Assad has lost the last oil field he controlled in Syria to the Islamic State as they creep toward t - Polidicks

[quote]The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) fighters have captured the last major oilfield under Syrian government control during deadly clashes over a vast central desert zone, a monitoring group said. The Jazal field was now shut down and clashes were ongoing east of Homs, with casualties reported on both sides, the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said, without giving dates or more details. Syria's army said it had repulsed an attack in the same area but did not mention Jazal or comment on how much of the country's battered energy infrastructure remained under its sway. It said it killed 25 fighters, including non-Syrian fighters. "The regime has lost the last oilfield in Syria," said the Observatory, which tracks violence through a network of sources on the ground. Jazal is a medium-sized field that lies to the north west of the rebel-held ancient city of Palmyra, close to a region that holds Syria's main natural gas fields and multi-million-dollar extraction facilities. The Observatory also reported heavy clashes between government forces and ISIL in the eastern suburbs of Homs province.[/quote] [url]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/isil-capture-parts-government-oilfield-syria-150907123935546.html[/url]

Well shit. Wouldn't this mean Assad's government loses access to much of their income (I presume Syria makes some decent money on selling oil, not sure)?

Home is bomb. Germany accept can I refugee? I need new home. Europe nice. [editline]7th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;48635218]Well shit. Wouldn't this mean Assad's government loses access to much of their income (I presume Syria makes some decent money on selling oil, not sure)?[/QUOTE] Yeap They will have to hang out on more international aid or push for peace in some fronts.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;48635233]Home is bomb. Germany accept can I refugee? I need new home. Europe nice. [editline]7th September 2015[/editline] Yeap They will have to hang out on more international aid or push for peace in some fronts.[/QUOTE] if by "international aid" you mean russian arms, and "push for peace" you mean supplement his forces with russian troops then yes. right now i bet assad has tons of troops guarding damascus, if russian troops replaced them guarding the capital, he could free those forces for more fighting

Wonder if this will be a catalyst for more direct Russian involvement? I mean, Assad needs to go, but the last thing ISIS needs is more oilfields.

[QUOTE=Sableye;48635409]if by "international aid" you mean russian arms, and "push for peace" you mean supplement his forces with russian troops then yes. right now i bet assad has tons of troops guarding damascus, if russian troops replaced them guarding the capital, he could free those forces for more fighting[/QUOTE] I think it would be better if the Russian troops who may have fighting experience in Chechnya, Georgia or Ukraine take the lead on an offensive.

[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;48635466]I think it would be better if the Russian troops who may have fighting experience in Chechnya, Georgia or Ukraine take the lead on an offensive.[/QUOTE] ya well if russian troops were fighting in a warzone against forces that the US airforce are supporting with airstrikes ww3 could easily kick off if we bombed a russian column of troops

[QUOTE=Sableye;48635500]ya well if russian troops were fighting in a warzone against forces that the US airforce are supporting with airstrikes ww3 could easily kick off if we bombed a russian column of troops[/QUOTE] I don't think The US is bombing Assad's forces. All their efforts have been concentrated on ISIS.

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;48635218]Well shit. Wouldn't this mean Assad's government loses access to much of their income (I presume Syria makes some decent money on selling oil, not sure)?[/QUOTE] Given that this is the last one they've had and it's in the middle of a warzone (much like the rest of Syria), I don't think they had much income coming from it for quite a while now anyway.

[QUOTE=Sableye;48635500]ya well if russian troops were fighting in a warzone against forces that the US airforce are supporting with airstrikes ww3 could easily kick off if we bombed a russian column of troops[/QUOTE] If the Russians are going against ISIS, that possibility is low. We could possibly accidentally harm Russian ground forces, but that would probably at worst kick off public condemnation and a strongly worded letter. Chances are we will be working with the Russians at least a little bit, at most, to avoid any accidents.

[QUOTE=Flapjacks;48635535]I don't think The US is bombing Assad's forces. All their efforts have been concentrated on ISIS.[/QUOTE] its only a matter of time before assad's forces square off against western allied forces

[QUOTE=Sableye;48635500]ya well if russian troops were fighting in a warzone against forces that the US airforce are supporting with airstrikes ww3 could easily kick off if we bombed a russian column of troops[/QUOTE] No, it wouldn't. Even the most nationalistic and irrational of nations won't start a war that will they know will result in their annihilation.

[QUOTE=Sableye;48635574]its only a matter of time before assad's forces square off against western allied forces[/QUOTE] I doubt we'll get involved in another war when neither of the countries we spend a decade trying to rebuild worked out favourably. Why would Syria be any different and why would we want to try it?

this whole thing is stupid, ISIS are making money selling oil. who the fuck is buying it for shits sake? want to solve the problem, go and find the buyers, it aint rocket science and if they aint getting money from oil, then someone is funding them. what is the point of these huge organizations like NSA, CIA, etc if they are incredibly incompetent at this?

