• Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says
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[url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/27/obama.gays.military/index.html?hpt=T1[/url] [quote]Washington (CNN) -- President Obama will ask Congress Wednesday night to repeal the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy that bars gays and lesbians from openly serving in, White House Senior Adviser David Axelrod told CNN. The request will be included in the president's State of the Union address, Axelrod said. The issue has been a source of contention for heavy hitters on both sides of the issue, who are lining up for a fight. In a message to Pentagon leadership, Gen. John Shalikashvili, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said it's time to repeal the law. Don't ask, don't tell In 1992, President Clinton suspended the military's policy which barred gay, lesbian and bisexual people from serving in the military. Congress later passed DADT in 1993. The law says GLB members are allowed to serve unless they: --Make a statement of their sexuality , publicly or even to family and friends (and are later turned in) --Attempt to marry a person of the same sex --Get caught engaging in a homosexual act In 2005, a bill was introduced in the House to repeal DADT. The bill however did not have enough support to make it out of committee. In 2008, more than 100 retired generals and admirals called for a DADT repeal. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell has called for a review of the policy. During the 2008 presidential election, then-candidate Barack Obama promised to end the DADT policy. Obama, as president, has been criticized by GLB groups for not pushing harder to get the law repealed. Military statistics indicate that from 1997 to 2008 -- over 10,500 service members have been discharged under the law. Servicemembers Legal Defense Network -- an organization providing legal help -- say over 13,000 GLB members have been discharged since 1994. RELATED TOPICS * U.S. Armed Forces * Gay and Lesbian Relationships * Barack Obama "As a nation built on the principal of equality, we should recognize and welcome change that will build a stronger more cohesive military," said Shalikashvili. His letter was sent out Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-New York, who supports repealing the policy. House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, flatly disagreed with the idea of ending it. "When it comes to 'don't ask don't tell,' frankly, I think it's worked very well. And we just ought to leave it alone," he said to reporters Wednesday morning. Weigh in on the President's address The policy prohibits openly gay men and women from serving in the U.S. armed forces. The policy bans military recruiters or authorities from asking about an individual's sexual orientation, but also prohibits a service member from revealing that he or she is gay. Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Michigan, who told reporters on Monday that the president would discuss the "don't ask, don't tell" policy in his speech, supports ending the practice, but wants to go about it carefully. Levin said he did not have any details about what the president would say. "If we do this in a way which isn't sensitive ... we could have exactly the opposite effect of what I hope will be the case -- which is to change the policy," he said Monday. Levin said the committee plans to hold hearings on the issue in early February, although the hearing may be with outside experts -- delaying a hearing with Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Michael Mullen, that had originally been promised, CNN was told by a congressional source. Obama campaigned on the promise that he would repeal the law in his first year of office. Speaking to the gay rights group Human Rights Campaign, in October, Obama admitted that "our progress may be taking longer than we like," but he insisted his administration was still on track to overturn the policy. "Do not doubt the direction we are heading and the destination we will reach," he said. Pentagon Spokesman Geoff Morrell deflected repeated questions about the policy at Wednesday's Pentagon briefing, directing reporters to take their questions to the White House. "We continue to work on this problem," said Morrell. "But I'm not going to get into it with more specificity than that."[/quote] i am confused, does this mean obama WANTS recruiters to ask if you're gay?
He said this about two months ago. Obama is just restating it.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19886869]He said this about two months ago. Obama is just restating it.[/QUOTE] Well, this is better than saying it two months ago and then pretending like it never happened.
[QUOTE=Shugo589;19886904]Well, this is better than saying it two months ago and then pretending like it never happened.[/QUOTE] And he won't in another 2 months?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19886943]And he won't in another 2 months?[/QUOTE] He's talking about it tonight, Lern2read
For the record, I like dicks in and around my mouth.
[QUOTE=^0mKTank;19886988]For the record, I like dicks in and around my mouth.[/QUOTE] Left facepunch up at the apple store?
Even if the DADT rule is repealed I won't join the military.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;19887010]Even if the DADT rule is repealed I won't join the military.[/QUOTE] so? Why should this be repealed? I don't care if your gay in the military, as long as your not a faggy type gay.
Fuck yeah, another excuse to use for getting out of the military.
NO!!! It's the perfect solution.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;19886858][url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/27/obama.gays.military/index.html?hpt=T1[/url] i am confused, does this mean obama WANTS recruiters to ask if you're gay?[/QUOTE] No, it just means that people won't get kicked out for admitting that they're gay.
[QUOTE=gerbils_alt_2;19887471] Why should this be repealed? I don't care if your gay in the military, as long as your not a faggy type gay.[/QUOTE] The privacy issues. Ignoring that I am fundamentally opposed to homosexuality, we will look at this from a purely logical standpoint. Gay men like men. Therefore, they cannot stay in the mens' barracks, becasue that would endanger the privacy of the straight men. They cannot stay in the womens' barracks, that would be a privacy issue for the gay men. You cannot give gay men their own gay barracks, that would also endanger their privacy. And you can't give only gay men private rooms, that would be unfair. We can't give everyone private rooms, that would be massively expensive. Now apply that to lesbians as well, and you have a massive issue with housing. Therefore, the ban on gays in the military should continue/be reinstated.
