Mother who planned to take her kids to Syria sentenced to five years and four months - Polidicks

[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-35264615[/url] [QUOTE]A mother who tried to abduct her two children to live in Syria under control of the so-called Islamic State has been jailed for five years and four months. The 34-year-old woman from Bradford, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was stopped by the Turkish authorities last October. She had flown to Istanbul with the intention of travelling to Raqqa. At a previous hearing at Leeds Crown Court, she pleaded guilty to two counts of abducting children under 16.[/QUOTE]

Kinda a light sentence, huh?

Wonder what they did with the kids.

[quote]Joanne Shepherd, defending, said the woman did not intend to cause any harm to her children.[/quote] lmao. Let's trade their good first world life away so they can be indoctrinated and live in a warzone. [QUOTE=Maksie99;49488278]Wonder what they did with the kids.[/QUOTE] She had a hubby that she lied to by saying they were going to a birthday party, according to the article. so they're probably with him

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49487942]Kinda a light sentence, huh?[/QUOTE] Five years is a long ass time to be sat in a cell. Besides, she didn't manage to cause any lasting harm as she was stopped before leaving, imprisoning her for an extended period of time wont do much but take up a prison cell. Five years should be enough time for her to think about what she just tried to do and for someone to try and convince her it was a dumb idea.

I'd even argue that 5 years is too much, because that is a long-ass time. Though, of course, she might not even end up serving the whole thing.

Defecting to the Islamic State is treason and should be treated as such. 5 years is a slap on the wrist for abducting children and treason.

Personally I couldn't imagine spending 1825 days straight in a fucking jail cell, it's well enough time especially in the context of this case, as convoluted as her thought process is.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;49488408]I'd even argue that 5 years is too much, because that is a long-ass time. Though, of course, she might not even end up serving the whole thing.[/QUOTE] Potentially changing the lives of two children and attempting to force them to live under the Islamic State is pretty severe when you think about it. Light sentence, I'd say.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49488386]Five years is a long ass time to be sat in a cell. Besides, she didn't manage to cause any lasting harm as she was stopped before leaving, imprisoning her for an extended period of time wont do much but take up a prison cell. Five years should be enough time for her to think about what she just tried to do and for someone to try and convince her it was a dumb idea.[/QUOTE] Five years in jail is nothing. Maybe five years in solitary is something, but that won't happen. And won't fix this.

Hopefully ISIS won't exist in 5 years, I've always wondered why any woman would want to have anything to do with them.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49488689]Five years in jail is nothing. Maybe five years in solitary is something, but that won't happen. And won't fix this.[/QUOTE] No I'm pretty sure five years is a reasonable amount of time. It's a whopping 6% of your life span if you live to 80, that's a reasonable amount of time. And I don't know how you can assert it wont help, sure it wont in a US prison because they're all total shitshows, ours aren't great but they aren't [I]that[/I] shit.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49488386]Five years is a long ass time to be sat in a cell. Besides, she didn't manage to cause any lasting harm as she was stopped before leaving, imprisoning her for an extended period of time wont do much but take up a prison cell. Five years should be enough time for her to think about what she just tried to do and for someone to try and convince her it was a dumb idea.[/QUOTE] Or she might continue to think that the evil degenerate Westerners are keeping her from reaching the true Caliphate and she'll just get more angry.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;49488408]I'd even argue that 5 years is too much, because that is a long-ass time. Though, of course, she might not even end up serving the whole thing.[/QUOTE] Yeah no, she knew full well what would happen to her kids should she have succeeded. They would be as good as dead.

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49488850]Or she might continue to think that the evil degenerate Westerners are keeping her from reaching the true Caliphate and she'll just get more angry.[/QUOTE] Okay, and? She's not going to be allowed anywhere near the kids again after this little stunt. Even if her opinions don't change, locking her up is doing jack shit as she'll be on every damn no-fly list known to mankind.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49488915]Okay, and? She's not going to be allowed anywhere near the kids again after this little stunt. Even if her opinions don't change, locking her up is doing jack shit as she'll be on every damn no-fly list known to mankind.[/QUOTE] I agree. I just think there's more than one possible outcome of leaving her in jail for any amount of times. She won't necessarily change her opinions.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49488831]No I'm pretty sure five years is a reasonable amount of time. It's a whopping 16% of your life span if you live to 80, that's a reasonable amount of time. And I don't know how you can assert it wont help, sure it wont in a US prison because they're all total shitshows, ours aren't great but they aren't [I]that[/I] shit.[/QUOTE] 6%, not 16%. Still more than you guys would think. Try and think of where you were in January 2011, and imagine everything from then until now didn't happen.

[QUOTE=Last or First;49489257]6%, not 16%. Still more than you guys would think. Try and think of where you were in January 2011, and imagine everything from then until now didn't happen.[/QUOTE] Shit my maths is suffering tonight. Fixing that.

And then she'll be back out in the country? Nah chance, keep her in for longer wtf -this is treason.

