WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton 'Should Resign' - Polidicks

[img]http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2010/1011/julian_assange1_1130.jpg[/img] [quote=Time]Hillary Clinton, Julian Assange said, "should resign." Speaking over Skype from an undisclosed location on Tuesday, the WikiLeaks founder was replying to a question by TIME managing editor Richard Stengel over the diplomatic-cable dump that Assange's organization loosed on the world this past weekend. Stengel had said the U.S. Secretary of State was looking like "the fall guy" in the ensuing controversy, and had asked whether her firing or resignation was an outcome that Assange wanted. "I don't think it would make much of a difference either way," Assange said. "But she should resign if it can be shown that she was responsible for ordering U.S. diplomatic figures to engage in espionage in the United Nations, in violation of the international covenants to which the U.S. has signed up. Yes, she should resign over that." Assange spoke about the latest tranche of documents from WikiLeaks in a 36-minute interview with TIME (the full audio will be available soon on TIME.com). He said there would be more: "We're doing about 80 a day, presently, and that will gradually step up as the other media partners step in." Indeed, every region of the world appears to be bracing for its turn in the WikiLeaks mill. Pakistani officials are almost certain that more revealing documents focusing on their country will come out soon. And the Russian media are anxious to see if future leaks will detail any behind-the-scenes dealings over the August 2008 Russia-Georgia war. Assange said that all the documents were redacted "carefully." "They are all reviewed, and they're all redacted either by us or by the newspapers concerned," he said. He added that WikiLeaks "formally asked the State Department for assistance with that. That request was formally rejected." Asked what his "moral calculus" was to justify publishing the leaks and whether he considered what he was doing to be "civil disobedience," Assange said, "Not at all. This organization practices civil obedience, that is, we are an organization that tries to make the world more civil and act against abusive organizations that are pushing it in the opposite direction." As for whether WikiLeaks was breaking the law, he said, "We have now in our four-year history, and over 100 legal attacks of various kinds, been victorious in all of those matters." He added, "It's very important to remember the law is not what, not simply what, powerful people would want others to believe it is. The law is not what a general says it is. The law is not what Hillary Clinton says it is." And the source or sources of all the diplomatic cables? Stengel asked Assange if U.S. Army PFC Bradley Manning, now detained in Quantico, Va., was the sole source of the megaleak. "We're a source-protection organization," Assange said, "so the last thing we would do is discuss possible sources. However, we do know that ... the FBI, State Department and U.S. Army CID [Criminal Investigation Command] has been going around Boston visiting a number of people there." He referred to "people who have been detained coming back into the United States" with connections to Manning. The U.S. soldier's "mother's home in Wales, in the U.K.," he said, was "visited, or raided, depending on how you want to describe it," by the FBI. Stengel asked what was coming next from WikiLeaks. "We don't have targets," said Assange, "other than organizations that use secrecy to conceal unjust behavior ... That's created a general target." A story in Forbes magazine, which interviewed Assange before the latest leak, said that WikiLeaks has a large U.S. financial corporation in its sights. Assange confirmed that. "Yes, the banks are in there. Many different multinational organizations are in the upcoming weeks, but that is a continuation of what we have been doing for the past four years" since WikiLeaks was founded. He added that the volume of material has increased. "The upcoming bank material is 10,000 documents, as opposed to hundreds, which we have gotten in the other cases."[/quote] Read more: [url]http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2033771,00.html#ixzz16ptanh00[/url] R3mix to Julian Assange: You're a fucking [b]joke[/b] if you think Clinton should resign. Unless there is literally [b]solid evidence[/b] proving these people have committed these acts, I'm sticking by the U.S. Government with this one. I find it [b]EXTREMELY HARD[/b] to believe that these people have committed espionage. What they need to know is confidential because they're dealing with foreign politics, not domestic. Our government is based on a Democratic-Republic, yeah we have say on who gets elected, but we don't necessarily elect our president, that's the electoral college. We elect our officials to do the job we want them to do, and there isn't a need to press the panic button based on a bit of gossip unless there's hard fucking evidence backing it. Hence this wikileaks shit is just starting to make Assange look like an asshole and not someone who's trying to so call "protect our rights." The fact he's telling a woman, who has been working with our government for god knows how long and is the wife of one of the [b]BEST[/b] presidents the USA has ever had to resign is COMPLETELY outrageous. The man wasn't even born in the USA, what the fuck is he doing involving himself in our policies? And just so you know, he's being quite the hypocrite saying she should resign if she's found guilty. You don't see Hillary Clinton in hiding, but you do see Julian Assange in hiding. What the fuck is he hiding for? IF you have nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear. Running from the law only makes you look like a criminal, which he's really starting to show.

