White Hat Hackers Would Have Their Devices Destroyed Under the TPP - Polidicks

[b]White Hat Hackers Would Have Their Devices Destroyed Under the TPP[/b] Via [url=http://motherboard.vice.com/read/white-hat-hackers-would-have-their-devices-destroyed-under-the-tpp]Motherboard (Vice)[/url] ____________________ [quote]Car hackers, farmers fixing their high-tech tractors, and teenage DVD rippers; all over the world, these digital tinkerers could have their devices seized and destroyed by the authorities thanks to provisions in the newly-minted Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal. The finalized copyright chapter of the TPP, leaked on Friday by Wikileaks, reveals that under the agreement, “judicial authorities shall, at least, have the authority to [...] order the destruction of devices and products found to be involved in" any activity that circumvents controls that manufacturers build into their software or devices, known as Digital Rights Management (DRM) technology. “As a result,” Jeremy Malcolm, senior global policy analyst for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, wrote me in an email, “those who are tinkering with their own legally-purchased digital products will be at risk not only of financial penalties, but also having their equipment seized and perhaps destroyed.” This means that if you use your laptop to rip a DVD movie, your computer could be seized or even destroyed by authorities, Vivek Krishnamurthy, a cyberlaw instructor at the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard, told me over the phone. Even more importantly, he said, security researchers—experts who hack cars and other consumer goods to make sure hardware and software is secure—could be prevented from doing their jobs.[/quote] Not really surprised... [i]of course[/i] spying would be a top priority for the governments backing TPP...

TPP as a concept is completely fucking idiotic.

I wonder if people would voluntarily accept those confiscations/destructions or they would really retaliate....

But it's a really great trade deal that will make everyone a lot of money so it's a very good idea!!!!!!

My favorite feature of the US (and most modern democracies too I think), tacking bad shit onto good ideas.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48887370]But it's a really great trade deal that will make everyone a lot of money so it's a very good idea!!!!!![/QUOTE] of course it's a good idea, it's one of the largest international trade treaties yet, eliminating over 95% tariffs and seeking to further regulate existing trade and commerce. one of the good things it does is reduce overfishing by reducing the subsidies that fishing fleets get, promotes the right of trade unions to assemble and strike in vietnam, works to limit human trafficking in malaysia, us corporations don't get as much as they originally asked for, it places restrictions on trading in endangered animals/plants, while subsidies/protections for agriculture are finally starting to be dropped opening up formerly restricted markets (like japan)

Do the parties included with this deal even consider the repercussions of this? Why is this slowly starting to sound like some Shadowrun corporation shit?

To be honest the most worring thing is why there are no relevant demonstration like what hapened with SOPA and that other one that i don't remember right now; and this one is even worse since it take a good chunk of relevant countries...

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48887427]of course it's a good idea, it's one of the largest international trade treaties yet, eliminating over 95% tariffs and seeking to further regulate existing trade and commerce. one of the good things it does is reduce overfishing by reducing the subsidies that fishing fleets get, promotes the right of trade unions to assemble and strike in vietnam, works to limit human trafficking in malaysia, us corporations don't get as much as they originally asked for, it places restrictions on trading in endangered animals/plants, while subsidies/protections for agriculture are finally starting to be dropped opening up formerly restricted markets (like japan)[/QUOTE] And what does any of that have to do with the shit in the OP? Yes, these are great things, but the nonsense that's going on on the side has nothing to do with it and has no right to be in, and the entire thing should fucking tank over it, because it's not acceptable. If ecological change and social security for workers can't be passed without severe hindrance of personal liberties then fuck that shit, something has to change systemically.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48887427]of course it's a good idea, it's one of the largest international trade treaties yet, eliminating over 95% tariffs and seeking to further regulate existing trade and commerce. one of the good things it does is reduce overfishing by reducing the subsidies that fishing fleets get, promotes the right of trade unions to assemble and strike in vietnam, works to limit human trafficking in malaysia, us corporations don't get as much as they originally asked for, it places restrictions on trading in endangered animals/plants, while subsidies/protections for agriculture are finally starting to be dropped opening up formerly restricted markets (like japan)[/QUOTE] You're shameless aren't you? Those are not worth losing freedoms. Do you want the government to be stepping in performing barely legal civil forfeitures?

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;48887445]Do the parties included with this deal even consider the repercussions of this? Why is this slowly starting to sound like some Shadowrun corporation shit?[/QUOTE] They give it a very brief consideration and then the money pouring out of their pockets distract them.

[QUOTE=LittleBabyman;48887296]TPP as a concept is completely fucking idiotic.[/QUOTE]idiotic? more like devious - whoever came up with this crap with their power-hungry friends knows exactly what they're doing

Can't wait for the first generation of Shadowrunners to pop up.

