Via Executive Order, Trump pushes insurance that doesn’t cover pre-existing conditions - Polidicks

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-pushes-insurance-doesn-t-cover-pre-existing-conditions-n849611[/url] [quote]WASHINGTON — [B]The Trump administration announced Tuesday that it is moving to expand the use of low-budget temporary insurance, which could offer customers a cut-rate alternative to plans on the Affordable Care Act's exchange, but undermine more comprehensive insurance for others[/B]. The proposed rule, which stems from an [B]executive order by President Donald Trump[/B], would allow people to buy short-term plans for up to a year instead of just the three months previously allowed. Unlike the ACA's plans, they are [B]not required to cover pre-existing conditions, cover specific treatments, or provide unlimited benefits[/B]. The plans are normally supposed to cover a brief lapse in coverage, but the order makes it easier to rely on them as primary insurance. Health experts say they're likely to be cheaper, but they [B]could raise premiums for patients who need comprehensive plans through Obamacare by siphoning away young and healthy customers into a separate market[/B]. The administration predicts 100,000 to 200,000 individuals are likely to purchase short-term insurance coverage. Administration officials say the goal is to provide cheaper options for Americans who can't find an affordable plan through Obamacare. The law's subsidies rise to match changes in premiums for people making below 400 percent of the federal poverty line, but for middle class customers who make too much money to qualify for aid, rising premiums have become an increasing barrier to access. "For the millions of Americans who now find themselves priced out of the individual market, this proposal provides a new option for affordable coverage," CMS Administrator Seema Verma told reporters in a call on Tuesday. But [B]health care advocates critical of the change argue the administration's actions are deliberately driving up costs for Obamacare customers, many of whom can't get by with cheap plans that may not cover a chronic illness or unexpected medical emergency[/B].[/quote] "If you aren't born rich and healthy, you don't deserve to be. Enjoy your lifelong medical debt! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

Imagine being so shamelessly transparent in not caring for the poor and middle class enough to even go all in and provide proper insurance It's better than nothing but it almost seems insulting in a way regardless

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;53159267]Imagine being so shamelessly transparent in not caring for the poor and middle class enough to even go all in and provide proper insurance It's better than nothing but it almost seems insulting in a way regardless[/QUOTE] This is not "better than nothing." This is a major step backwards that makes healthcare completely unaffordable and inaccessible for people like me -- with health conditions and birth defects through no fault of our own. If I lose my coverage for pre-existing conditions, any trip to the hospital for damn near any reason could saddle me with a mountain of medical debt for the rest of my life. Medical debt is already the leading cause of the bankruptcy in the United States by a wide margin, and this is going to dramatically exacerbate that issue. Trump's regime is actively and intentionally sabotaging our medical system for the sake of profits. People will die, and lives will be ruined, because of their Machiavellian bullshit. The ACA was "better than nothing." It was a bandaid solution that still had major flaws and failed to address the root causes of the rapidly inflating costs of medical care. But, it expanded access and affordability of healthcare to more than 20,000,000 additional people who were previously ineligible or unable to afford even basic health insurance plans. [I]That[/I] was better than nothing. What Trump's regime is doing is taking us [I]back[/I] to "Nothing." Worse yet, I guarantee you that the inflation of healthcare costs and reduction in efficacy of insurance plans will not reverse itself as a result of this. Insurance companies will gut their coverage, but [B]not[/B] reduce their premiums and deductibles for those with these new plans. Instead, they'll simply raise the premiums and deductible of plans for people who do have pre-existing conditions through the fuckin' roof. This not only offers zero [I]benefit[/I] to the consumers, it's actively harmful. The only people walking away from this Executive Order with a smile are the insurance companies, and the politicians they funnel obscene amounts of money to through their lobbyists.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53159277]This is not "better than nothing." This is a major step backwards that makes healthcare completely unaffordable and inaccessible for people like me -- with health conditions and birth defects through no fault of our own. If I lose my coverage for pre-existing conditions, any trip to the hospital for damn near any reason could saddle me with a mountain of medical debt for the rest of my life. Medical debt is already the leading cause of the bankruptcy in the United States by a wide margin, and this is going to dramatically exacerbate that issue. Trump's regime is actively and intentionally sabotaging our medical system for the sake of profits. People will die, and lives will be ruined, because of their Machiavellian bullshit.[/QUOTE] In fairness, when I meant better than nothing, it was more like "at least he didn't go completely all in and outright say no insurance", because he's made cruel statements of a similar manner before. I'm also aware of all those points you mentioned, by the way. That's why it felt insulting to me that he did what he did, almost like this poor insurance is a deliberate slap in the face of the American Public who were better off under Obamacare, flawed as it was.

