Russia to ban US from using ISS beyond 2020 over Ukraine sanctions
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[quote]Russia is to deny the US future use of the International Space Station beyond 2020 and will also bar its rocket engines from launching US military satellites as it hits back at American sanctions imposed over Ukraine crisis.Russia’s deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin announced a series of punitive measures on Tuesday against the US in response to sanctions imposed after Russia annexed Crimea.
The two countries have long cooperated closely on space exploration despite their clashes in foreign policy.
The Space Station is manned by both American and Russian crew, but the only way to reach it is by using Russia’s Soyuz spacecraft.
The US is keen to keep the $100 billion (£600) ISS flying until at least 2024, four years beyond its original target.[/quote]
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[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10828964/Russia-to-ban-US-from-using-Space-Station-over-Ukraine-sanctions.html[/url]
ok be like that.
cunts.
Sucks that the advancement of humans and space is being held back over petty arguments and sanctions, it's sad really.
Well now that's really dumb. And considering US is developing their new spaceship too...well, that would be interesting.
Except that the US and EU could easily make a soyuz copy and continue manning a new space station, besides, isn't everything on ISS except the soyuz's and one of the pods US/EU-made?
space race v2: electric boogaloo
I'm sure all the private companies making their forays into space travel in the US are happy to hear this, it means they're more likely to get business.
Um, we should have commercial crew capability before 2020, so that doesn't really matter. If they really wanted to show teeth, they would stop flying US astronauts to the station right now.
You can literally shut the hatch between the Russian and US sections and ignore each other. Both have independent life support and power. The only real problem is that the Russian section contains the station's propulsion, which is necessary for periodic reboosts to keep it in orbit. In a worst case scenario, the Russians could undock their part of the station and leave the US scrambling to find a way to reboost. The ESA's ATV can do the job, and I suspect that a Dragon equipped with a probe-and-drogue docking port (to use the ATV's dock, at the far end of the station) could also do it.
So, I don't see this changing anything, and the odds are that by 2020 we'll all have moved on to other concerns and won't give a shit about Ukraine anymore.
[quote]and will also bar its rocket engines from launching US military satellites[/quote]
Except we already told the ULA they can't use Russian engines anymore.
And now we have an incentive to finish work on Lockheed Martin's ORION, SpaceX's crew-compatible Dragon, and Boeing's CST-100.
We're not exactly dead in the water without Russia, especially by 2020. This is probably one of the best things that could happen to the US space industry right now.
imagine the poor astronauts whose daily lives depend on eachother
[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;44800145]Except that the US and EU could easily make a soyuz copy and continue manning a new space station, besides, isn't everything on ISS except the soyuz's and one of the pods US/EU-made?[/QUOTE]
Why build a copy of a soyuz when we have something better already flying?
[QUOTE]The Space Station is manned by both American and Russian crew, but the only way to reach it is by using Russia’s Soyuz spacecraft.[/QUOTE]
Or, you know
[img]http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/images/dragon/tabs/dragon-lab.jpg[/img]
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The US is keen to keep the $100 billion (£600) ISS flying
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Initially thought something was drastically wrong with the conversion rate in that :v:
[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;44800145]Except that the US and EU could easily make a soyuz copy and continue manning a new space station, besides, isn't everything on ISS except the soyuz's and one of the pods US/EU-made?[/QUOTE]
Well, actually copying spaceships and rockets is not that easy, you know.
And the second thing is that both russia and us are developing their new ships, so copying an old spaceship that is going to be replaced anyway just makes no sence.
Can they even do that? I thought it was the [b]International[/b] Space Station, not the [b]Russian[/b] Space Station. How do they plan on stopping the US from using the station anyway?
And by 2020 chances are SpaceX will be doing astronaut delivery to the ISS so jokes on you.
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This is kind of a shitty response to the sanctions, it's only going to happen in 6 years and by then it'll be an empty threat.
[QUOTE=antianan;44800213]Well, actually copying spaceships and rockets is not that easy, you know.
And the second thing is that both russia and us are developing their new ships, so copying an old spaceship that is going to be replaced anyway just makes no sence.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_%28spacecraft%29]Prime example of why copying doesn't always work[/url]
(See also: Concordski for an aviation equivalent)
Humanity is so fucking retarded.
We're like a big bunch of crybabies stuck in a sandbox.
I'm imagining some alien race just laughing their asses off, watching us quarrel over this shit.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;44800218]Can they even do that? I thought it was the [b]International[/b] Space Station, not the [b]Russian[/b] Space Station. [B]How do they plan on stopping the US from using the station anyway?[/B]
And by 2020 chances are SpaceX will be doing astronaut delivery to the ISS so jokes on you.