All the more reason to spread all your rips onto the Internet to preserve them.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48887521]You're shameless aren't you? Those are not worth losing freedoms. Do you want the government to be stepping in performing barely legal civil forfeitures?[/QUOTE] i'm pretty sure the tpp isn't going to be restricting freedoms on the level that anybody here is making it out to be people are going on about how bad it is when there are trade treaties which are effectively the same as TPP that have been introduced over the past decade without anyone noticing them

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48887427]of course it's a good idea, it's one of the largest international trade treaties yet, eliminating over 95% tariffs and seeking to further regulate existing trade and commerce. one of the good things it does is reduce overfishing by reducing the subsidies that fishing fleets get, promotes the right of trade unions to assemble and strike in vietnam, works to limit human trafficking in malaysia, us corporations don't get as much as they originally asked for, it places restrictions on trading in endangered animals/plants, while subsidies/protections for agriculture are finally starting to be dropped opening up formerly restricted markets (like japan)[/QUOTE] That'd be fine and dandy if they wouldn't add all the extra shit with it. This is why people hate bundlers, because they only want a few of the things in the bill but they end up getting a lot of extra bullshit.

Ah yes, remove the ability to repair certain components so customers are forced to pay a Specially Trained and Licensed Professional™ do it. Some companies are already trying to make Farmers do this, but I guess that was the first step, and this is the final goal.

i guess one cool thing about going down the cyberpunk worldline is that we get all the neat gadgets and gizmos

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;48887326]I wonder if people would voluntarily accept those confiscations/destructions or they would really retaliate....[/QUOTE] That's how you turn them into black hat hackers.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48887662]i guess one cool thing about going down the cyberpunk worldline is that we get all the neat gadgets and gizmos[/QUOTE] More like we are going down the cyberpunk road without all the cool shit. We ain't getting jack shit in cool tech, we are only going to get all the shit aspects of cyberpunk.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48887637]people are going on about how bad it is when there are trade treaties which are effectively the same as TPP that have been introduced over the past decade without anyone noticing them[/QUOTE]just because haven't noticed something before doesn't mean it's good and acceptable, or that we should let it slide now

[QUOTE=LittleBabyman;48887296]TPP as a concept is completely fucking idiotic.[/QUOTE] it started as a good idea, lower trade duties between south american countries and east asian countries who were about on level playing fields, then things went very wrong if it fails, it should be a textbook lesson (assuming said textbooks are not illegal to open under copyright law!) that keeping the public's interest out of the discussion, or at the very least keeping the interest groups who represent the vested interests of the public at large, out of the discussions will not work unfortunatly this will pass in the US because there's no clear block in congress that opposes it

[QUOTE=Jordax;48887683]More like we are going down the cyberpunk road without all the cool shit. We ain't getting jack shit in cool tech, we are only going to get all the shit aspects of cyberpunk.[/QUOTE] the really cyberpunky tech is coming, there's a lot of really neat and world changing emerging technologies currently being worked on. you'll just most likely have to let tech companies know everything about you and your life instead of just your internet habits

has this been passed/voted on yet or is it one of those horrible bullshit bills that we don't have any say in

[QUOTE=Joazzz;48887685]just because haven't noticed something before doesn't mean it's good and acceptable, or that we should let it slide now[/QUOTE] the point is that the existing treaties haven't seemingly resulted in the destruction of civil liberties as predicted. in about five years time everybody will have forgotten this and won't care about it anymore, especially when people probably aren't going to be bothered reading the TPP when it comes out in about two or three weeks

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48887733]the point is that the existing treaties haven't seemingly resulted in the destruction of civil liberties as predicted. in about five years time everybody will have forgotten this and won't care about it anymore, especially when people probably aren't going to be bothered reading the TPP when it comes out in about two or three weeks[/QUOTE] Five years, that is also the amount of time that the public has to wait to actually know what was all in the TPP agreements if they go through. Doesn't that sounds the tiniest bit of suspicious to you?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48887733]in about five years time everybody will have forgotten this and won't care about it anymore[/QUOTE] the only thing I can expect to happen is people to make a hashtag on twitter complaining without even knowing what it is for a day and nothing happens after that

imo if this gets passed, I can see a lot of the bad shit being some type of thing that the police can do, but won't really ever enforce it, like jaywalking.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48887733]the point is that the existing treaties haven't seemingly resulted in the destruction of civil liberties as predicted. in about five years time everybody will have forgotten this and won't care about it anymore, especially when people probably aren't going to be bothered reading the TPP when it comes out in about two or three weeks[/QUOTE] "This treaty will do all these really great sweeping changes!" "No, no negative effects, nobody will remember this treaty happened at all." No bias anywhere, no. What a fucking joke.

[QUOTE=Jordax;48887753]Five years, that is also the amount of time that the public has to wait to actually know what was all in the TPP agreements if they go through. Doesn't that sounds the tiniest bit of suspicious to you?[/QUOTE] Last I heard, the full text of the TPP is going to be out sometime late this month or in November.