Why are they trying to fuck up the country so much? Think it's about recession time and they want to mess up the consumer protections to prevent another 2008, they want to fuck up insurance to pre ACA levels. It's like they're trying to return to the scenario that got Obama elected.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;53159290]In fairness, when I meant better than nothing, it was more like "at least he didn't go completely all in and outright say no insurance", because he's made cruel statements of a similar manner before. I'm also aware of all those points you mentioned, by the way. That's why it felt insulting to me that he did what he did, almost like this poor insurance is a deliberate slap in the face of the American Public who were better off under Obamacare, flawed as it was.[/QUOTE] Not much of a condolence, sort of like saying "well he may have unethically/illegally tried to obtain identifying information on all the people who didn't vote for him but at least he didn't have them all assassinated"

[QUOTE=TheBorealis;53159298]Why are they trying to fuck up the country so much? Think it's about recession time and they want to mess up the consumer protections to prevent another 2008, they want to fuck up insurance to pre ACA levels. It's like they're trying to return to the scenario that got Obama elected.[/QUOTE] Because if we're too busy putting out fires to pay attention to the world, Russia has the opportunity they need to make moves we're not capable of stopping due to the need to solve various crises to get our house in order. Simply put, there comes a point where if the country is in unprecedented chaos that we stop being able to effectively provide military aid -- or really assistance of any kind -- to other countries. It is in that moment of weakness that Russia becomes strong, positioning themselves as the 'useful ally you won't get from the United States of this year' as they creep around the boundaries of their territory, doing their best to gobble things up before things come back to order. For additional reading on why this is possibly the actual strategy being deployed here, and for some cold sweat moments as you read through the description of this book and the strategies it advocates mirroring events presently occurring, please [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics]click here[/url]. If you don't have the time to give it a good read, here's the bits you're probably most interested in. [img]https://imgur.com/1LNsme0.png[/img] [img]https://imgur.com/wYwvExy.png[/img] Edit: For those wondering about the above being 'easy to predict now, given what we know', this book was written in [I]1997[/I] and is included in coursework in the Russian Academy of General Staff. You can think of the Russian Academy of General Staff as 'West Point for Russians' - even though that's not the [I]most[/I] apt of comparisons.

[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53159303]Because if we're busy putting out fires to pay attention to the world, Russia has the opportunity they need to make moves we're not capable of stopping due to the need to solve various crises to get our house in order. Simply put, there comes a point where if the country is in unprecedented chaos that we stop being able to effectively provide military aid -- or really assistance of any kind -- to other countries. It is in that moment of weakness that Russia becomes strong, positioning themselves as the 'useful ally you won't get from the United States of this year' as they creep around the boundaries of their territory, doing their best to gobble things up before things come back to order. For additional reading on why this is possibly the actual strategy being deployed here, and for some cold sweat moments as you read through the description of this book and the strategies it advocates mirroring events presently occurring, please [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics]click here[/url].[/QUOTE] :wow: Seems like the book underestimates just how powerful china is, hope that throws a wrench in the works. Also if they're just copying the strategy from a book, shouldn't the cia or something do their best to combat the strategy? Also I hope this doesn't count as a reaction image, but this music fits the actions of russia the last few years [video=youtube;AEQvHCEHKH0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEQvHCEHKH0[/video]

[QUOTE=TheBorealis;53159321]:wow: Seems like the book underestimates just how powerful china is, hope that throws a wrench in the works. Also if they're just copying the strategy from a book, shouldn't the cia or something do their best to combat the strategy? Also I hope this doesn't count as a reaction image, but this music fits the actions of russia the last few years[/quote] China was a different country 30 years ago - and I don't mean that as an exaggeration. It really was in a very different place politically, economically, technologically, and militarily. They're not copying the strategy - but they are making decisions informed by it, supplemented by an ex-KGB spymaster's insight/thoughts on how best to destabilize our country. The CIA is not the President. It the President is not directing them to investigate or curtail these efforts, which he is not, then there's little they can officially do.

[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53159332]China was a different country 30 years ago - and I don't mean that as an exaggeration. It really was in a very different place politically, economically, technologically, and militarily. They're not copying the strategy - but they are making decisions informed by it, supplemented by an ex-KGB spymaster's insight/thoughts on how best to destabilize our country. The CIA is not the President. It the President is not directing them to investigate or curtail these efforts, which he is not, then there's little they can officially do.[/QUOTE] The CIA isn't sort of independent? Guess that adds another level of fucked up with trump as president. Also russia may have long term fucked up the US by having bots to help the insanity of trump followers on t_d and such, fuck putin.

