• Pope Francis removes German 'bling bishop'.
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[quote][quote][img]http://america.aljazeera.com/content/ajam/articles/2014/3/26/pope-francis-removesbishopofbling/jcr:content/headlineImage.adapt.1460.high.1395845418998.jpg[/img][/quote]Pope Francis on Wednesday permanently removed a German bishop from his Limburg diocese after his $43 million new residence complex caused an uproar among the Catholic community. Francis had temporarily expelled Monsignor Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst, otherwise known as the “bishop of bling,” from his diocese last October pending a church inquiry. At the center of the controversy was the price tag for the construction and related renovations. Tebartz-van Elst defended the expenditures, saying the bill was actually for 10 projects and there were additional costs because the buildings were under historical protection. But in a country where Martin Luther launched the Reformation five centuries ago in response to what he said were excesses and abuses within the church, the outcry was enormous. The perceived lack of financial transparency also struck a chord, since a church tax in Germany brings in billions a year to the German church. Source: [url]http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/3/26/pope-francis-removesbishopofbling.html[/url][/quote] This is something that frustrates me.. and once again.. the Pope Francis has drawn the line. I am truly starting to like this man.
Can't desist the Francis
I love the new pope, and how people who don't like him are all like "Just watch, he's gonna turn out to be evil any time now..." and then the day after, he does something super-good instead.
[QUOTE=Riller;44367997]I love the new pope, and how people who don't like him are all like "Just watch, he's gonna turn out to be evil any time now..." and then the day after, he does something super-good instead.[/QUOTE] I am still skeptical of the Catholic Church as a whole.. but, this man has shown time, and time again, that there is need for a change; not through words, through actions. A lot more does need to change, and it would be amazing if He were to be the pioneer.
who will now be the cover of bling magazine? [t]http://photomica.com/temp/8x3QhWAdv4r9gjG.jpg[/t]
I really like this guy he seems super down to earth but nothing he can ever do will undo the corruption of the catholic church or return the wealth they systematically steal from the old and weak minded.
[QUOTE=Riller;44367997]I love the new pope, and how people who don't like him are all like "Just watch, he's gonna turn out to be evil any time now..." and then the day after, he does something super-good instead.[/QUOTE] He's not evil or anything but he's certainly not perfect either. He may be progressive for a pope but he still doesn't support gay marriage, for example, which is kind of a big deal. I'm glad that he's making some positive changes in the church but by a modern standard he's still behind
[QUOTE=Elspin;44368404]He's not evil or anything but he's certainly not perfect either. He may be progressive for a pope but he still doesn't support gay marriage, for example, which is kind of a big deal. I'm glad that he's making some positive changes in the church but by a modern standard he's still behind[/QUOTE] Considering I haven't expected the leaps that this guy has made for the church, I'm still impressed. If someone told the me from a couple years ago that the pope was going to do the things this guy has done so far, I wouldn't have believed them. He's advancing the church forward, which is definitely something.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;44368440]Considering I haven't expected the leaps that this guy has made for the church, I'm still impressed. If someone told the me from a couple years ago that the pope was going to do the things this guy has done so far, I wouldn't have believed them. He's advancing the church forward, which is definitely something.[/QUOTE] Don't get me wrong, I did say I acknowledge he's extremely progressive for a pope, I just don't necessarily think people should be so positive about someone being [i]less bad[/i] than usual, he still supports some negative things.
Ah shoot - I wasn't trying to indicate that you weren't acknowledging the good. And normally I hold that "let's not be so happy about things being less bad but still bad" stance, but this is the Catholic church we're talking about. It's been messed up for forever and seeing even the slightest bit of change is awesome.
In the relatively short time he's been pope, it feels like he's done double as much as the previous pope did in his entire time.
[QUOTE=booster;44368819]In the relatively short time he's been pope, it feels like he's done double as much as the previous pope did in his entire time.[/QUOTE] I think it's because he's just making such drastic changed that he's frequenting the news more.
If the Catholic Church keeps on the track Francis is driving on, I'm more likely to convert to my girlfriend's religion than not, now.
Meanwhile polish consevative catholic media call pope a lefty
he's certainly doing a better job than Pope "No Hope" Benedict, at least attempting to strip down the opulence and corruption of the institution. you should all read this article though, it seems like I know too many people think he's waiting for the right time to say gay marriage/euthanasia/abortion is a-okay or something [url]http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2013/07/five-myths-about-pope-francis[/url] [quote]First Things is an ecumenical journal focused on creating a "religiously informed public philosophy for the ordering of society".[1] The journal is inter-denominational and inter-religious, representing a broad intellectual tradition of Christian and Jewish critique of contemporary society. Published by the New York-based Institute on Religion and Public Life,[2] it is published monthly, except for bi-monthly issues covering June/July and August/September. Newsweek called First Things "the most important vehicle for exploring the tangled web of religion and society in the English-speaking world."[3][/quote]
[QUOTE=Elspin;44368404]he still doesn't support gay marriage[/QUOTE] And they never will, deal with it.
also the catholic church has always been at the heart of hell of a lot of charitable work, I don't know why people are so surprised he cares about the poor
[QUOTE=Elspin;44368497]Don't get me wrong, I did say I acknowledge he's extremely progressive for a pope, I just don't necessarily think people should be so positive about someone being [i]less bad[/i] than usual, he still supports some negative things.[/QUOTE] They should, because when it comes to very slow moving institutions like the Catholic Church, "less bad" is their fast track to "more good."
