this one day and now it randomly will freeze up or blue screen when idling over night or anything. It just is acting funny and ever since those things started that's when it started to get hot. But that's without changing any normal routine
Huh, is your fan operating correctly? its possible that the PWM driver in the board is fried and the fan is just running at minimum speed.
The 8350 is a terrible processor because it relies on multithreaded optimisation to work. This is fine and dandy for synthetic benchmarks and properly optimised games that run fine on most modern processors, but it sputters and dies whenever it's facing a single-threaded workload. In an ideal world, it wouldn't make a difference, but reality makes AMD processors a terrible choice.
A lot of newly released games are properly optimised and multi-threaded, while not being too reliant on CPU. This means you won't notice a significant difference between running it on an i7, i5, AMD FX or intel pentium. Some newly released games and most older games aren't properly optimised, though. In these games, cheap intel i3's or even pentiums outperform the 8350, because the games need single-threaded performance which AMD's FX processors just don't have.
If you really need to switch processors, you'd be much better off getting a cheap haswell i5. It won't actually make a difference from the 2500k if it's not broken, though. The 8350 won't be any better outside of synthetic benchmarks either, i'd call it worse since you would barely be able to run games like skyrim on it.
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You should definitely switch to a better PSU like levelog suggested. The Seasonic PSU's are a lot better quality than the corsair modulars at the same price range, so i'd go with the one he linked. The only thing i've heard about Raidmax PSU's are terrible things, so i'd definitely switch that out even if you keep your current processor. Bad PSU's can damage components over short and long term.
If you're running the 2500k with stock cooling, that might be why it's becoming so hot, since my 2600k went around 80-90* with the stock cooling at full load. Ricky23 could also be right about the fan not working correctly for whatever reason.
But not to argue but if you watch any Benchmarks that Tea Syndicate does in real world and average benchmarks between real setups people have.. 8350 performs beautifully with Skyrim with mods and Enb added along with a 7970. I'm buying an R9 290 so I won't have an issue there. I just fear that a lot of people discredit AMD when realistically they perform great in multi threaded applications and even then when I'll be using single thread applications I realistically doubt I'd notice a difference.
As far as I've seen with Benchmarks against the 3770k etc on Crysis, far cry,skyrim and an unbiased game like Trine 2.. I can say it performs quite well and isn't dead like most believe. Plus the occasional rendering I do would benefit as well.
I appreciate all input but I'm just afraid that most people bash on AMD when they are better for price and performance. I mean realistically most games will be multi threaded now days and even as you said my GPU will make the major difference for most people these days with brand specific optimizations.
I appreciate all input here though. But when I get home from work and can type on my PC versus cell I'll even check the fan and throw on another cooler to check etc. But I just feel it's an issue with the processor directly. Wouldn't be the first time I've seen it either. My buddies lunch 2500k had instruction set failures and started to bleed out. He had a bricked CUP after a year.
I'll test and verify with my fans and all but one thing you cannot deny is that Technology will always be technology and that grants digital retardation. Lol
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I will not disagree with the truth behind older applications needing single threaded performance though. But even then I do appreciate the L2 and L3 cache allocations the 8350 does offer. But majority of old games I play are games I won't Notice any drop in performance. Purely because they don't take much effort either way. I don't play any far cry etc either. Next fancy game I plan on putting months into is The Witcher 3 and I'm damn sure that'll be multi threaded out the ass lol.
Dont throw another cooler on it, its the motherboard fan controller thats probably burnt out. The fan continues to run at low speeds but the PWM controller on the motherboard is toasted. The PWM controller is for controlling the speed of the fan through pulses of power. Without it, the fan runs at pretty much its lowest speed possible, just so that whatever is relying on it wont be too SOL.
Ahhhh I got you know. I'm on my phone and was on a break so didn't fully grasp that statement. Well at this rate if a controller on my motherboard is outed then that'd require a new motherboard correct? Primary reason I was considering an "upgrade" would be for the reasons above and I already got a free brand new jacked Asus Motherboard that is AM3+ Compatible so I assumed I could redeem the use of it anyways due to my current situations
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It's also a possibility too that my PSU may be getting faulty and starting to make things act weird. It randomly will give a black screen of death and error and cause me to hard reset. More so when I let it sit over night to download something big. But then again typically every morning when I first start to use it and turn it on within 15 minutes it will freeze for about 2 minutes and I have to sit and wait. But only when I first use it in the morning. Otherwise it's fine set aside the heat and what not
The pausing is probably from bad video drivers, along with the crashing overnight. Most likely its going into sleep mode then waking itself up instantly and crashing itself.
