[QUOTE]A motion of no confidence in Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has been passed by the party's MPs.
The 172-40 vote, which is not binding, follows resignations from the shadow cabinet and calls on Mr Corbyn to quit.
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[QUOTE]The 172-40 vote, which is not binding[/QUOTE]
So he could just ignore it?
[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;50610456]So he could just ignore it?[/QUOTE]
I guess so, though at 172 - 40 it's obvious his own party is at massive odds with him.
[QUOTE=Morgen;50610462]I guess so, though at 172 - 40 it's obvious his own party is at massive odds with him.[/QUOTE]
Honestly at this point, fuck them.
He is litterally the only person iv'e seen trying to pull labour away from being the a red flavor Tory party.
I don't agree with his millitary policies which is why I said i would not vote for him, but nearly everything else i do and at this point in time i've actually decided i'd actually go against my own opinion to vote him into power. He seems to actually give a shit about the working class, he fucking gets the divide thats getting wider and wider and wants to undo it before shit happens that no one really wants to see.
I don't think there's anyone in the Labour party better than Corbyn atm. I don't agree with everything he says, but he's done better to stir things up and bring some change in the party.
Right now Labour are just a bunch of blairites, neo-tories that are hard to distinguish from their rivals.
What do actual Labour voters think of him though?
The MPs have always hated him in power.
Fuck every single one of those 172 MPs. Both the Tories and now their opposition have become an absolute joke. In the space of a week the UK has managed to cause all of it's politics to just collapse in on itself. I'm embarrassed.
[QUOTE=Anyx;50610536]Fuck every single one of those 172 MPs. Both the Tories and now their opposition have become an absolute joke. In the space of a week the UK has managed to cause all of it's politics to just collapse in on itself. I'm embarrassed.[/QUOTE]
Well, apart from the SNP who are basically coming out of this rolled in gold dust.
[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;50610508]Honestly at this point, fuck them.
He is litterally the only person iv'e seen trying to pull labour away from being the a red flavor Tory party.
I don't agree with his millitary policies which is why I said i would not vote for him, but nearly everything else i do and at this point in time i've actually decided i'd actually go against my own opinion to vote him into power. He seems to actually give a shit about the working class, he fucking gets the divide thats getting wider and wider and wants to undo it before shit happens that no one really wants to see.[/QUOTE]
Yeah some of his policies are okay but his military ones are absolutely terrible. I think there's probably an effective middle ground between the tories and Corbyn though. I don't know who could provide it but I doubt Corbyn would get anywhere in the general election against a decent tory leader.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;50610543]Well, apart from the SNP who are basically coming out of this rolled in gold dust.[/QUOTE]
Yep. Never wished I was Scottish so badly in my life.
i'd be down with another leader if they didn't have such weak candidates, especially with chilcot coming out soon.
[url]http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10182/angela_eagle/wallasey/divisions?policy=975[/url]
[url]http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10131/yvette_cooper/normanton%2C_pontefract_and_castleford/divisions?policy=975[/url]
[url]http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11309/tom_watson/west_bromwich_east/divisions?policy=975[/url]
[QUOTE=person11;50610531]What do actual Labour voters think of him though?
The MPs have always hated him in power.[/QUOTE]
from what I've seen/heard the majority of labour voters support him.
He's also refused to back down following this saying it would betray those who voted him in:
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/28/brexit-live-cameron-eu-leaders-brussels-corbyn-confidence[/url]
Corbyn being in charge essentially turns the UK into a one party state IMO since Scotland is going full SNP, and England is too right wing for Corbyn to take. Unless the new Conservative leader is terrible I don't see how he will get a majority government. It doesn't matter what labour voters think of him if he can't win over the general electorate.
[QUOTE=Morgen;50610588]Corbyn being in charge essentially turns the UK into a one party state IMO since Scotland is going full SNP, and England is too right wing for Corbyn to take. Unless the new Conservative leader is terrible I don't see how he will get a majority government. It doesn't matter what labour voters think of him if he can't win over the general electorate.[/QUOTE]the issue I have is that the ones who resigned, and the main force against him are not anti-austerity. they abstained on the welfare bill, they presented their 2015 manifesto still using the language of austerity but in a friendly way. the alternative to corbyn does not seem good either, they don't have a blair.
These guys are doing a better job of making Labour look like an ineffective and unelectable opposition than Corbyn ever could. I suppose that's probably the plan.
Thank fuck I have the SNP to continue voting for.
[quote=Corbyn]I was democratically elected leader of our party for a new kind of politics by 60% of Labour members and supporters, and I will not betray them by resigning. Today's vote by MPs has no constitutional legitimacy.[/quote]
This doesn't mean shit to him really, Tory Lite MPs have been throwing shit at him before he was even elected and he doesn't even need to acknowledge this vote until someone actually steps up to oppose him and gets voted in
[QUOTE=person11;50610531]What do actual Labour voters think of him though?
The MPs have always hated him in power.[/QUOTE]
IIRC he's one of the first candidates for leader to be voted in on the first round of public voting
I've always backed Corbyn but it's clear now that he can't lead the party or win a general election. We need a labour with a leader who is distinctly left of the Tories but stands chance of at least being able to form a coalition with the SNP.