Women shouldn't be in politics anyways.

I personally don't like Clinton so he's kinda right.

[quote]"But she should resign if it can be shown that she was responsible for ordering U.S. diplomatic figures to engage in espionage in the United Nations, in violation of the international covenants to which the U.S. has signed up. Yes, she should resign over that."[/quote] Well if it can be shown that she ordered people to break international law she shouldn't just resign but be formally charged.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26422227]Well if it can be shown that she ordered people to break international law she shouldn't just resign but be formally charged.[/QUOTE] The United States has denied that charge completely. Diplomats aren't used for intelligence gathering in anyway according to our government. And personally, I believe it.

[QUOTE=R3mix;26422247]The United States has denied that charge completely. Diplomats aren't used for intelligence gathering in anyway according to our government. And personally, I believe it.[/QUOTE] Are you being sarcastic?

[QUOTE=R3mix;26422247]The United States has denied that charge completely. Diplomats aren't used for intelligence gathering in anyway according to our government. And personally, I believe it.[/QUOTE] They definitely did. Have you read any of the stuff from the leaks?

[QUOTE=R3mix;26422247]The United States has denied that charge completely. Diplomats aren't used for intelligence gathering in anyway according to our government. And personally, I believe it.[/QUOTE] Read the leaks

assange really should stay out of global politics, he's really starting to look like a jackass

[QUOTE=Zeddy;26422330]They definitely did. Have you read any of the stuff from the leaks?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zeke129;26422258]Are you being sarcastic?[/QUOTE] No, I'm not being sarcastic. And seriously, I don't care who leaks this shit. But, I'm not buying into this crap that the people who work in the EMBASSY's for crying out loud and DIPLOMATS are our people who gather intelligence for us. The shit they know is meant to be confidential, and it was leaked illegally. I'm not buying into Assange's crap anymore.

[IMG]http://i51.tinypic.com/wuqa09.png[/IMG] I give you the three feminists of facepuch.

[QUOTE=R3mix;26422390]No, I'm not being sarcastic. And seriously, I don't care who leaks this shit. But, I'm not buying into this crap that the people who work in the EMBASSY's for crying out loud and DIPLOMATS are our people who gather intelligence for us. The shit they know is meant to be confidential, and it was leaked illegally. I'm not buying into Assange's crap anymore.[/QUOTE] Its not crap, its all real. Being diplomats and embassy workers just gives them more potential for espionage. And being those people in now way makes them eschew these acts. And why does what they know need to be confidential? A Democracy is a form of government in which all people of the nation are free to participate freely and equally in their government. They can not carry out this role properly if they do not know what is going on.

I hate this man. All this drama with the leaks is so annoying. Why the fuck do you all care so much!

[QUOTE=R3mix;26422247]The United States has denied that charge completely. Diplomats aren't used for intelligence gathering in anyway according to our government. And personally, I believe it.[/QUOTE] Because if someone denies committing a crime, they are completely trustworthy and should be believed despite any evidence to the contrary :downs:

[QUOTE=Zeddy;26422533]Its not crap, its all real. Being diplomats and embassy workers just gives them more potential for espionage. And being those people in now way makes them eschew these acts. And why does what they know need to be confidential? A Democracy is a form of government in which all people of the nation are free to participate freely and equally in their government. They can not carry out this role properly if they do not know what is going on.[/QUOTE] Unless there is literally [b]solid evidence[/b] proving these people have committed these acts, I'm sticking by the U.S. Government with this one. I find it [b]EXTREMELY HARD[/b] to believe that these people have committed espionage. What they need to know is confidential because they're dealing with foreign politics, not domestic. Our government is based on a Democratic-Republic, yeah we have say on who gets elected, but we don't necessarily elect our president, that's the electoral college. We elect our officials to do the job we want them to do, and there isn't a need to press the panic button based on a bit of gossip unless there's hard fucking evidence backing it. Hence this wikileaks shit is just starting to make Assange look like an asshole and not someone who's trying to so call "protect our rights." The fact he's telling a woman, who has been working with our government for god knows how long and is the wife of one of the [b]BEST[/b] presidents the USA has ever had to resign is COMPLETELY outrageous. The man wasn't even born in the USA, what the fuck is he doing involving himself in our policies? And just so you know, he's being quite the hypocrite saying she should resign if she's found guilty. You don't see Hillary Clinton in hiding, but you do see Julian Assange in hiding. What the fuck is he hiding for? IF you have nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear. Running from the law only makes you look like a criminal, which he's really starting to show.

[QUOTE=Archy;26422370]assange really should stay out of global politics, he's really starting to look like a jackass[/QUOTE] because he's telling the truth? please...........

[QUOTE=Foo King;26422437][img_thumb]http://i51.tinypic.com/wuqa09.png[/img_thumb] I give you the three feminists of facepuch.[/QUOTE] The whole "woman should get back in the kitchen" shtick was old and painfully unfunny before either of us were born.

[QUOTE=Socram;26422535]I hate this man. All this drama with the leaks is so annoying. Why the fuck do you all care so much![/QUOTE] and its people like you who clearly don't deserve an opinion at all. ( no offense ) just because some of us care what the most powerful country in the world does dirty behind our backs doesn't make us bad people you know, its very ignorant and selfish to think people of power can abuse they're position as long as you yourself are alright and out of harms way.

[QUOTE=R3mix;26422590]Unless there is literally [b]solid evidence[/b] proving these people have committed these acts, I'm sticking by the U.S. Government with this one. I find it [b]EXTREMELY HARD[/b] to believe that these people have committed espionage. What they need to know is confidential because they're dealing with foreign politics, not domestic. Our government is based on a Democratic-Republic, yeah we have say on who gets elected, but we don't necessarily elect our president, that's the electoral college. We elect our officials to do the job we want them to do, and there isn't a need to press the panic button based on a bit of gossip unless there's hard fucking evidence backing it. Hence this wikileaks shit is just starting to make Assange look like an asshole and not someone who's trying to so call "protect our rights." The fact he's telling a woman, who has been working with our government for god knows how long and is the wife of one of the [b]BEST[/b] presidents the USA has ever had to resign is COMPLETELY outrageous. The man wasn't even born in the USA, what the fuck is he doing involving himself in our policies? And just so you know, he's being quite the hypocrite saying she should resign if she's found guilty. You don't see Hillary Clinton in hiding, but you do see Julian Assange in hiding. What the fuck is he hiding for? IF you have nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear. Running from the law only makes you look like a criminal, which he's really starting to show.[/QUOTE] The leaks are out for a reason. I mean, Assange's not saying that Clinton's directly responsible, hell, read the quote again: [quote]"But she should resign if it can be shown that she was responsible for ordering U.S. diplomatic figures to engage in espionage in the United Nations, in violation of the international covenants to which the U.S. has signed up. Yes, she should resign over that."[/quote] He's saying that she might be responsible, but not definitely saying she is. And the reason's he hiding is because, I don't know, there's maybe a huge fucking target on his head to silence the leaks? (Which would do nothing anyway since someone would resume command and put out even more info)

[QUOTE=R3mix;26422590]I find it [b]EXTREMELY HARD[/b] to believe that these people have committed espionage.[/QUOTE] Because the U.S. government has [i]NEVER[/i] commited espionage before, right? When you move out from under your rock, call me.

