[quote]TUCSON, AZ (AP) - The man accused of carrying out a mass shooting in Tucson pleaded not guilty Monday to charges he tried to kill Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and two of her aides.
The plea by Jared Lee Loughner marked his second court appearance since he allegedly shot the congresswoman and 18 others at Giffords' meet-and-greet event on Jan. 8 outside a grocery store in Tucson. Six people died, including U.S. District Judge John Roll and a 9-year-old girl. Thirteen others were wounded.
Loughner, 22, faces federal charges of trying to assassinate Giffords and attempting to murder two of her aides. He will later face state charges dealing with other victims.
At least eight U.S. Marshals were present at the hearing in the Phoenix courthouse, where Loughner entered Monday afternoon smiling and wearing an orange prison suit and glasses. His hair, shaved in the mug shot that's become an enduring image of the tragedy, has grown out slightly.
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Un. Fucking. Believable.
He's going to be killed in prison. It doesn't matter how long he's in. He killed a kid, and inmates won't have that shit.
[QUOTE=RebeccaChambers;27639220]Un. Fucking. Believable.[/QUOTE]
"Not Guilty" doesn't mean "I didn't do it"
it means "I am not guilty of what I have been charged with"
I think the general consensus is that you always plead not guilty, I heard that pleading guilty is not nearly as simple as pleading not guilty.
Didn't he not plead anything, so the Judge entered a plea of not guilty for him?
[QUOTE=Aw_Hell;27639312]I think the general consensus is that you always plead not guilty, I heard that pleading guilty is not nearly as simple as pleading not guilty.[/QUOTE]
If you plead guilty you give yourself no chance to lessen the charges.
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[QUOTE=DualReaver;27639331]Didn't he not plead anything, so the Judge entered not guilty for him?[/QUOTE]
If someone isn't mentally capable of entering a plea they'll default to not guilty
thereugo, i just found it odd that the article neglected to mention that
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;27639277]He's going to be killed in prison. It doesn't matter how long he's in. He killed a kid, and inmates won't have that shit.[/QUOTE]
And with good reason
-snip- nevermind
Okay I didn't think about the insanity defense. I posted in half a second realized it and snipped.
He's pleading "not guilty" by reason of insanity.
The guy thinks he's so epic with his attempted creepy smile, it just makes him out to be more of an idiot.
[QUOTE=RBM11;27639377]So if the crime is murder and he pleads not guilty which means, according to you, that "[He's] not guilty of what [he has] been charged with" then by the transitive property means that he says he didn't do it. [/QUOTE]
Nope, no snip for you.
He isn't guilty because he's insane. If you're insane you can't be guilty because there is no way to ascertain whether or not your intent was to commit the crime.
I hope he gets sentenced to a mental health facility; where he belongs.
He intended to kill those people. Mentally unstable or otherwise. That doesn't change anything.
[QUOTE=RebeccaChambers;27639497]He intended to kill those people.[/QUOTE]
Prove it
Another psycho with 3 names.
-snip-, I'll let zeke answer that.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27639416]Nope, no snip for you.
He isn't guilty because he's insane. If you're insane you can't be guilty because there is no way to ascertain whether or not your intent was to commit the crime.[/QUOTE]
Actually I snipped it because I forgot about the insanity defense and I wasn't thinking.
[QUOTE=RBM11;27639534]Actually I snipped it because I forgot about the insanity defense and I wasn't thinking.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27639416]Nope, no snip for you.
He isn't guilty because he's insane. If you're insane you can't be guilty because there is no way to ascertain whether or not your intent was to commit the crime.[/QUOTE]
Your intent can be to commit the crime even when pleading insanity, but your faculty for understanding the repercussions of the crime may be lessened - by a whole damn lot.
Following your logic, I can kill a bunch of people and then say "but I'm crazy" and then act all crazy to "prove" it.
[QUOTE=RebeccaChambers;27639563]Following your logic, I can kill a bunch of people and then say "but I'm crazy" and then act all crazy to "prove" it.[/QUOTE]
Do you have any idea how hard it is to fool a psychologist
It's pretty much impossible.
[QUOTE=DAS-QPYN;27639520]Another psycho with 3 names.[/QUOTE]
I have three names shit
[QUOTE=wraithcat;27639555]Your intent can be to commit the crime even when pleading insanity, but your faculty for understanding the repercussions of the crime may be lessened - by a whole damn lot.[/QUOTE]
If your understanding of the repercussions aren't correct then your intent was, in your mind, for something else - is it not? Murder is taking someone's life but if you don't understand that you're ending the person's life you can't really be called a murderer. (Hypothetical)
If you were in medieval Europe and you stabbed your family to death you could plead not guilty on account of possession by witches, and the friendly neighborhood hag would die. If you are not in possession of all of your wits and do something caused by something that you can't control (i.e. mental disorder, not drugs or alcohol) you get a lesser charge.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27639575]Do you have any idea how hard it is to fool a psychologist
It's pretty much impossible.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to be a psychologist.
[QUOTE=Blanketspace;27639595]If you were in medieval Europe and you stabbed your family to death you could plead not guilty on account of possession by witches, and the friendly neighborhood hag would die. If you are not in possession of all of your wits and do something caused by something that you can't control (i.e. mental disorder, not drugs or alcohol) you get a lesser charge.[/QUOTE]
What did the witches thing have to do with anything
[editline]24th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=RebeccaChambers;27639614]I am a psychologist.[/QUOTE]
Obviously a really terrible one.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27639518]Prove it[/QUOTE]
...who opens fire on a crowd without knowing people will die?
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;27639688]...who opens fire on a crowd without knowing people will die?[/QUOTE]
I can't speak to his mental state but everything that is known about him points to schizophrenia, depending how bad his case was it's possible that he had no idea he was even firing a weapon. Or he could have thought that it was WW2 again and he was shooting Nazis. Or it was the future and he was shooting aliens. Or he was in 'nam. Who knows
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27639720]I can't speak to his mental state but everything that is known about him points to schizophrenia, depending how bad his case was it's possible that he had no idea he was even firing a weapon.[/QUOTE]
Just accept it, he's a fucking psychopath.
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