[QUOTE=Last or First;49489257]6%, not 16%. Still more than you guys would think. Try and think of where you were in January 2011, and imagine everything from then until now didn't happen.[/QUOTE] How weird. I've never heard anybody phrase a prison sentence like this but it's by far the most relatable and interesting way of thinking about prison time possible. 5 years doesn't sound like a lot when it comes to prison sentences, but actually imagining all of the experiences I would have missed in the past 5 years makes it very real.

I'm struggling to understand why she can't be named and shamed for legal reasons...?

She clearly wanted to join Islamic state, five years is nothing and serves as no deterrent imo.

[QUOTE=Moby-;49498892]I'm struggling to understand why she can't be named and shamed for legal reasons...?[/QUOTE] Family's safety probably

I don't understand why the west persecutes every Tom, Dick, and Larry that decides they want to join ISIS (or whoever) to wage jihad. I understand not wanting to encourage or reinforce the enemies ranks... but it sure seems counter productive. I mean, if these folks are so disgruntled about their living situation that they want to move the whole family to Syria in a belief things will be better in a war-torn, poverty-stricken region, then let them! They'll figure it out right quick and will be scrambling to return (as we've seen a hundred times already). Spying on and incarcerating unhappy citizens seems like it would only fuel the problem. I mean, if it was truly a horrendous lifestyle then they wouldn't have to lock folks up for leaving. People would find out quick and the word would spread like fire. Lock em up and people may believe the gov't is hiding something from them and may actually seek escape. Again, It just seems counter productive. Let them leave and go ruin their lives at the judgement of a predator missile or an extremist. Somehow I doubt they were all that productive at home anyways.

[QUOTE=Keys;49500636]I don't understand why the west persecutes every Tom, Dick, and Larry that decides they want to join ISIS (or whoever) to wage jihad. I understand not wanting to encourage or reinforce the enemies ranks... but it sure seems counter productive. I mean, if these folks are so disgruntled about their living situation that they want to move the whole family to Syria in a belief things will be better in a war-torn, poverty-stricken region, then let them! They'll figure it out right quick and will be scrambling to return (as we've seen a hundred times already). Spying on and incarcerating unhappy citizens seems like it would only fuel the problem. I mean, if it was truly a horrendous lifestyle then they wouldn't have to lock folks up for leaving. People would find out quick and the word would spread like fire. Lock em up and people may believe the gov't is hiding something from them and may actually seek escape. Again, It just seems counter productive. Let them leave and go ruin their lives at the judgement of a predator missile or an extremist. Somehow I doubt they were all that productive at home anyways.[/QUOTE] The thing is, we can't let these people back. They're a gigantic security risk. They already proved they're easily brainwashed and of low intelligence by going to a terror regime, now you want to let them back in because "They realised it wasn't as good as they thought". We tried that, it's a bigger drain on taxpayer resources than simply locking these morons up. Not to mention the tremendous security risk and societal damage.

[QUOTE=Hyperbole;49500702]The thing is, we can't let these people back. They're a gigantic security risk. They already proved they're easily brainwashed and of low intelligence by going to a terror regime, now you want to let them back in because "They realised it wasn't as good as they thought". We tried that, it's a bigger drain on taxpayer resources than simply locking these morons up. Not to mention the tremendous security risk and societal damage.[/QUOTE] No, no- I guess I didn't mean to fool you into thinking we should let them back in. Maybe 5 or 10 years down the road with some seriously special conditions, but I just don't believe stopping them from leaving is going to solve the problem. Only exacerbate the issue because stupid people will always do what they are told not to, just because they were told not to. As if the World was poised to get them. So let em go. Let's thin the stupid off the population. Or rather, let them thin themselves out.

[QUOTE=Keys;49500729]No, no- I guess I didn't mean to fool you into thinking we should let them back in. Maybe 5 or 10 years down the road with some seriously special conditions, but I just don't believe stopping them from leaving is going to solve the problem. Only exacerbate the issue because stupid people will always do what they are told not to, just because they were told not to. As if the World was poised to get them. So let em go. Let's thin the stupid off the population. Or rather, let them thin themselves out.[/QUOTE] Here's the thing. If they're a citizen of your country, you have to let them back in. That's simply international law. You can jail them as soon as they enter, but that'll cause a bigger uproar than doing it beforehand.

[QUOTE=Hyperbole;49500702]The thing is, we can't let these people back. They're a gigantic security risk. They already proved they're easily brainwashed and of low intelligence by going to a terror regime, now you want to let them back in because "They realised it wasn't as good as they thought". We tried that, it's a bigger drain on taxpayer resources than simply locking these morons up. Not to mention the tremendous security risk and societal damage.[/QUOTE] It's basically this. I've never once decided to wage war upon and bring down the country that has provided me with life and anybody who does is in a completely different psychological league than anybody else in prison who get's "rehabilitated" for stabbing some guy in the street. She's dangerous to let back into UK society after 20 years, let alone after 5. I've taken longer shits.

We can't let them live in our country, and we can't let them join ISIS. So we should find an island dump them all there.