• Snooper’s Charter just got passed
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[QUOTE]After more than 12 months of debate, jostling and a healthy dose of criticism, the United Kingdom's new surveillance regime is set to become law. Both the House of Lords and House of Commons have now passed the Investigatory Powers Bill – the biggest overhaul of surveillance powers for more than a decade. Now the bill has been passed by both of these official bodies, it is almost law. Before it officially is adopted, however, it will need to receive Royal Assent, which is likely to be given before the end of 2016 (to match the government's intentions and ahead of existing surveillance laws expiring). [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.wired.co.uk/article/ip-bill-law-details-passed[/URL] [URL]http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/17/snoopers-charter-just-got-passed-so-government-can-spy-on-your-internet-use-6264411/[/URL] [URL]http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2016/11/the-snoopers-charter-just-became-law-and-now-the-government-can-spy-on-your-internet-activities/[/URL] can't find BBC or other main news media reporting it [B][I]FUUCK[/I][/B]
Misread as Snoopy's Charter, was subsequently disappointed. So it passed but hasn't been enacted yet. Is Royal Assent ever denied or is it just a formality?
[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;51386726]Misread as Snoopy's Charter, was subsequently disappointed. So it passed but hasn't been enacted yet. Is Royal Assent ever denied or is it just a formality?[/QUOTE] Formality.
Thanks Brexit, thanks so much. :unimpressed:
Fuck Theresa May
Wait so how bad is this compared to the US surveillance system?
[QUOTE=nerdster409;51386841]Wait so how bad is this compared to the US surveillance system?[/QUOTE] Actually fucking worse, There were things the NSA wouldn't even touch because they considered it "Too useless and infringing". Those things are in the Snooper's Charter.
[QUOTE=nerdster409;51386841]Wait so how bad is this compared to the US surveillance system?[/QUOTE] Read the Wired article.
This is bad, I almost wish Snowden hadn't come out with his revelations.
[QUOTE=nerdster409;51386841]Wait so how bad is this compared to the US surveillance system?[/QUOTE] Info's in the wired article. You can fly over the bolded headlines and their introductory system to get a quick grasp on the thing. The pattern I saw that it's a lot of easily accessible bulk data. Casting some big nets here with little concern for the privacy of innocents.
[QUOTE=jonu67;51386780]Thanks Brexit, thanks so much. :unimpressed:[/QUOTE] This was always going to happen long before Brexit. Honestly, I read about 3/4 through the legislation that was published about 8 months ago or so (guess it was a first-reading draft?), and it actually didn't seem that bad. The problems I had with it were the ambiguity about who was granting what information, and how feasible processing all this information is going to be. I imagine it's going to be used for targeting those individuals who would be targeted for criminality or national security risks anyway, and this just grants authorities more room to manoeuvre instead of being bogged down in red tape. Really, it's a case of if you're doing nothing wrong, this won't affect you. It'll just help the authorities filter the bad people out a lot easier.
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;51386890] Really, it's a case of if you're doing nothing wrong, this won't affect you. It'll just help the authorities filter the bad people out a lot easier.[/QUOTE] That's the same guise that they used for the Patriot Act. Not attempting to imply the legislation is worse, but I think this will no doubt end up used against innocents more often then not.
Black Mirror is quickly becoming reality in the UK
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;51386890]This was always going to happen long before Brexit. Honestly, I read about 3/4 through the legislation that was published about 8 months ago or so (guess it was a first-reading draft?), and it actually didn't seem that bad. The problems I had with it were the ambiguity about who was granting what information, and how feasible processing all this information is going to be. I imagine it's going to be used for targeting those individuals who would be targeted for criminality or national security risks anyway, and this just grants authorities more room to manoeuvre instead of being bogged down in red tape. Really, it's a case of if you're doing nothing wrong, this won't affect you. It'll just help the authorities filter the bad people out a lot easier.[/QUOTE] wanting to keep parts of your life private doesn't mean you are doing anything wrong. powerful mass surveilance tools don't work.
[QUOTE=jonu67;51386780]Thanks Brexit, thanks so much. :unimpressed:[/QUOTE] This was on the table when the Liberal Democrats had some sort of say in Parliament, now the the Conservatives are in total control near enough they got it through. It's not a Brexit thing entirely.
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;51386890] Really, it's a case of if you're doing nothing wrong, this won't affect you. It'll just help the authorities filter the bad people out a lot easier.[/QUOTE] With the 12 months worth of data internet providers will now need to store for each customer, I can imagine the price of broadband will go up.
I wonder if all that VPN, TOR stuff ties into this?
Hate this country so much.
[QUOTE=Crumpet;51387038]wanting to keep parts of your life private doesn't mean you are doing anything wrong. powerful mass surveilance tools don't work.[/QUOTE] I don't see there ever being the infrastructure capable of storing every person's data, or having enough staff required to sift through it in great detail. I'd say it would be an invasion of privacy if there were tangible ways to make use of this Act in full, but I don't think there are.
I offer sympathy to the UK facepunchers. Is this really the norm for western governments now? I knew the average joe didn't care that much, but...
[QUOTE=Lyonidis;51387284]I offer sympathy to the UK facepunchers. Is this really the norm for western governments now? I knew the average joe didn't care that much, but...[/QUOTE] For Five Eyes nations sure, anything to "stop the terrorists." not knowing that the most deadly kind of attack is Lone Wolf attacks or when they just communicate via untraceable means or by letter or face-to-face where old fashioned surveillance is the only way.
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;51386890] Really, it's a case of if you're doing nothing wrong, this won't affect you. It'll just help the authorities filter the bad people out a lot easier.[/QUOTE] How are people still this naive
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;51387124]I wonder if all that VPN, TOR stuff ties into this?[/QUOTE] Care to elaborate?
Don't really care to be honest
I can't say I'm very bothered about this, I mean I've always gone on the assumption anything you put on the internet isn't private, and regardless of whatever 'powers' they're given they still can't crack good encryption, it might stop a few dumb terrorists or criminals if they're lucky but anyone smart enough can avoid being detected. We've never really had much in the way of privacy in any case, every major street has a CCTV camera which in my opinion is more invasive than this bill, they'd probably continue doing it as they have been for years even if it didn't pass.
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51387413]How are people still this naive[/QUOTE] I know what you're trying to say, but I doubt CMB does. Coming across as passive-aggressive doesn't make any constructive argument toward helping get your opinion on the matter across to him. Also, what the hell is up with the UK's government... do the people have like zero say there or something? I mean, Brexit was voted on, but everything else seems to be widely hated and passed anyway. (Yes I know Brexit is no longer "popular")
[QUOTE=Robman8908;51387676]I know what you're trying to say, but I doubt CMB does. Coming across as passive-aggressive doesn't make any constructive argument toward helping get your opinion on the matter across to him. Also, what the hell is up with the UK's government... do the people have like zero say there or something? I mean, Brexit was voted on, but everything else seems to be widely hated and passed anyway.[/QUOTE] You mean 'widely hated by extremely left-wing British Facepunchers' Normal people don't care about Internet surveillance, like, at all.
It's not a big deal.
Fuck this country so much.
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51387413]How are people still this naive[/QUOTE] Have you actually read the legislation?
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