Man Holds Hotel Get-Together Of 11 Hostage, Rapes Four Of The Hostages, Gets One Hostage Killed By C - Polidicks

[IMG]http://guardianlv.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Minnesota-Man-Sentenced-to-36-Years-after-Raping-4-Girls-at-Gunpoint-2.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Demetrius Ballinger was sentenced to 36 years in prison after raping four teenage girls and holding 11 people hostage at gunpoint. The 26-year-old man’s actions also caused the police to kill one of the hostages while [the hostage] was attempting to escape a motel room in Minnesota. Ballinger was at a party in a room at the Red Roof Inn with six kids and five adults when he pulled out a fire arm and threatened to kill everyone in the room if they didn’t turn over their cash and phones. As one of the females was throwing her phone on the floor she dialed 911; which alerted the police to the incident. Once the police arrived, one of the hostages attempted to run and Ballinger began shooting at him. Officers heard shots as the door opened and responded by firing back. At the time they didn’t know that this was one of the hostages and the 19-year-old victim, Mark Henderson, died at the hospital. One of his rape victims was only 15 and the other three were 16. As a result of this heinous act these young ladies no longer want to leave the comfort of their homes for fear that Ballinger will escape prison, find and harm them. The prosecutors got the exact sentence they requested. Initially Ballinger was charged with 27 counts but pleaded guilty to five felonies which included four counts of rape and attempted murder. The plea agreement allowed the other 22 felonies to be dismissed. After 24 years, if Ballinger has good behavior, he will be eligible for release.[/QUOTE] [url]http://guardianlv.com/2013/10/man-sentenced-to-36-years-after-raping-4-girls-at-gunpoint-video/[/url]

Title makes it sound as if 36 years wasn't a long time.

Yeah, 24 years before he can even hope to be out on parole, that's for fucking ever. His life might as well be over.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42449025]Title makes it sound as if 36 years wasn't a long time.[/QUOTE] For the US, 36 years for 4 cases of rape(of minors, mind you), a case of attempted murder and taking hostages? That is minimal at best. He may get as low as 24 years if he has good behavior.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42449025]Title makes it sound as if 36 years wasn't a long time.[/QUOTE] for four counts of rape (of minors) and one of homicide, not to mention the burglary and hostage-taking, it is a pretty short time considering how often large sentences are given out for less heinous instances [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] in actuality it is a long time, but in practice, (as compared to previous sentences around the nation) it is very minimal

[QUOTE]The plea agreement allowed the other 22 felonies to be dismissed.[/QUOTE] Thats a hell of an agreement.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;42449101]Thats a hell of an agreement.[/QUOTE] Saves a lot of time going through courts though, they go there give him his sentence and it is over pretty much. He still gets 5 felonies though.

At earliest, he's spent almost half of his life in prison by the time he's released. This whole story is super sad for everyone involved.

[QUOTE=c:;42449336]At earliest, he's spent almost half of his life in prison by the time he's released. This whole story is super sad for everyone involved.[/QUOTE] i frankly dont feel sorry or feel the situation is sad for the individual who raped 4 young women, got an innocent man killed, and emotionally scarred the other hostages who were forced at gunpoint to watch these girls get sexually assaulted

What a dick!

[QUOTE=Savyetski79;42449434]What a dick![/QUOTE] You're late, peanut gallery. [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] What's more, that was terrible.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;42449369]i frankly dont feel sorry or feel the situation is sad for the individual who raped 4 young women, got an innocent man killed, and emotionally scarred the other hostages who were forced at gunpoint to watch these girls get sexually assaulted[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve to serve that sentence (I definitely agree he does), but could you imagine being 26 years old and knowing that you'll be spending another lifetime in prison? It's horrible.

[QUOTE=c:;42449466]I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve to serve that sentence (I definitely agree he does), but could you imagine being 26 years old and knowing that you'll be spending another lifetime in prison? It's horrible.[/QUOTE] Well he should of thought about that before committing the crime

[QUOTE=c:;42449466]I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve to serve that sentence (I definitely agree he does), but could you imagine being 26 years old and knowing that you'll be spending another lifetime in prison? It's horrible.[/QUOTE] could you imagine being 19 and held at gunpoint before being fatally shot by the officers you hoped would save you? could you imagine being 16 and being brutally raped before, or perhaps after, watching three other women of the same age being sexually assaulted as well? i do not hold the slightest bit of empathy for this individual serving the sentence he was given; it is neither exceptionally cruel, nor unjust considering the severity of his crimes

[QUOTE=Loriborn;42449369]i frankly dont feel sorry or feel the situation is sad for the individual who raped 4 young women, got an innocent man killed, and emotionally scarred the other hostages who were forced at gunpoint to watch these girls get sexually assaulted[/QUOTE] He's still a human being who will be spending at least half of his life in prison. That's sad no matter what.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;42449077]for four counts of rape (of minors) and one of homicide, not to mention the burglary and hostage-taking, it is a pretty short time considering how often large sentences are given out for less heinous instances [editline]7th October 2013[/editline] in actuality it is a long time, but in practice, (as compared to previous sentences around the nation) it is very minimal[/QUOTE] That's one of the rather sad parts of plea bargaining, outside of innocent people being bullied into accepting a plea when they're innocent. The felony-murder and each count of rape could have warranted sentences of up to 30 years a piece, in some states. [QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;42449518]He's still a human being who will be spending at least half of his life in prison. That's sad no matter what.[/QUOTE] That's very humane of you. I'd be less saddened by his imprisonment than most of the alternatives available under the current system, though.