As for the MB, you could try plugging the cpu fan into a case fan plug, it doesnt matter if its 3 pins, the fourth is just for RPM back to the computer. From there you could try turning up the case fan in the bios
Sell the other motherboard and just buy a nice one that will work with your i5 as nothing is really going to stop an i5, especially if you got a good cooler with it and overclocked it to the moon.
600 watts is also more than enough. That is of course, if its on one, possibly 2 rails.
looked it up
So there are two rails. youre kinda right on the edge, but the 290 should be a 2x8pin connector. you should just be able to use a plug from each rail and be set.
Well my computer doesn't have sleep mode activated - when I need to do a download overnight I let it standby as it would doing any other task.
Excellent - because I am also going to be buying that Seasonic Evo 620W :)
[QUOTE=Biozilla;45820226]Well my computer doesn't have sleep mode activated - when I need to do a download overnight I let it standby as it would doing any other task.
Excellent - because I am also going to be buying that Seasonic Evo 620W :)[/QUOTE]
I was saying you could keep your old one. the only issue being that its offbrand, but it should work anyways.
Oh I definitely want this one either way - modular is the way to go. But as for everything else - I do need to get rid of the offbrand crap. This was a budget random build before to get by after college.
I love modular supplies. But definitely try plugging the cpu fan into a case fan and raising the speed of it with speedfan or through the bios
Alright - and I tested the fan control on the Motherboard BIOS and I can definitely hear and feel a increase manually on the fan when I crank it up. So other than that - I can still try a manual case fan adjustment, and if that still occurs.. would it be safe to assume it IS the processor as much as we hope it isn't?
[QUOTE=ricky23;45820407]I was saying you could keep your old one. the only issue being that its offbrand, but it should work anyways.[/QUOTE]
Raidmax hits that point between IED's and acceptable power supplies. Only thing I'd trust it in is daily task machines. And even then I'd rather put in a corsair CX for not much more
[QUOTE=Biozilla;45821174]Alright - and I tested the fan control on the Motherboard BIOS and I can definitely hear and feel a increase manually on the fan when I crank it up. So other than that - I can still try a manual case fan adjustment, and if that still occurs.. would it be safe to assume it IS the processor as much as we hope it isn't?[/QUOTE]
No, that means that the target temperature in the bios, which may be hardcoded, is set to 90 degrees which is too much for the processor, you could try leaving the fan on maximum and seeing if that keeps the temps down and improves stability
So to be fair here - what is it going to take to prove or for you to assume my processor may be faulty? Just based on the fact that nobody can seem to believe it as a feasible possibility. :P
But as for the Processor. It is still running same temperatures. New thermal paste. Set to max speed, added an extra fan directly towards it.
Nothing is improving the stability.
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As for target Temperature I even set to 40C within the Bios. Still hitting the same exact temperatures. With every Fan maxed. Even my GPU I maxed the fan - just for the extra breeze.
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Just baffles me, because I haven't changed any software in the BIOS to alter it's 'normal' original operating temperature. I even went above and beyond previous settings to alter it's performance and still showing negative results.
With BIOS Target Temp Altering - Max fan speeds set, additional fans and new thermal compound and a cleaned out Heatsink almost like brand new - no stains or anything for decreased conductivity, etc.
Just curious to what the next step would be. Because if it operated at a NORMAL Temperature before... then randomly just went boom boom and operates worse now, not sure what else can be done.
I dont know. Does the cpu fan really sound like its winding out? because they can get really loud and may only seem like its going fast.
its possible that the motherboard does PWM and voltage control and the voltage control works but the pwm doesnt or vice versa.
i just really really doubt that its bad. Intel does not make POS processors. Can you take pictures of the setup with the heatsink/fan and possibly take a picture with the heatsink off so i can see the thermal paste?
Also, do you have any idea what the air temp is inside of the case, because it could be heating up the whole thing and then not be able to cool.
Has it been overclocked much? Processors do degrade over time. This level is very unusual for such a recent processor, but technically it's possible depending on what's aging.
[QUOTE=Levelog;45822041]Has it been overclocked much? Processors do degrade over time. This level is very unusual for such a recent processor, but technically it's possible depending on what's aging.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking the same thing, but i thought as far as degradation goes, it just starts requiring more voltage to hit the same speeds. It might explain the crashing, but not really the overheating as no more voltage is being applied.
Not exactly. It does degrade the transistors, which can cause more heat to be expelled at the same voltages due to inefficiency.
Absolutely my fan is kicked in and winding - I know for sure. It's definitely kicking off some wind. q
After work today I will most definitely take a picture of the setup. Trust me, I don't wish the death upon my processor either way.
I just hope to get to the bottom of it - whatever it may be.
[QUOTE=Levelog;45822140]Not exactly. It does degrade the transistors, which can cause more heat to be expelled at the same voltages due to inefficiency.[/QUOTE]
It would be taking more current then. whats the wattage of the board and your processor
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