[QUOTE]Detective Garda Donohoe, who was married with two children, was fired on by raiders outside a credit union in Bellurgan, Jenkinstown, Co Louth at around 9.30pm last night.The 41-year-old was originally from Kilnaleck in Co Cavan, but was stationed at Dundalk Garda Station.
Specialists from the Garda Forensic and Technical Bureau are examining the scene at the Lordship Credit Union.
The credit union stays open late on Friday nights and Detective Garda Donohoe and Detective Garda Joe Ryan were on escort duty.
It is believed four armed men were waiting in the car park outside to rob the credit union.
They moved to hold up staff at gunpoint as they were leaving to deposit money in Dundalk.
The two gardaí got out of their car, but as Det Garda Donohoe approached he was shot in the head without warning and had not drawn his garda-issue weapon.
Det Garda Ryan has been traumatised, but is otherwise unhurt.
The raiders then fled the scene in what is believed to have been a dark-coloured car.[/QUOTE]
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Source: [url]http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0126/364604-garda-adrian-donohoe/[/url]
Generally news of a police officer dying in the line of duty wouldn't be very shocking news, but here in Ireland it's highly irregular and shocking for a Garda to be shot. Up until 1990 killing a Garda or member of the army was a death sentence. Nobody knows who the robbers were yet, they could be gang related or dissidents.
Can someone please explain to us non-Irish what exactly a "garda" is?
[QUOTE=Stopper;39365630]Can someone please explain to us non-Irish what exactly a "garda" is?[/QUOTE]
It's a member of the Irish police force
[QUOTE=Stopper;39365630]Can someone please explain to us non-Irish what exactly a "garda" is?[/QUOTE]
Garda is part of the name of the Ireland Police Force. In full, it is Garda Síochána na hÉireann, or Guardians of the Peace of Ireland.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39365630]Can someone please explain to us non-Irish what exactly a "garda" is?[/QUOTE]
Basically an Irish cop.
When I first came here it really amused me that people called the police "Guards".
It seems really odd, I'm used to hearing about Northern Irish Police being wounded or killed, but never any in the ROI.
I love Ireland's native language.
Scares the shit out of me, but I love it.
It doesn't seem irrational for unlawful persons to execute anybody that holds a weapon or has the potential to put their own lives in endangerment.
If someone felt it was safer to kill you, they more than likely could and would before you can do anything about it to defend yourself.
This article mentions the dead officer having a 'garda-issue weapon'. What was the situation between the other officer and robbers? Didn't he have a weapon too, assuming it is one that could have helped overthrow the perpetrators?
Pretty sure he was too shocked to react before they fled.
[QUOTE=Daemon;39366000]It doesn't seem irrational for unlawful persons to execute anybody that holds a weapon or has the potential to put their own lives in endangerment.
If someone felt it was safer to kill you, they more than likely could and would before you can do anything about it to defend yourself.
This article mentions the dead officer having a 'garda-issue weapon'. What was the situation between the other officer and robbers? Didn't he have a weapon too, assuming it is one that could have helped overthrow the perpetrators?[/QUOTE]
The raiders probably didn't even know he had a weapon as Garda in Ireland are unarmed, either way there was four of them and they possibly were all armed so they wouldn't have had to worry even if the Garda were armed.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;39366272]The raiders probably didn't even know he had a weapon as Garda in Ireland are unarmed, either way there was four of them and they possibly were all armed so they wouldn't have had to worry even if the Garda were armed.[/QUOTE]
The article portrays this in quite the contrary way to what you are saying. I would like to know what weapon he supposedly had in hand at the time and if it was any relevence to the situation whether he drew it or not.
I guess when i say those that have the potential to put a robbers life in danger, could be anyone involved in the engagement, even on the suspicion of being free of arms but hadn't been searched before hand. Criminals have no basis to believe that someone won't open fire, regardless of how many people in the robbery are armed.
[QUOTE=Daemon;39366484]The article portrays this in quite the contrary way to what you are saying. I would like to know what weapon he supposedly had in hand at the time and if it was any relevence to the situation whether he drew it or not.[/QUOTE]
Generally detectives are armed with a pistol, a glock 9mm I think. He was armed but he approached the raiders under the impression that he could diffuse the situation or talk them into surrendering. Those that shot him clearly weren't run of the mill criminals.
[QUOTE=Daemon;39366484]The article portrays this in quite the contrary way to what you are saying. I would like to know what weapon he supposedly had in hand at the time and if it was any relevence to the situation whether he drew it or not.
I guess when i say those that have the potential to put a robbers life in danger, could be anyone involved in the engagement, even on the suspicion of being free of arms but hadn't been searched before hand. Criminals have no basis to believe that someone won't open fire, regardless of how many people in the robbery are armed.[/QUOTE]
The two gardaí got out of their car, but as Det Garda Donohoe approached he was shot in the head without warning and [B]had not drawn his garda-issue weapon.[/B]
They didnt know he had a gun as this statement shows. Its unlikely they thought he was armed, the reason he was shot because they were scumbags and wanted to shoot him.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;39369924]The two gardaí got out of their car, but as Det Garda Donohoe approached he was shot in the head without warning and [B]had not drawn his garda-issue weapon.[/B]
They didnt know he had a gun as this statement shows. Its unlikely they thought he was armed, the reason he was shot because they were scumbags and wanted to shoot him.[/QUOTE]
The last line i was referring to your scenario of the robbers not needing to worry if somebody had a gun as he was outnumbered. Well like i was kind of saying, criminals don't really have a basis to believe that someone isn't a threat to their plan or lives, especially when a confrontation is involved and especially when being highlighted as an officer of the law. The fact that he did have a weapon seems to possess a question to whether they can be armed and maybe likely enough reason to kill the officer. Why didn't he not kill anyone else? A lot about this topic can be built around speculation but i digress, you are right. Anybody who shoots someone is a scumbag and they most definately want to shoot them (for whatever reason).
the guards are gonna be piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissed. No goin drinkin in the local for at least an hour or two.
[QUOTE=Gunkel94;39365642]It's a member of the Irish police force[/QUOTE]
Service.
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