[QUOTE=TheBorealis;53159342]The CIA isn't sort of independent? Guess that adds another level of fucked up with trump as president. Also russia may have long term fucked up the US by having bots to help the insanity of trump followers on t_d and such, fuck putin.[/QUOTE] They're supposed to be, yes. However, they've given multiple reports (along with the rest of the intelligence community) to Trump that America is under attack and Trump has simply indicated that he doesn't care what they have to say because he believes Putin, who says he's not attacking or attempting ot destabilize America despite all evidence showing him to be. Given that, I can imagine the CIA is a little nervous about doing anything about it because they're not sure how such a President would react - especially since he's already shown that he doesn't care about their opinions. He doesn't even read his briefings for crying out loud. If both the Congress and the President aren't directing them to resolve these attacks or investigate them more than they've already done and reported on, there's not much they can do besides going beyond what they're authorized to independently do to try and keep America secure anyway. They're mainly an information gathering and obfuscating organization - they're about intel, not attacks/reforms. If you want military or political action on nearly anything domestic, you're talking to other parts of Government. They've done about all they can, which is repeatedly and loudly present reports demonstrating the facts as they've discovered them to a President who doesn't care what it is 'they think they know'.

[QUOTE=TheBorealis;53159342]The CIA isn't sort of independent?[/QUOTE] All of the Executive Branch intelligence agencies have their budgets dictated by Congress, and must seek Congressional approval for covert activities. The extent of the President's control over those agencies is through the ability to appoint and fire their leadership. They're not independent, but they don't neatly fall under any particular political office, either.

Fuck Trump and anyone who voted for him tbqh. Republicans/Conservatives are a malignant cancer on America

Just by reading about what goes on in America makes me ill. It's a great country ruined by greedy fucks who has stayed long beyond their expiration point. All due to clueless, gullible retards who doesn't care about anything other than those damned [i]libtards[/i].

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53159277]This is not "better than nothing." This is a major step backwards that makes healthcare completely unaffordable and inaccessible for people like me -- with health conditions and birth defects through no fault of our own. If I lose my coverage for pre-existing conditions, any trip to the hospital for damn near any reason could saddle me with a mountain of medical debt for the rest of my life. Medical debt is already the leading cause of the bankruptcy in the United States by a wide margin, and this is going to dramatically exacerbate that issue. Trump's regime is actively and intentionally sabotaging our medical system for the sake of profits. People will die, and lives will be ruined, because of their Machiavellian bullshit. The ACA was "better than nothing." It was a bandaid solution that still had major flaws and failed to address the root causes of the rapidly inflating costs of medical care. But, it expanded access and affordability of healthcare to more than 20,000,000 additional people who were previously ineligible or unable to afford even basic health insurance plans. [I]That[/I] was better than nothing. What Trump's regime is doing is taking us [I]back[/I] to "Nothing." Worse yet, I guarantee you that the inflation of healthcare costs and reduction in efficacy of insurance plans will not reverse itself as a result of this. Insurance companies will gut their coverage, but [B]not[/B] reduce their premiums and deductibles for those with these new plans. Instead, they'll simply raise the premiums and deductible of plans for people who do have pre-existing conditions through the fuckin' roof. This not only offers zero [I]benefit[/I] to the consumers, it's actively harmful. The only people walking away from this Executive Order with a smile are the insurance companies, and the politicians they funnel obscene amounts of money to through their lobbyists.[/QUOTE] Wow stop being so emotional about this jeez, making fun of trump is like, so 2017....... ugh

[QUOTE=EskillV2;53159495]Just by reading about what goes on in America makes me ill. It's a great country ruined by greedy fucks who has stayed long beyond their expiration point. All due to clueless, gullible retards who doesn't care about anything other than those damned [i]libtards[/i].[/QUOTE] On the bright side, this is why we have term limits.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;53159612]Wow stop being so emotional about this jeez, making fun of trump is like, so 2017....... ugh[/QUOTE] I really hope you're joking.

[QUOTE=IKTM;53159846]I really hope you're joking.[/QUOTE] pretty certain it's sarcasm :v:

I'm losing my insurance soon and have several pre-existing conditions that will make finding more with all the treatment and medication I need quite difficult. My 26th birthday is tomorrow, the 26th, as a present, on the 27th, I am having an MRI and a CT done, the last major thing my current insurance is paying for, even after they pay I am going to be out for $3,000. So that's nice. Fuck everything about Republican politics. If it were up to them, I'd be dead, and none of them would give a shit.

This is war on the working class with Donald Trump's signature right on it. This will kill tax paying, American citizens.

[QUOTE=Quark:;53159895]This is war on the working class with Donald Trump's signature right on it. This will kill tax paying, American citizens.[/QUOTE] And come the next election they'll turn out in droves to vote republican.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;53159267]Imagine being so shamelessly transparent in not caring for the poor and middle class enough to even go all in and provide proper insurance It's better than nothing but it almost seems insulting in a way regardless[/QUOTE] but people can [i]afford[/i] their premiums now! just as long as they don't intend to use their insurance.

[QUOTE=Quark:;53159895]This is war on the working class with Donald Trump's signature right on it. This will kill tax paying, American citizens.[/QUOTE] And they'll clap and cheer every step of the way.