[QUOTE=Source;26422613]and its people like you who clearly don't deserve an opinion at all. ( no offense ) just because some of us care what the most powerful country in the world does dirty behind our backs doesn't make us bad people you know.[/QUOTE] Seriously. What the hell makes you think he's even telling you the truth? He's a bloody criminal. [QUOTE=Elizer;26422616]The leaks are out for a reason. I mean, Assange's not saying that Clinton's directly responsible, hell, read the quote again: He's saying that she might be responsible, but not definitely saying she is. And the reason's he hiding is because, I don't know, there's maybe a huge fucking target on his head to silence the leaks? (Which would do nothing anyway since someone would resume command and put out even more info)[/QUOTE] Then why even comment on the question? There's no reason to even answer it if it's not true or you don't believe it's true. And he's in hiding because the police are after him. [QUOTE=Foo King;26422618]Because the U.S. government has [i]NEVER[/i] commited espionage before, right? When you move out from under your rock, call me.[/QUOTE] You're an idiot. I'm not saying they haven't, but I'm definatly not trusting someone who comes out of the blue claiming to have the answers to everything and then answers a question which isn't even true.

[QUOTE=Socram;26422535]I hate this man. All this drama with the leaks is so annoying. Why the fuck do you all care so much![/QUOTE] I haven't created any drama, and I think there has been a lot of hype recently, but I still support Wikileaks entirely. I do have to say that it seems Assange has begun focusing more on attacking the U.S. than anything. I wholly support Wikileaks, but Assange is losing my favor. Still, I agree with him about this.

I'm not really taking sides on this thing yet. I'll just wait and see what happens next.

[QUOTE=R3mix;26422590]Unless there is literally [b]solid evidence[/b] proving these people have committed these acts, I'm sticking by the U.S. Government with this one. I find it [b]EXTREMELY HARD[/b] to believe that these people have committed espionage. What they need to know is confidential because they're dealing with foreign politics, not domestic. Our government is based on a Democratic-Republic, yeah we have say on who gets elected, but we don't necessarily elect our president, that's the electoral college. We elect our officials to do the job we want them to do, and there isn't a need to press the panic button based on a bit of gossip unless there's hard fucking evidence backing it. Hence this wikileaks shit is just starting to make Assange look like an asshole and not someone who's trying to so call "protect our rights." The fact he's telling a woman, who has been working with our government for god knows how long and is the wife of one of the [b]BEST[/b] presidents the USA has ever had to resign is COMPLETELY outrageous. The man wasn't even born in the USA, what the fuck is he doing involving himself in our policies? And just so you know, he's being quite the hypocrite saying she should resign if she's found guilty. You don't see Hillary Clinton in hiding, but you do see Julian Assange in hiding. What the fuck is he hiding for? IF you have nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear. Running from the law only makes you look like a criminal, which he's really starting to show.[/QUOTE] [B]Calm the fuck down.[/B] Some advice: acting all pissy and explosive while delivering your "argument" does not make it any more valid or believable.

[QUOTE=starpluck;26422674][B]Calm the fuck down.[/B] Some advice: acting all pissy and explosive while delivering your "argument" does not make it any more valid or believable.[/QUOTE] Exploding would be me typing in full capslock and pissy would be me insulting and flaming others while takin the piss out on them. Not exactly what I'm doing. I'm stating my point and my view.

Spying on UN? Yeah, she should totally resign.

[QUOTE=R3mix;26422704]Exploding would be me typing in full capslock and pissy would be me insulting and flaming others while takin the piss out on them. Not exactly what I'm doing. I'm stating my point and my view.[/QUOTE] And you're making an utter jackass out of yourself while doing it.

[QUOTE=Foo King;26422437][img_thumb]http://i51.tinypic.com/wuqa09.png[/img_thumb] I give you the three feminists of facepuch.[/QUOTE] if you think misogyny is ok you're a damn child

[QUOTE=R3mix;26422704]Exploding would be me typing in full capslock and pissy would be me insulting and flaming others while takin the piss out on them. Not exactly what I'm doing. I'm stating my point and my view.[/QUOTE] OH YEAH LIKE IT FUCKING TAKES CAPSLOCK TO APPEAR PISSY [img_thumb]a[/img_thumb]

[QUOTE=Socram;26422535]I hate this man. All this drama with the leaks is so annoying. Why the fuck do you all care so much![/QUOTE] They feel the need to "Fight the power!", when there is nothing noteworthy in these leaks, and there never has been.