[QUOTE=uzikus;44370020]And they never will, deal with it.[/QUOTE] well that's kind of terrible isn't it
[QUOTE=WhyNott;44369895]Meanwhile polish consevative catholic media call pope a lefty[/QUOTE] NPR last night had a segment on how because the Pope isn't from Europe and grew up in Argentina, he's anti-capitalist.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;44370033]also the catholic church has always been at the heart of hell of a lot of charitable work, I don't know why people are so surprised he cares about the poor[/QUOTE] Not to mention their advancements in science As well as the work that many monks did copying Roman texts
[QUOTE=BFG9000;44379317]Not to mention their advancements in science As well as the work that many monks did copying Roman texts[/QUOTE] The monasteries kept knowledge alive during the Dark Ages. For all that people turned to religion instead of scientific thought then, the monks had the right idea about storing knowledge.
not really, most monasteries were practically college frat houses until around the renasanse when the rich's sons began to shift from the sheltered life of the monastery where they lived in luxury to the corporate world of banking and running the family affairs [editline]28th March 2014[/editline] at least in places like it ally, other places like england and Ireland were where the traditional idea of what a monk is formed
[QUOTE=BFG9000;44379317]Not to mention their advancements in science As well as the work that many monks did copying Roman texts[/QUOTE] Yeah, let's not forget that genetics were discovered by a priest, after all.
[QUOTE=Elspin;44368404]He's not evil or anything but he's certainly not perfect either. He may be progressive for a pope but he still doesn't support gay marriage, for example, which is kind of a big deal. I'm glad that he's making some positive changes in the church but by a modern standard he's still behind[/QUOTE] He's not opposed to gays either, though. It's pretty damn obvious to say that the leader of the Catholic church ain't super-down with the idea of dude-makeouts in God's house, but being like "Yeah dude-makeouts in other places are okay" is pretty fine. Whenever we have a hot topic like gay marriage on hand, people tend to forget that there's a middle-ground too, in this case "Gays are pretty okay I suppose but I'm not gonna give 'em god's blessing because my instruction manual tells me he'd not be super down with that".
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44370068]NPR last night had a segment on how because the Pope isn't from Europe and grew up in Argentina, he's anti-capitalist.[/QUOTE] well... capitalism breeds from a religious standpoint, adoration of money, which is a hell of a sin. the only difference is that this pope isn't "ignoring" that little fact, like so many have. its also hilarious to see "christians" with fuck you got mine attitudes(which tend to be kind who dislike this pope) trying to explain this particular text from the bible. [QUOTE]"Matthew 19:21-24: Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sableye;44379392]not really, most monasteries were practically college frat houses until around the renasanse when the rich's sons began to shift from the sheltered life of the monastery where they lived in luxury to the corporate world of banking and running the family affairs [editline]28th March 2014[/editline] at least in places like it ally, other places like england and Ireland were where the traditional idea of what a monk is formed[/QUOTE] Yeah and all those manuscripts produced just came out of thin air because the frat monks never bothered their time with such boring things. [editline]28th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Wizards Court;44379686]well... capitalism breeds from a religious standpoint, adoration of money, which is a hell of a sin. the only difference is that this pope isn't "ignoring" that little fact, like so many have. its also hilarious to see "christians" with fuck you got mine attitudes(which tend to be kind who dislike this pope) trying to explain this particular text from the bible.[/QUOTE] Capitalism, at least in America, stems from the Puritans in New England who believed getting rich was a sign God loved you and being poor was a sign you have signed. Because God would obviously bless those who were working hard. Money representing having worked hard, which in their eyes was one of the greatest virtues you could have. Over time, take away the religious context as society progresses and you get people who say having money is because I worked for it and the poor don't have money because they're lazy.
[QUOTE=Sableye;44379392]not really, most monasteries were practically college frat houses until around the renasanse when the rich's sons began to shift from the sheltered life of the monastery where they lived in luxury to the corporate world of banking and running the family affairs [editline]28th March 2014[/editline] at least in places like it ally, other places like england and Ireland were where the traditional idea of what a monk is formed[/QUOTE] *Renaissance you plebian farmer
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44380475]Yeah and all those manuscripts produced just came out of thin air because the frat monks never bothered their time with such boring things. [editline]28th March 2014[/editline] Capitalism, at least in America, stems from the Puritans in New England who believed getting rich was a sign God loved you and being poor was a sign you have signed. Because God would obviously bless those who were working hard. [B]Money representing having worked hard, which in their eyes was one of the greatest virtues you could have. Over time, take away the religious context as society progresses and you get people who say having money is because I worked for it and the poor don't have money because they're lazy.[/B][/QUOTE] which, is a hell of a distortion of the original teachings.
Just mad cause the german pope kept the purple drank drippin on his iced out robes gripping woodgrain steering wheels.
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