[QUOTE=c:;42449466]I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve to serve that sentence (I definitely agree he does), but could you imagine being 26 years old and knowing that you'll be spending another lifetime in prison? It's horrible.[/QUOTE] But you do seem to be sympathising with a rapist. [QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;42449518]He's still a human being who will be spending at least half of his life in prison. That's sad no matter what.[/QUOTE] you too

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;42449518]He's still a human being who will be spending at least half of his life in prison. That's sad no matter what.[/QUOTE] while i believe a human life has value, i do also believe that empathy and sympathy are not guaranteed simply because a human being is involved the individual committed multiple crimes that resulted in the death of one and the rape of four, and he is serving a proportionate sentence in prison for said crimes that is not a sad thing, as the consequences of his decisions were obvious to him before he committed the crimes

-automerge fail-

One benefit of a plea bargain in a case like this is it removes the need for the victims to have to testify. Considering there were kids there, and teen girls raped, it's probably best for the victims not to have to relive this in court- in public. To get him to plead guilty though you need to offer him something. Now he has the hope that "Hey, I could be out by the time I'm 50!" The reality though is it's far more likely he'll commit offenses in prison, and thereby EXTEND his time and not reduce it. A guy his age, pulling a crime spree like this, doesn't sound to me like the sort of guy who is going to behave in prison.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42449778]The liberals are going to flip shit, but this is why we need to keep the death penalty. [editline]7 October 2013[/editline] woo, 3000th post.[/QUOTE] The reality is the death penalty is needed, until you've been the victim of something like this or have had someone close to you suffer something equal as the perpetrator here, you'll always have a sugar coated view of human life being deemed worthy of salvation from the death penalty. You should only have human rights until you've taken them from someone else.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42449778]The liberals are going to flip shit, but this is why we need to keep the death penalty. [/QUOTE] he didn't even get life he wouldn't get the death penalty anyway

[QUOTE=Butthurter;42449873]id like to see you try and hold a firm grip on this belief if you found a person very close to you does some fucked up shit lol[/QUOTE] If my father, brother, sister etc did something as horrific as the criminal in the news article I would be fucking mortified that we share the same blood. Even at my worst if I was emotionally compromised, I wouldn't agree with it but I'd understand it.

[QUOTE=Captain James;42449831]The reality is the death penalty is needed, until you've been the victim of something like this or have had someone close to you suffer something equal as the perpetrator here, you'll always have a sugar coated view of human life being deemed worthy of salvation from the death penalty. You should only have human rights until you've taken them from someone else.[/QUOTE] because law should be based on revenge fantasies of victims you know what, you're probably right, I would want them executed. Me wanting that doesn't mean shit. The law isn't there to appease my emotional state at a low point.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42449846]He who does not respect life does not deserve it. Most people here try and take the moral high ground, but if you talk with a rape victim or someone whose son or sister or whomever was murdered for five minutes, you'll understand.[/QUOTE] the problem with the death penalty, besides the obvious ethical problems attributed to it, is the arbitrary decision making process of the actual punishment i do not trust anyone, judge or jury, to decide who gets to live, and who gets to die, and the danger associated with allowing that sort of freedom to legally fall into the hands of people vastly outweighs the pros of killing a rapist or murderer while the death penalty satisfies the blood/revenge lust for some victims and some family, the judicial system is not founded on a principal of vengeance; while rehabilitation may not be possible in this situation, (because of the criminal and the current state of the penal system) killing him does nothing more than fulfill a desire for revenge, whilst costing a significantly larger sum than life in prison, and frankly, the justice system is not based on appeasing the victim's emotional desires not to mention the slippery slope of allowing a society to sentence individuals to death while the man obviously committed monstrous crimes, and deserves his sentence, the death penalty does not aid the situation more than it damages it

I feel sorry for the victims because of the atrocities committed against them. I feel sorry for the perpetrator because it sounds like he has some incredibly complex and serious mental problems. It's simply incredibly unfortunate for all parties involved. The best situation for everyone would have been for him to have gotten the help he needed prior to the crimes committed.

How on earth did he manage to hold all those people in one place at gunpoint AND rape four girls?! Just try and imagine the logistics of that in your head, it's bizarre. It's actually really disturbing because it likely means he raped those poor girls right in front of everyone else in the room, forbidding them from helping by keeping the gun trained on them as he did it. That's just so fucked up.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42450044]The law is a tool for promoting justice. This is not justice. The objective here should be returning the victims lives to what they were before, or at least close as possible to it. Three girls living in fear day after day is not justice, and if you believe it is then you're a rather ignorant individual.[/QUOTE] except technically speaking the job of the state in this situation with that charge isn't to return the victims lives to where they were before, it is to provide a fair trial to the suspect

that has nothing to do with the concept of justice it's something else entirely

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;42450044]The law is a tool for promoting justice. This is not justice.[/QUOTE] justice is giving a perpetrator a proportionate punishment to the crimes he committed whilst giving said perpetrator the ability to better themselves, make amends for their actions, and after serving their sentence, reentering society as a healthy and productive individual while this may not happen due to the poor US penal system, the purpose of justice is not to make the victims feel better about the incident; the man committed heinous crimes, and is serving his (relatively fair) sentence, and that is as close to justice as the US judicial system can get in its current state while i sympathize with the victims, and have clearly shown in previous posts my attitude towards the criminal, justice is in no way based around revenge or appeasing the emotional demands of the victims