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This is kind of a shitty response to the sanctions, it's only going to happen in 6 years and by then it'll be an empty threat.[/QUOTE]
One Russian astronaut will hide inside the doorway with a knife to stab any invading US astronauts.
It will be the first space war. Astronauts shanking each other with knives.
you need to keep in mind that the ISS will be de-orbited in 2024.
the ISS already has mold problems due to it's age
[IMG]http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/i/streams/2013/July/130718/6C8309868-fungus-international-space-station.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;44800218]Can they even do that? I thought it was the [b]International[/b] Space Station, not the [b]Russian[/b] Space Station. How do they plan on stopping the US from using the station anyway?[/QUOTE]
Garry could call this forum International Punch - doesn't mean he can't do some russian-style bullshit and stop people coming.
We're pretty dependent on the Russians for space right now, but we won't be by 2020. Not after all the bullshit they pull.
[QUOTE=meppers;44800254]you need to keep in mind that the ISS will be de-orbited in 2024.
the ISS already has mold problems due to it's age
[IMG]http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/i/streams/2013/July/130718/6C8309868-fungus-international-space-station.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Wow, if I was an astronaut, and rode a fucking rocket up to the ISS just to see that, I would be incredibly upset.
[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;44800145]Except that the US and EU could easily make a soyuz copy and continue manning a new space station, besides, isn't everything on ISS except the soyuz's and one of the pods US/EU-made?[/QUOTE]
I think we'd be more likely to fast-track NASA's Orion and SLS or SpaceX's man-rated DragonRider capsule than to clone Soyuz. I'd expect DragonRider, honestly - the Orion capsule and SLS rocket have been on the drawing board, in various incarnations, for a decade or two now, and SLS is overkill for a LEO capsule rocket.
As for the ISS, Zvezda, Zarya, Rassvet, Poisk, and Pirs are Russian. Everything else (11 pressurized modules and several large external structures) is American, European, Canadian or Japanese. Russia plans a few more modules, and they have considered separating their section (although this was when we were planning to abandon our part - which we no longer seem to want to do, thankfully).
[QUOTE=Trumple;44800209]Initially thought something was drastically wrong with the conversion rate in that :v:[/QUOTE]
Nah, that's just inflation.
Up here in Canada we pay $33 million a month for 100mb of data.
Pfft whatever we'll just build a way awesomeeer one
[QUOTE=gman003-main;44800281]I think we'd be more likely to fast-track NASA's Orion and SLS or SpaceX's man-rated DragonRider capsule than to clone Soyuz. I'd expect DragonRider, honestly - the Orion capsule and SLS rocket have been on the drawing board, in various incarnations, for a decade or two now, and SLS is overkill for a LEO capsule rocket.
As for the ISS, Zvezda, Zarya, Rassvet, Poisk, and Pirs are Russian. Everything else (11 pressurized modules and several large external structures) is American, European, Canadian or Japanese. Russia plans a few more modules, and they have considered separating their section (although this was when we were planning to abandon our part - which we no longer seem to want to do, thankfully).[/QUOTE]
Dragon 2 (human rated Dragon) is going to be unveiled on the 28th of this month, so there's that. It still has to undergo flight testing, but it's ready for production basically.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;44800281]I think we'd be more likely to fast-track NASA's Orion and SLS or SpaceX's man-rated DragonRider capsule than to clone Soyuz. I'd expect DragonRider, honestly - the Orion capsule and SLS rocket have been on the drawing board, in various incarnations, for a decade or two now, and SLS is overkill for a LEO capsule rocket.
As for the ISS, Zvezda, Zarya, Rassvet, Poisk, and Pirs are Russian. Everything else (11 pressurized modules and several large external structures) is American, European, Canadian or Japanese. Russia plans a few more modules, and they have considered separating their section (although this was when we were planning to abandon our part - which we no longer seem to want to do, thankfully).[/QUOTE]
And the Zarya module isn't even owned by Russia. It was just built by them.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;44800270]Wow, if I was an astronaut, and rode a fucking rocket up to the ISS just to see that, I would be incredibly upset.[/QUOTE]
Look at photos of Mir near its end of its life, same sort of thing. It may be one of (if not) the biggest achievements of human engineering but it is still a man made construction that has been sitting in space for ~15 years.
[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;44800145]Except that the US and EU could easily make a soyuz copy and continue manning a new space station, besides, isn't everything on ISS except the soyuz's and one of the pods US/EU-made?[/QUOTE]Making spacecraft isn't as easy as just copying something even if you could. The Soyuz spacecraft is quite ancient, even though the latest version is only some years old.
And no, about a third of the crew modules on ISS is Russian.
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