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19890043]The privacy issues. Ignoring that I am fundamentally opposed to homosexuality, we will look at this from a purely logical standpoint. Gay men like men. Therefore, they cannot stay in the mens' barracks, becasue that would endanger the privacy of the straight men.[/QUOTE] The military asks it's soldiers be prepared to kill and die for their country, but god forbid the military ask them to stay in the same room as a gay man! Those men who have gone through boot camp and basic training and have spent months, sometimes even years getting shot at every day might get embarrassed by a gay guy looking at their dick and decide to quit! That simply wouldn't do.
brb, joining the military. :quagmire:
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19890189]The military asks it's soldiers be prepared to kill and die for their country, but god forbid the military ask them to stay in the same room as a gay man! Those men who have gone through boot camp and basic training and have spent months, sometimes even years getting shot at every day might get embarrassed by a gay guy looking at their dick and decide to quit! That simply wouldn't do.[/QUOTE] 1) People volunteer to join the military, they are not asked. 2) People are not in combat for years at a time, and when deployed are not continuously in battle. 3) Personal privacy is an important issue, and cannot be tossed away for the joy of a small minority group.
Sexuality should stay out of official business in the military, it's private information that only you should be able to disclose.
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19890264]1) People volunteer to join the military, they are not asked. 2) People are not in combat for years at a time, and when deployed are not continuously in battle.[/QUOTE] That's not even the bloody point, Mr. Gays are against whatever I believe in.
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19890264]1) People volunteer to join the military, they are not asked. 2) People are not in combat for years at a time, and when deployed are not continuously in battle.[/QUOTE] You're missing the point. The point is that I don't think our military is full of children who will freak out and go AWOL at the concept of someone looking at their package. Seriously, you're saying that we shouldn't allow gay people in the military because it would make the other soldiers feel uncomfortable. Since when the hell is being in the Army or Navy supposed to be comfortable? You're telling me that we should deny some people the right to fight for their country because they might make the other soldiers feel just a tiny bit uncomfortable? I'm sure there are some people who would feel uncomfortable with there being a black dude in their unit, but I don't see you saying that we shouldn't let black people in the army. [QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19890264] 3) Personal privacy is an important issue, and cannot be tossed away for the joy of a small minority group.[/QUOTE] The right to fight for your country is an important issue, and shouldn't be tossed away because Pvt. Gomer is afraid of people looking at his dick.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19890353]You're missing the point. The point is that I don't think our military is full of children who will freak out and go AWOL at the concept of someone looking at their package. Seriously, you're saying that we shouldn't allow gay people in the military because it would make the other soldiers feel uncomfortable. Since when the hell is being in the Army or Navy supposed to be comfortable? You're telling me that we should deny some people the right to fight for their country because they might make the other soldiers feel just a tiny bit uncomfortable? I'm sure there are some people who would feel uncomfortable with there being a black dude in their unit, but I don't see you saying that we shouldn't let black people in the army.[/QUOTE] Have to agree with you there. Who fucking cares if someone looks at your dick?
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19890043]The privacy issues. Ignoring that I am fundamentally opposed to homosexuality, we will look at this from a purely logical standpoint. Gay men like men. Therefore, they cannot stay in the mens' barracks, becasue that would endanger the privacy of the straight men. They cannot stay in the womens' barracks, that would be a privacy issue for the gay men. You cannot give gay men their own gay barracks, that would also endanger their privacy. And you can't give only gay men private rooms, that would be unfair. We can't give everyone private rooms, that would be massively expensive. Now apply that to lesbians as well, and you have a massive issue with housing. Therefore, the ban on gays in the military should continue/be reinstated.[/QUOTE] So, sleeping in the same room as a homosexual man = anal rape? What the hell sense does that make?
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19890264] 3) Personal privacy is an important issue, and cannot be tossed away for the joy of a small minority group.[/QUOTE] You make it sound as if gay men join the army to leer at other men there are many other places that can be done without that sort of commitment, like, y'know, gay bars. Anyway, your argument is really dumb and the Canadian Forces gets on fine with gays/lesbians so of course DADT should be repealed.
I've never heard of this happening in the Canadian Forces, and I live right by a military base [editline]11:39PM[/editline] Goddammit, automerge broken AND ninja'd
LOL [quote=OP's News Post][B]Get caught engaging in a homosexual act[/B][/quote] So, watching Desperate Housewives gets you arrested or what?
Good, it's been a year now and he hasn't made any serious initiative on it. He's the commander in chief of the nation's military, for fuck's sake, the power to do it is basically in his hands.
Woops. Bad Reading. Okay now that I re-read the thread. [QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19890043]The privacy issues. Ignoring that I am fundamentally opposed to homosexuality, we will look at this from a purely logical standpoint. Gay men like men. Therefore, they cannot stay in the mens' barracks, becasue that would endanger the privacy of the straight men. They cannot stay in the womens' barracks, that would be a privacy issue for the gay men. You cannot give gay men their own gay barracks, that would also endanger their privacy. And you can't give only gay men private rooms, that would be unfair. We can't give everyone private rooms, that would be massively expensive. Now apply that to lesbians as well, and you have a massive issue with housing. Therefore, the ban on gays in the military should continue/be reinstated.[/QUOTE] This is ridiculous. "Gay men like men, therefore they will attack the soldiers while they are sleeping and force their homosexuality upon them"? Your ridiculous. Your speaking from one side of the fence. The same could be argued against straight men and women in the armed forces. Let's redo your argument in the other sense. "Straight men like women, therefore complications will arise because the men will have affairs with the female soldiers and disrupt their mission. Therefore straight men should not be aloud in the army". Now, you might think that sounds ridiculous. Because it is, so does your first argument.
Like everything else he's promised to do, I'll believe it when I see it.
ITT everyone hates Alan Ninja because he's a homophobe
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;19891483]ITT everyone hates Alan Ninja because he's a homo[/QUOTE] fixed you know it's probably completely true
[QUOTE=thisispain;19891491]fixed you know it's probably completely true[/QUOTE] Then why would he be a bitch about gays in the military and it being a "privacy" issue?
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