Why does the Labour party even exist anymore?
Both the membership and the MPs have absolutely nothing in common with the working classes they were founded to represent, yet both claim to know what the working class want and what would be best for them.
The EU referendum revealed just how out of touch the Labour party is with the working classes. They ran a pro-EU campaign which had absolutely nothing to do with the concerns of their voters, it's all well and good talking about how the EU allowed people in this country to move around Europe but most of the working classes are too poor to even leave the country let alone get a job opportunity in Europe.
[QUOTE=The mouse;50610751]Why does the Labour party even exist anymore?
Both the membership and the MPs have absolutely nothing in common with the working classes they were founded to represent, yet both claim to know what the working class want and what would be best for them.
The EU referendum revealed just how out of touch the Labour party is with the working classes. They ran a pro-EU campaign which had absolutely nothing to do with the concerns of their voters, it's all well and good talking about how the EU allowed people in this country to move around Europe but most of the working classes are too poor to even leave the country let alone get a job opportunity in Europe.[/QUOTE]
Well free movement of people isn't the sole advantage of EU membership, leaving serves no-one's agenda.
[QUOTE=_Axel;50610773]Well free movement of people isn't the sole advantage of EU membership, leaving serves no-one's agenda.[/QUOTE]
The point was that, the working class are very much concerned by immigration which is greatly facilitated by free movement of people. Leaving the EU would allow the government to reduce immigration. But instead the Labour party decided to instead of trying to address the fears of the working classes, decided to talk about how great uncontrolled immigration is instead.
[QUOTE=The mouse;50610781]The point was that, the working class are very much concerned by immigration which is greatly facilitated by free movement of people. [B][U]Leaving the EU would allow the government to reduce immigration[/U][/B]. But instead the Labour party decided to instead of trying to address the fears of the working classes, decided to talk about how great uncontrolled immigration is instead.[/QUOTE]
How?
Comrade Corbyn will continue his purge.
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Jesus your political parties seem built on eggshells
Not that we Americans should judge our parties have imploded but in a different way
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;50610786]How?[/QUOTE]
A condition of access to the single market is free movement of labour, as a result the UK isn't allowed to place controls on immigration. Therefore leaving the EU is also leaving the single market which then allows the government to implement controls on immigration.
[QUOTE=The mouse;50610802]A condition of access to the single market is free movement of labour, as a result the UK isn't allowed to place controls on immigration. Therefore leaving the EU is also leaving the single market which then allows the government to implement controls on immigration.[/QUOTE]
So, sacrifice the economy for the sake of immigration control? Getting into the EEA is our safest option at the minute. We don't exactly have the luxury of time, or the financial stability in place, that Switzerland has had over the past 40 years to negotiate bilaterally with European countries.
I get that you're talking about the perspective of Labour's message vs. voter base perception, but there really isn't anything allowing us to overcome immigration grievances without having long lasting damage to our economy.
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;50610818]So, sacrifice the economy for the sake of immigration control? Getting into the EEA is our safest option at the minute. We don't exactly have the luxury of time, or the financial stability in place, that Switzerland has had over the past 40 years to negotiate bilaterally with European countries.
I get that you're talking about the perspective of Labour's message vs. voter base perception, but there really isn't anything allowing us to overcome immigration grievances without having long lasting damage to our economy.[/QUOTE]
But look it from the view of many of the working classes. As far as they're concerned they've got nothing to lose if the economy tanks because their areas are already deprived and high in unemployment. Successive governments have failed to listen to their concerns on immigration and so the EU referendum gave them a chance to finally make their concerns clear.
tbh if labour dont split by the end of this i'd be surprised.
[QUOTE=The mouse;50610846]But look it from the view of many of the working classes. As far as they're concerned they've got nothing to lose if the economy tanks because their areas are already deprived and high in unemployment. Successive governments have failed to listen to their concerns on immigration and so the EU referendum gave them a chance to finally make their concerns clear.[/QUOTE]
This is the real tragedy of it all, though. It's going to be the poorest people that are going to be hurt the most by this. I wouldn't class myself as poor, but I come from a lower-income working class family, and that's why I have deep concern for the implications of this referendum. Job prospects are pretty poor over here in Northern Ireland, but I don't place any of that on the EU. We have a Minister for Employment, and a Department for Work and Pensions, to work that out. It isn't the prerogative of the EU to sort out the UK's job prospects.
[QUOTE=The mouse;50610846]But look it from the view of many of the working classes. As far as they're concerned they've got nothing to lose if the economy tanks because their areas are already deprived and high in unemployment. Successive governments have failed to listen to their concerns on immigration and so the EU referendum gave them a chance to finally make their concerns clear.[/QUOTE]
The thing is, with a Tory government, systems set up to provide work and care for the lower classes are at risk now more than ever. Benefits, the NHS, apprenticeships and so on will almost certainly be nickle and dime'd into uselessness, or phased out almost entirely. The country just doesn't have as much demand for physical, unskilled work as it use to, and no money or infrastructure is set aside to increase that demand.
And the working class will certainly care if the price of their alcohol and holidays go up, which they will, since we import a lot of beer, and working class people love to go Magaluf or Benidorm. If their benefits don't increase to meet the rising cost of living, things will only get worse for them.
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