[QUOTE=Antlerp;48638803]this whole thing is stupid, ISIS are making money selling oil. who the fuck is buying it for shits sake? want to solve the problem, go and find the buyers, it aint rocket science and if they aint getting money from oil, then someone is funding them. what is the point of these huge organizations like NSA, CIA, etc if they are incredibly incompetent at this?[/QUOTE] From what I've read its not like BP is there, its middlemen for middlemen who sell to oil companies and its off the books or records are fakes because its almost impossible to track a barrels actual origin. Now I'm honestly surprised they can even run oiil wells at all since that stuff requires constant maintinence and skilled workers, so while they probably can produce oil, if something critical is damaged or destroyed then they probably can't work the field

[QUOTE=Antlerp;48638803]this whole thing is stupid, ISIS are making money selling oil. who the fuck is buying it for shits sake? want to solve the problem, go and find the buyers, it aint rocket science and if they aint getting money from oil, then someone is funding them. what is the point of these huge organizations like NSA, CIA, etc if they are incredibly incompetent at this?[/QUOTE] It's the same problem with drugs, and that sure as hell hasn't worked with arresting everyone in possession or distribution. People rely on oil, the majority of the world infact. If ISIS has the only sources for oil, the world isn't just gonna stop turning.

[QUOTE=Tools;48639052]It's the same problem with drugs, and that sure as hell hasn't worked with arresting everyone in possession or distribution. People rely on oil, the majority of the world infact. If ISIS has the only sources for oil, the world isn't just gonna stop turning.[/QUOTE] Controlling all the Syrian oil fields is still very very far from having a monopoly on oil.

[QUOTE=Antlerp;48638803]this whole thing is stupid, ISIS are making money selling oil. who the fuck is buying it for shits sake? want to solve the problem, go and find the buyers, it aint rocket scienceand if they aint getting money from oil, then someone is funding them. what is the point of these huge organizations like NSA, CIA, etc if they are incredibly incompetent at this?[/QUOTE] There are signs indicating that the Assad regime buys most of its oil from IS :^)Also im guessing rich dudes in saudi arabia are giving them money, since that happens a lot and the saudis neglect to prevent it

Am I the only one which all of this sounds like an epic RPG?

[QUOTE=arcaneex;48680174]Am I the only one which all of this sounds like an epic RPG?[/QUOTE] Yes

Imagine ISIS getting a hold of Syria's chemical weapon stockpile. :scream:

[QUOTE=Antlerp;48638803]this whole thing is stupid, ISIS are making money selling oil. who the fuck is buying it for shits sake? want to solve the problem, go and find the buyers, it aint rocket science and if they aint getting money from oil, then someone is funding them. what is the point of these huge organizations like NSA, CIA, etc if they are incredibly incompetent at this?[/QUOTE] Sorta like blood diamonds

[QUOTE=Destroyox;48684387]Imagine ISIS getting a hold of Syria's chemical weapon stockpile. :scream:[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be surprised if they already did get some.

[QUOTE=Destroyox;48684387]Imagine ISIS getting a hold of Syria's chemical weapon stockpile. :scream:[/QUOTE] They already have control of certain stockpiles. Hence some of the gas attacks early into their campaigns.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48684527]They already have control of certain stockpiles. Hence some of the gas attacks early into their campaigns.[/QUOTE] I didn't even know that happened. Let's hope they don't use it again.

[QUOTE=Sableye;48635500]ya well if russian troops were fighting in a warzone against forces that the US airforce are supporting with airstrikes ww3 could easily kick off if we bombed a russian column of troops[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure the Russians keep in contact with the Americans during the conflict so as to avoid accidental fire.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48684715]I'm pretty sure the Russians keep in contact with the Americans during the conflict so as to avoid accidental fire.[/QUOTE] well as long as coalition airstrikes are against targets in the eastern part of syria, i mean the most realistic scenario is russia is just reinforcing damascus, preventing ISIS from moving south on them, so as long as the russian troops stay there they're going to be out of the way of coalition airstrikes which have been primarily in the north east of the country, but russian special operations would probably be operating in that region without informing the coalition of it because they're special operations, and could be blown up if they are hit by an airstrike if they're confused for militant targets, but such a mistake wouldn't really be as publicized as say a strike on russian troops so maybe it'll work itself out by virtue of deniability and geographic seperation i still think we can't exactly end the war in syria without some sort of truce between assad and what ever syrian forces the west makes in the comming year, this will be the point at which the west and russia will need to come to terms on what is possible, and what is realistic, because going back to pre-2012 syria is not an option, and russia is informing the west that removing assad is also not an option, so a middleground needs to be established before the fighting is over, otherwise it will become a proxy war between the west and russia and we don't want that, i hope they don't want that either

if for some reason you can't find the buyers, destroy the oil refineries and rebuild them after the war, you must cut off ISIS' supply as if it is a tumour