Update to Columbia Rape Accusations published by Rolling Stone (annotated chatlogs)
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I hate Gawker and I'm not trying to stir the shit heap, but it would be a shame if everyone was left thinking this girl was lying.
[QUOTE=Jezebel]After months of widespread coverage of sexual assault allegations at Columbia, this week the Daily Beast published a piece by the reliably rape-skeptical Cathy Young that purported to find the gray area in the accusations. Young focused on Paul Nungesser, the Columbia student reportedly accused of sexual assault by three different women. "Columbia Student: I Didn't Rape Her" was the headline.
"If Nungesser is not a sexual predator," Young concluded, "he could be seen as a true victim: a man who has been treated as guilty even after he has proved his innocence."
To develop this contrary point of view, Young interviewed Nungesser, his family, and the student assigned to be his supporter in the disciplinary process, and she cited messages exchanged between him and his accusers. She was unable to interview any of Nungesser's alleged victims, who worried that the piece would be what it ultimately ended up being: an example of reporting that reads with a veneer of neutrality but nonetheless advances the notion of hysterical, scheming women unfairly turning ambiguous circumstances into an attack on a hapless target.
Jezebel has spoken with three students who accuse Nungesser of sexual assault—one of whom, a male classmate, is currently in the process of pursuing disciplinary action through Columbia and has never previously spoken publicly about his allegations. There is not, by these students' accounts, much ambiguity in their experiences with Nungesser.[/quote]
[b][url=http://jezebel.com/how-to-make-an-accused-rapist-look-good-1682583526?rev=1423231871133#]Article[/url][/b]
note this is only about one of the accused, don't know about the others
Jezebel, publishing conjecture? Who'd have thought it?
more reason why schools should not be involved in deciding who's guilty or not and let the actual criminal justice system do its job.
university run disciplinary boards are terribly designed and completely incapable of handling these cases both for the accused who can easily be kicked out of college before any verdict, and the accuser who has to deal with university levels of red tape and the potential of being ostracized from the school
As a male University student and witnessing a friend almost become a victim of a false-rape accusation, and seeing fellow fraternities on campus almost lose their status as fraternities of false-rape accusations, I just want the system to be more thorough. No more of this guilty-until-proven-innocent bullshit. Justice needs to be served but in the correct way of due process.
[QUOTE=Sableye;47124220]more reason why schools should not be involved in deciding who's guilty or not and let the actual criminal justice system do its job.
university run disciplinary boards are terribly designed and completely incapable of handling these cases both for the accused who can easily be kicked out of college before any verdict, and the accuser who has to deal with university levels of red tape and the potential of being ostracized from the school[/QUOTE]
I don't know how other universities do it but at my university you have the choice of going straight to the police or letting the school board handle it.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;47124474]As a male University student and witnessing a friend almost become a victim of a false-rape accusation, and seeing fellow fraternities on campus almost lose their status as fraternities of false-rape accusations, I just want the system to be more thorough. No more of this guilty-until-proven-innocent bullshit. Justice needs to be served but in the correct way of due process.[/QUOTE]
"False rape allegations" are incredibly rare.
[url]http://www.autostraddle.com/rebel-girls-our-false-rape-hysteria-is-bullshit-270299/[/url]
[QUOTE=Prismatex;47124560]"False rape allegations" are incredibly rare.
[url]http://www.autostraddle.com/rebel-girls-our-false-rape-hysteria-is-bullshit-270299/[/url][/QUOTE]
No.
[url]https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=false+rape+allegations&safe=off&tbm=nws[/url]
[quote]
Charles P. McDowell, a researcher in the United
States Air Force Special Studies Division, studied
the 1,218 reports of rape that were made between
1980 and 1984 on Air Force bases throughout the
world (McDowell, 1985). Of those, 460 were found
to be “proven” allegations either because the “overwhelming
preponderance of the evidence” strongly
supported the allegation or because there was a conviction
in the case. Another 212 of the total reports
were found to be “disproved” as the alleged victim
convincingly admitted the complaint was a “hoax”
at some point during the initial investigation. The
researchers then investigated the 546 remaining or
“unresolved” rape allegations including having the
accusers submit to a polygraph. Twenty-seven percent
(27%) of these complainants admitted they
had fabricated their accusation just before taking
the polygraph or right after they failed the test. (It
should be noted that whenever there was any doubt,
the unresolved case was re-classified as a “proven”
rape.) Combining this 27% with the initial 212 “disproved”
cases, it was determined that approximately
45% of the total rape allegations were false.
Unfortunately, like the two studies presented
here, the empirical studies that exist on the frequency
of false rape allegations are sparse in number
and have notable limitations. Small sample sizes
and non-representative samples preclude generalizability.
Regardless, the mere number of publicized
incidents of false accusations of rape over the last
two decades indicates not only a need for further
investigation into the problem, but a better understanding
of how to identify such cases.
[/quote]
[url]http://www.annalsofpsychotherapy.com/pdf/Winter2008.pdf#page=45[/url]
[QUOTE=MadPro119;47124602]No.
[URL]https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=false+rape+allegations&safe=off&tbm=nws[/URL][/QUOTE]
The plural of anecdote is not data.
[quote][URL]http://www.annalsofpsychotherapy.com/pdf/Winter2008.pdf#page=45[/URL][/quote]
The classification of "false rape" is highly problematic.
[URL]http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/the_voice_vol_3_no_1_2009.pdf[/URL]
[URL]http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamlin/3925/4925HomeComputer/Rape myths/Police.pdf[/URL]
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